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A lot of players are waiting for a reay good RvR MMO. And lots of games got hyped because they said to make a game with a very good RvR part. But time after time the developers make the same misstakes over and over again and the games fail in being a good RVR game.
The main mistake: Dont try to make a MMO for all MMORPG players.
You have 3 types of MMORPG(maybe more); PVE MMORPG, RvR MMORPG, PVP MMORPG.
They are all called MMORPG, but they are completly different from eachother. Trying to make a game that has more then one of the types will always fail!
A PVE MMORPG is about growing stronger; leveling, getting better gear etc.. and because of that you can do harder dungeons and kill harder bosses, who again drop better gear. So a never ending loop and a game that always need to expand.
Classes in a PVE MMORPG are designed to level solo or/and to do dungeons in a group. So you need classes that do enough damage but also fulfill a role like healer or tank etc..
A PVP MMORPG is about doing solo PVP in a PVE world (ganking) or in an instance/arena setup(e-sport) where you are spread out to far to help eachother.
Classes in a PVP MMORPG need to be balanced, each class have to do all roles at the same time.
A RvR MMORPG is about group vs group fights in an open world and about conquering more land(resources) and castles.
Classes in a RVR MMORG are designed to do a special role inside of a group. So its more of a teamsport.
If you try to combine a PVE game with a RVR game you will have some roles, like the tank and the healer, to be to powerfull.
A healer or a tank in a RVR game arent damage dealers. But in a PVE game people want to be able to farm solo. If a class does to less damage they will complain because they farm slower then other classes.
If you make a RvR game where people will become stronger (by leveling, getting better stats, getting better gear or extra abilities they get each each level) there will be a gap between a gap between players that play the game for years and a new player. A gap between alts you just created and a player that plays the game for year.
The gap will become so big that new players/alts will become insta kills for the players that play the game for years. Or these players have a to much of a disadvantage. Making the game not fun for new players, or alts useless. It will turn into groups only looking for players of a certain level.
The winner of a group vs group battle(or teamsport) should be about teamwork, tactic, skill and some luck. Not about who has the best gear, stats or highest level.
Because RvR is a group based game with classes/roles that are needed, you want people to create/get on a different classes when needed without having to level one up first.
Its a shame Camelot Unchained started good with only wanting to make a RvR MORPG with PVE, but still ended to fell into the usual trap(s .. will probably become more)
Other mistakes that developers trying to make a RVR MMORPG usualy makes (so also probably Camelot Unchained) are :
Goals: a good individuel goal, team goal and realm goal.(A RVR goal: so not leveling, but rankings and personal goals(next to ranking) like for example skills like siege master that has a bar with points from -100 to 100 starting at 0. With on one side(- points) defence siege weapons(like ballista,defence walls, magic shield bubble devices etc) and ond the other side(+points) offensive siege(like trebs, bombs, catapults etc..) . If you use/build offesive siege well you get points, if you use/create defence sieges well you get – points. If you use offensive siege badly you get – points etc. And it will always slowly run to 0 if you dont use it for a long time. But next to skills like siegemaster/tracker/trapper etc.. you could also make skills like Swordmaster.. where you can use more/better skills when you raise(kill people -> getting killed/use other weapons/or not kill anything like x minutes is you loose points). But how higher Swordmaster you get Armor/shieldmaster, Axemaster, Hammermaster,BowMaster (and other weapons) will drop.
Combat: interactive and fun -> bots shouldnt be able to play the game(no button smashing)
So melee combat reaction, position and armor type based with a good balance between defence and offence. So like ability you can only use after a block. Or an attack you can only do if you behind someone. Or a type of weapon works better against type x of armor.
Where you can go in a defence mode where you will block/parry/dodge.. chance will raise but you cant do any attacks or run(only turn around -> shieldblock only works for attackers attacking you from infront of you). And the damage you do is determined also by holding in the ability button longer (interrupteble and with cap). Archers most powerfull abilities need to choose a shooting angle and how far (holding button) to shoot arrow(s).. ofcourse with a few seconds minium seconds you need to aim(hold the button). Magic most powerfull abilities need to be created. A mark only the counter class(magic portecter/healer etc) can see, will be shown above the caster and can be disrupted or changed(by mana bolts-> no damage). Or can be blocked by defence spells(shields etc) Spells are created by sending different kind and amounts of mana into the spell.
So instead of fights where people chasing after eachother(offence classes chasing/attacking the healer/caster classes) more a fight where defenders actuely can potect the weaker classes so they dont have to kite all the time. So with block//push backs/CC etc.. So a fight where casters and range are protected by tanks and magic protecters. Melee attackers (and their close combat support) trying to get passed the defenders. And assasins fighting a seperete war in a 2nd dimension (shadow world) to get free access to jump on the wounded targets.
Balance: between range and close combat damage, classes(not balance in 1vs1 fights, but in usefullness in all types of combat(open field/siege)), defence and damage abilities etc..
Population advantage: Best 24 hour coverage or larger population shouldnt mean a certain win. There should be enough tactics/ways for a smaller force to have a chance to win. And the game should be designed so the population advantage is as small as possible, so realms dont end up in blobbing up in one big army that can beat all. Or servers mass recruiting to have biggest 24 hour coverage.
Sieges(attack and defence): shouldnt be booring, and should be a main part of the game. So siege weapons should be fun(not pressing button x every few seconds: but for example a treb where one person need to aim, another one (or more) determine how far the rock will fly, not releasing at the same time will end up in firing in the wrond direction.While the rest of the group defend the treb. Or a battle ram operated by a whole group where actions need to be synchronised as good as possible to do most damage to the gate -> using a siege should be a group activity).
And battles(small battle/scrimmages) should happen all around/in the keep. Instead of one force standing infront of a gate trying to break the door down and another force standing on the walls above the gate trying to shoot them down.
Taking a keep should take a long time and different groups (atleast 1 hour) with lots of objectives you need to take(with different ways to take it) and hold.
Classes: designed to do one role (so not make a class that is better in the same role or can do different roles as good as a class that can only do 1 role) but also fun (not healer wack the moll kinda style: but a healer that has lots of magic protection/heals/cures for all kinda type of attacks, or a buffer that can also debuff and need to choose between the right kinda debuffs or protection buffs during the fight)
Roles: designed to be all usefull and fun without getting to overpowered. So for example a class with an assasin role should be able to finish off a weak/wounded target in a sneaky way but should never become a very powerfull in burst melee damage class who also can stealth.
Abilities: designed for small and large scale combat, so you cant get killed without able to do anything. So for example a shield for x seconds instead of a shield that blocks x damage.
And for each attack/CC(/and even defence) ability should be a defence or counter ability, so there is a good balance between offence and defence and makes the game interactive.
Groups: To avoind making a large blob vs blob(that usualy ends in the tactic having a bigger blob) you want to create a game around groups. So group abilities should be a for group only. The groups shouldnt be to big but also not to small, so you can chose between different kinda good group setups. But groups running together should get disadvantages like a speed debuff. Or being together at a siege should get some kinda disadvantage, so they cant insta kill people because 100 casters target the same target. Like 2 groups attacking same target is abilities failing. Or doing only halve the damage. Or groups can hit also friendly groups by mistake (AOE) if they are to close.
Map design: Maps should be big enough/designed so that 2 groups can move passed eachother without they even noticing the enemy group(hills / trees) and scouts(role) are needed. With large keeps/citys where you can also fight inside and far enough from eachother so you cant treb eachother from one keep to the neigbour keep..(trebs should get a very large distance so you need to send a group out of the keep (secret passage) to go destroy it.
Hmm post got a bit big. Sorry
But i am still hoping a company will finaly make a good RvR game before i die or to be to old to play compter games. Its not so hard as long you keep in mind what problems will have each design desission.(like making blobbing up(zerging) the best tactic will end up in the same group with most people always winning and the usual big masses problems (like lag) will happen. Or growing stronger over time, will make the game for starters not fun and to hard to play.)
And sorry for the bad english.