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Did anyone really believe that SOE could produce a decent mmorpg?
So let them make EQnext for the PS4, they can do one development run on it and let it be, rather than make a mmorpg that everyones going to bitch and moan about in a month and force them to spend years trying to fix it, resulting still in a dead game after all that time and effort is put forth.
Ill be honest, its amazing after the last few years that any company would spend big money making a mmorpg. mmorpg gamers dont know what the hell they want. They want something different and when they get it they shun it for being different. They all flock to the same games that are recycled and then hate them a month later. So make a game that sells a few hundred thousand or a million on launch and then suck away money and resources over the next 5 years trying to save the game? Or just pump out one version on PS4 and move on? Both will probably sell the same tbh, only the PS4 people will buy it and move on as will their developers...end of story...cheaper to make and less permanant flak from the pc community.
Im sure there will be a PC version though.
Originally posted by Crunchy222 Who cares? Did anyone really believe that SOE could produce a decent mmorpg? So let them make EQnext for the PS4, they can do one development run on it and let it be, rather than make a mmorpg that everyones going to bitch and moan about in a month and force them to spend years trying to fix it, resulting still in a dead game after all that time and effort is put forth. Ill be honest, its amazing after the last few years that any company would spend big money making a mmorpg. mmorpg gamers dont know what the hell they want. They want something different and when they get it they shun it for being different. They all flock to the same games that are recycled and then hate them a month later. So make a game that sells a few hundred thousand or a million on launch and then suck away money and resources over the next 5 years trying to save the game? Or just pump out one version on PS4 and move on? Both will probably sell the same tbh, only the PS4 people will buy it and move on as will their developers...end of story...cheaper to make and less permanant flak from the pc community. Im sure there will be a PC version though.
I do not care if there will be a PS4 version and there is a PC version as well, but thread implies it will be console only.
SOE can make decent MMORPGs at launch, but then they lose the plot! If any MMO they do they get right, it will be Everquest
EQnext is one MMO that I have my eye on, but if it goes PS4 only then I may not get to play it, as although I am a keen console gamer right now, I do not particulalry like the direction the consoles are heading, and I am starting to like PCs more again now for gaming so I may not get a PS4 at all.
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Originally posted by Torvaldr Originally posted by xpowderx Originally posted by Onomas Dont believe it. MMORPGS on a console? Perhaps for both, but highly doubt they will just piss away the millions of pc gamers so they can target PS4 people.
I can believe it. Sony sold 77 million PS3s just in January. I or you dont have to believe it. I trust my friend that works directly with Sony. He has always been on point in our relationship over the past 5 years. Besides, mmorpgs on a console why not.? My PS3 already uses my wireless keyboard and mouse from this pc when I want to use. PS4 is a completely different beast.So I would imagine the same compatabilities will apply with it. Should make EQ Next hack proof. Which is nice!
Perhaps Sony is doing it to make sure its player base doesnt get hacked into like we saw in the past. Makes sense to me.
LOL! NO! As of January they have sold 77M PS3 consoles total. Console games tend to sell better than individual PC title though because the platform is focused. MMO console games have historically been a big flop because they aren't conducive to the various forms of input, controls, and chat. Hoever, we'll see what PS4 and the nextgen Xbox bring to the table. They aren't an entirely different beast though.
Given that you can't get your facts straight I have no confidence in how you interpreted whatever your "SoE friend" told you. If you would have claimed it's coming to the PS4, then I would believe that. But you're out to lunch if you think they're going to abandon their core market. SoE is supported by their PC gamers. They couldn't take that revenue hit and keep going. Do you actually think that the 77M PS3 users, which may or may not buy the non-compatible PS4, are MMO players? I doubt even 10% play mmos. If that was the case Everquest Adventures for the console would have rocked the WoW numbers.
Nope, sorry. You're way off on this one.
MMO's on consoles have been great , in fact if this happens it's about b****y time , if you ask me. What's with this aren't conductive to the various forms of input , controls and chat ? Maybe you need a history lesson in console MMORPG gaming ? Let me know if you need one.
Anyways maybe they want to take away some of M$ sales with their exclusive rights to sell Destiny before it comes on PS3 and PS4 it would make sense. It is a bit strange though as they cancelled the Agency ( which I was going to by a PS3 for ) so not sure why this big turn around.
I still think it will come out on the PC too , but maybe on PS4 first ? Who knows , I'm just glad devs are starting to realise MMO's have been and are great on consoles. They have been ofcourse a bit expensive to patch because of various stupid charges for each , but with Dust not been charged per patch on PS3 , maybe they are all ( M$ , Sony and Nintendo ) going to relax that overlooking at what a patch does charge.
I also dont believe another posters statement about the hardware getting outdated quickly , most MMO's are designed on old technology because they take so long to make and if this EQNext comes out at the end of this year for the PS4 then that would be really early in it's life cycle , it would be perfect. usually MMOS on consoles prolong the consolse life cycle , look at PSO on DC and GC , also look at PSU on the PS2 , both those games helped all those 3 consoles to survive long after their intended life cycles.
Go for it SOE!
if it's indeed true
PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing."SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13The original propoganda pixie dust villain :
I don't put any credibility in what the OP says, but the idea dosen't seem alien to me.
EQ3 having, say, a 6 month exclusivity on a new Sony console makes sense and the success of something like Skyrim shows that there is an appetite for Western RPGs amongst the console playerbase.
We shall see, it's most likely just a rumour, but the idea isn't crazy. I won't be buying a console at all this generation personally though, I am very much done with them.
I have a friend who works for Sony and he said that they didn't show the PS4 because it's not a console but a washing machine.
Developers of EQ1 and EQ2 don't know much about EQ Next but enough that we already know it's a PC title.
Originally posted by BadOrb
Yes, I suppose if developing for console everyone who has same console has same hardware, where when developing for PC they have to cosider making it compatible with older PC hardware.
The other thing I forgot to mention was why I used to like console gaming over PC was that console were better on a large screen TV vs a smaller monitor, with some game playing better with controller, but now that mty latest PC can connect to the same HD TV as my Xbox 360 and use the 360 controller for Windows, playing games on PC is like playing games on a Xbox 360 but with much better performance, practically makiing consoles obsolete
PCs are more versatile at the end of the day, and can do much more than consoles, and can do everything a console can these days too. Tablet PCs are getting better and better too, meaning more portable gaming.
PSO on DC/GC and PSU on PS2 did not prolong the life as they all shut down anyway when the next one released, and PSU on PS2 shut down ages ago. EQOA kept the PS2 going longer. PSO 2 is not even on console now, it is PC and mobile devices
It will be great though if it is on PS4 and PC, but will suck if it is PS4 only. Although when DCUO released on PS3 and PC, the controls for the PC version are horrible. PSO/PSU was also more suited for console than PC. FF XI is better on PC than console. EQOA was a unique game for the PS2, and was not tied in with the PC versions.
Originally posted by xpowderx Was talking to a friend of mine who works for SOE near Tacoma Washington. He told me about a game many mmorpg players are anticipating. I also got my answer as to why SOE has been silent on the subject. This pertains to EQ Next. The new Everquest. First let me say its not coming out on PC for at least a while. It is however coming out with Sonys new PS4. There will be a barrage of commercials starting in October with that game headlining the new PS4. So now we know the silence towards the MMORPG PC community. It seems that SOE is going console. Whats your opinion of this? By the way, the PS4 specs are pretty uber even to some PCs. That said, I see a trend developing in the mmorpg industry. More and more games are coming out either crossplatform or strictly console.
Until China lifts it's semi-ban on video game consoles, developing games that include the PC demographic is extremely important. Knowingly leaving out the biggest gaming market on the entire planet is moronic, and that market is relegated to *mostly PC at the moment. You can't legally buy a PS3 or Xbox in China, and while that may change soon, right now all those millions and millions of Chinese gamers are largely stuck with PC.
*there are some people playing consoles in China via black/grey markets
Originally posted by superniceguy Originally posted by BadOrb
Yeah I use my laptop connected to my TV with a 360 controller for SWTOR ( 40 abilites available via it ). Yeah I agree maybe I won't need a next gen console , as i am doing the same thing with my laptop , still I wan't Destiny but I could just play it on the 360 and not the next gen xbox , we shall see.
PSO and PSU did prolong the life of the consoles as far as people buying them when everyone else was waiting for the next gen console to come out and yeah I was going to mention EQOA I played for a while , it was a shame the hackers messed things up. I for one bought many pstoo's and DC just for the two games. PSO2 on PC indeed , why do you think I got a new laptop ? No not just for SWTOR but mainly for PSO2 , in fact just before PSU shut down there were rumours that they were only going to only update the PC version , so I was going to get a new PC back in the day then they announced an event and 3 days later said "BTW we are shutting down PSU on PC and PS2" , yeah thanks SEGA!
If I had known about DCUO i might have bought a PS3 for it but I found out a bit later and they cancelled The Agency ( was been made by the makers of EQOA don't you know ). I was too late in trying FF XI , plus with all theHD for PS2 been ditched for internet connectivity and the like then yeah never got to play it. Yup I know EQOA was totally different from it's PC EQ brother. Did you read my sig below ? I am a vetran console MMO gamer and now a pc MMO gamer.
Originally posted by xpowderx I trust my friend that works directly with Sony. He has always been on point in our relationship over the past 5 years.
Your friend that 'works directly with Sony' is misinformed. Will SOE be bringing stuff to console? Yes. Will they go console only? No.
"Perhaps Sony is doing it to make sure its player base doesnt get hacked into like we saw in the past. Makes sense to me."
Game hacks and security breaches are two different things. Changing the game's platform doesn't change the latter.
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Sony isn't going console only and you will see that soon enough. What I do see from the PS4 system specs is that they are going to integrate soe.com into the system so you can play all those F2P game on PS4 and that's a smart move. I can see them bringing mmo's to the console so they can expand player base and increase revenue from that market but at the sametime to cut what revenue they get from PC, now that would hurt sony big time.
Thats pretty much forcing people to the ps4 which I don't see them doing. EQnext will be on pc because theres no reason for them to give up the pc market. So you keep pc market and expand to the ps4 and increase you player base and possibly your revenue since most those games are f2p.
Also someone said its cheaper to build games for the console well thats just not true, you need a dev kit to make games for consoles and thats not cheap. I'm sorry but its much cheaper to build the game for pc then port. Thats why sony moved away from the SPU and back to normal pc specs. Its easier to code for x86 cpus or APUs which sony has.
Originally posted by xpowderxSo now we know the silence towards the MMORPG PC community. It seems that SOE is going console. Whats your opinion of this? By the way, the PS4 specs are pretty uber even to some PCs.
Could only hope that this is true, don't play console games so I never get to see them again lol.
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I have high doubts the OPs "prediction" will ever come to fruition... First, in order for this to work, the PS4 would have to have a sizeable enough install base just to make releasing a MMO exclusively on the PS4 feasible. If commercials are planned for october, then that would mean EQNext is releasing late 2013/early 2014... the same window the PS4 launches. That would just spell disaster for any MMO (launching in a fairly limited market niche of an already limited market). Doesn't make sense. If anything, I could see them doing a PS4-exclusive beta.
Now, if someone told me SOE was planning on launching EQ Next in late 2014, and doing a timed exclusive release on the PS4... I could believe that.
Aren't the next gen consoles essentially PC-based systems anyway? So this really isn't beyond the realm of possiblity. Plus, consoles don't have all the other resource hogs that typical PCs have to deal with. I would imagine it's far easier for developers to make games knowing that all their customers have the exact same specs. Whoever successfully taps into the console market with a good quality MMO will be the next WoW. I know some EQ followers that would be willing to "sell-out" and go console if EQnext is good enough.
On a side note. When I saw this, I immediately thought of the "uncle" post on the SWG forums talking about the upcoming NGE lol. Everyone thought he was a crazy troll and he turned out to be dead on.
It makes sense in a 'political' kind of way actually.
If Sony HQ wants their studios to only develope for their 'next big thing; PS4' SOE will comply.
Console isn't a big market though; PS3 / Xbox sold 75-85M each in their lifetime which is now what 8 years?
PC sold 90M in just the last quarter and that was the lowest quarter since 2001 after 9/11.
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The sad thing is in my OP. I never stated it would not go to the PC. I am guessing some cannot even read a full paragraph before posting negative commentry.