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THIS NEW TESO news is going to shock you all, literally.

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  • deakondeakon birminghamPosts: 583Member


    Originally posted by Robokapp i have a hard time understanding how the one existing datapoint shows one thing yet you choose to interpret exactly the opposite because it doesn't form a trend.

    It isn't one data point, there are plenty of games with vo that sell extremely well, in fact since vo has became the norm in games, the games industry has grown from the realm of basement dwellers to a multi billion dollar industry


    Originally posted by Robokapp   it's all the data we have and it's not in your favor.   And this is why haters will ...okay, I'm trying to say this without trolling, being purely honest. pls dont ban...and this is why haters will tear your game apart once it fails. Because right now you're blindly scremaing irrational nonsense, so when you're proven wrong there'll be an army to rub it in.  

    It's not irrational nonsense, irrational nonsense is claiming that VO is the reason for swtor's failure when VO is the only thing people had anything good to say about the game


    Originally posted by Robokapp i've seen this before countless times. remember FFXIV ? remember WAR? when the forums were screaming "WoW = Waiting on Warhammer" ? remember what happened after release?

    Those games have nothing to do with the argument, neither had much vo or much different to what was already on the market, I dont see how games without VO failing proves that VO is bad?


    Originally posted by Robokapp   well when that one point becomes a trend, 'they' will be here pointing out the trend. meanwhile your precious mmo will have been sacrificed in the name of overhyping and irrational expectations. Like most mmo's post 2007, really.  

    Again what has this got to do with the issue of VO?


    Originally posted by Robokapp you're killing your own game. Stop it. these irrational claims that VOs are somehow good will start a snowball effect that will slaughter TESO hopelessly.   [

    The proof that VO's are good is there, your just ignoring it, did the film industry make more or less money when they became "talkies"? Sound equipment costs money yet the addition of voice made them more money.

    Granted that example isn't gaming so lets try some games, did elder scrolls sell more when it was mainly text based (pre oblivion) or when it was fully voiced? Or how about bioware did their games sell more or less when they switched from text to voice? Or even look at swtor did that sell faster or slower than non voiced mmo's at launch?

    The truth is people prefer fully voiced games, there is no denying that at all, even swtor sold faster than any mmo before and its main selling point was that it was fully voiced, what killed swtor wasn't vo, vo helped sell the game

  • Xstatic912Xstatic912 New York, NYPosts: 365Member
    Originally posted by deakon

    The proof that VO's are good is there, your just ignoring it, did the film industry make more or less money when they became "talkies"? Sound equipment costs money yet the addition of voice made them more money.

    Granted that example isn't gaming so lets try some games, did elder scrolls sell more when it was mainly text based (pre oblivion) or when it was fully voiced? Or how about bioware did their games sell more or less when they switched from text to voice? Or even look at swtor did that sell faster or slower than non voiced mmo's at launch?

    The truth is people prefer fully voiced games, there is no denying that at all, even swtor sold faster than any mmo before and its main selling point was that it was fully voiced, what killed swtor wasn't vo, vo helped sell the game

    True...

    I think the original poster, has no clue why SWTOR failed but is following a crowd that stated the VO sucked and wasn't warranted.. 

  • RyowulfRyowulf Greensburg, PAPosts: 668Member Uncommon

    Deakon, please name the MMOs that had full Vo and did extremely well.  I would like to know which mmos you are referring to.

    As far as VO hurting SWtor, you said it yourself, "VO is the only thing people had anything good to say about the game".

    I am suggesting that if they wouldn't have used VO to extent that they did and instead put the money elsewhere it would have had more features that people would have said good things about.

    As much as some people enjoyed VO it wasn't something that kept most of them around for very long or at least it wasn't enough to outweight the bad things. Maybe an open world, maybe a pvp planet, maybe real race choices in cgen, maybe any number of improvements could have kept people playing.

    SWTor proved that VO alone is not enough to make a successful game.

    Therefor, if Full VO (I am not saying have none) is not something that will have a long term positive impact on a game then maybe spending that money instead on features that will give more bang for the buck to players is a better idea.
     

  • deakondeakon birminghamPosts: 583Member
    Originally posted by Ryowulf

    Deakon, please name the MMOs that had full Vo and did extremely well.  I would like to know which mmos you are referring to.

    As far as VO hurting SWtor, you said it yourself, "VO is the only thing people had anything good to say about the game".

    I am suggesting that if they wouldn't have used VO to extent that they did and instead put the money elsewhere it would have had more features that people would have said good things about.

    As much as some people enjoyed VO it wasn't something that kept most of them around for very long or at least it wasn't enough to outweight the bad things. Maybe an open world, maybe a pvp planet, maybe real race choices in cgen, maybe any number of improvements could have kept people playing.

    SWTor proved that VO alone is not enough to make a successful game.

    Therefor, if Full VO (I am not saying have none) is not something that will have a long term positive impact on a game then maybe spending that money instead on features that will give more bang for the buck to players is a better idea.
     

     

    I agree that VO alone isn't enough to make a successful game, but it certainly doesn't hurt and as i've said in every other genre of game its proven to be a big draw. 

     

    The thing is VO didn't take anything away from swtor at all in reality, they had one of the biggest developement teams ever working full time for years and they made a bad mmo. It's not like those devs stopped making the game in order to watch an actor record VO.

  • RattenmannRattenmann ReitmehringPosts: 510Member Uncommon

    /sarcasm on

    Shocking News: ESO will have pvp!

    The game could sooo rock, if they did not waste money on pvp!

    /sarcasm off

    Seriously, guys. Stop thinking VO are expensive enough to stop anything else from being done. Unless they plan on recruiting some A promis for like 10.000 / hour i am sure the coffee during develeopment will be more expensive.

    MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.

    Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?

  • TheHavokTheHavok San Jose, CAPosts: 2,398Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DavisFlight
    Originally posted by snipehack
    I truly see nothing wrong with this

    You see nothing wrong with dumping tons of money into voice acting, at the detriment of the rest of the game?

    How do you know they are dumping a ton of money?  You don't know shit.  You don't know their budget and you don't know how much or how little they are spending on voice acting.  Even if they spent a large portion on voice acting, the rest of the game could be amazing!  We don't know yet.

    Just because EA/Mythic/Bioware used voice acting doesn't mean every other game that uses voice acting will be bad.

  • archeagekingarcheageking new york, NYPosts: 88Member

    as soon as i saw full in game voice acting and morale choices. Somehow Swtor instantly pop in my head and all red flags sounded the alarm.

     

    thats basically what this thread is about. Now im skepticle. I was goign to buy teso on launch day, but with this piece of news not anymore. i went from happy to skeptics in 1 fell swoop.

  • Ramones274Ramones274 Spanaway, WAPosts: 366Member
    Originally posted by archeageking

    as soon as i saw full in game voice acting and morale choices. Somehow Swtor instantly pop in my head and all red flags sounded the alarm.

     

    thats basically what this thread is about. Now im skepticle. I was goign to buy teso on launch day, but with this piece of news not anymore. i went from happy to skeptics in 1 fell swoop.

    I'm sure it's been stated many times in this thread already, so hopefully we can let this thread die now..

     

    The VO were not the  weakpoint of SWtOR.

    VO are not a bad thing.

     

    Now stop making this god awful thread pop up on the recent posts! Thank you - that is all.

    There are two kinds of people in this world. People who pick their nose.. and liars.

  • archeagekingarcheageking new york, NYPosts: 88Member

    also i had enough of vo and cutscene, and stupid personal stories. after purchasing swtor collEctor edition for $150.

    I wont be fooled again the 2nd time. 

     

  • RattenmannRattenmann ReitmehringPosts: 510Member Uncommon

    Really, i love this topic. It reminds me that people just want to complain and people love to judge stuff because of wrong assumtions. Not even sure why i post here, as i have no interesst in the game itself (yet) lol

    Just remember: 80% of all murderers have eaten bread before the crime. So we should ban bread.

    MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.

    Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?

  • Johnie-MarzJohnie-Marz La Puente, CAPosts: 865Member

    I don't see VO as a problem, I enjoyed them in The Secret World, very well done.

    No the problem is that TESO will use the VO in the game to have each NPC you meet tell you the story of how he/she got an arrow to the knee!

  • WraithoneWraithone Salt Lake City, UTPosts: 3,594Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Zaradoom

    /sarcasm on

    Shocking News: ESO will have pvp!

    The game could sooo rock, if they did not waste money on pvp!

    /sarcasm off

    Seriously, guys. Stop thinking VO are expensive enough to stop anything else from being done. Unless they plan on recruiting some A promis for like 10.000 / hour i am sure the coffee during develeopment will be more expensive.

    Hey! The CareBears of the world agree with you!... ^^  I've lost count of the number of games, that have been ruined because of pandering to the PvP crowd.  The Dev's spent so much time/talent/effort "balancing" PvP, that they end up hammering the hell out of the PvE side of the game.

    As for VO, thats just ONE element of the complex 3D puzzle that is the typical MMO game.  Even the best VO in the world wouldn't save a game, that messes up too many of the other elements.  Like wise, good VO, isn't going to damage an other wise good game.

  • reanorreanor BananaPosts: 434Member


    Originally posted by achesoma
    It's not the VO that's bothersome, it's the neverending cutscenes.  I'm more concerned about the half-life of instanced/phased all to hell "megaserver" and single zone pvp.

    Yeah for people who can't wait 30 seconds for a cutscene it must be some real ADD trouble... Better harvest the quests, skip all the cutscenes and VOs and just rush to the end game ... where nothing really is waiting for you but dumb raiding or PvP. I guess its lose lose scenario.

  • MyrdynnMyrdynn Beaumont, CAPosts: 1,518Member Uncommon

    Don't know about anyone else, but I didn't LITERALLY get shocked, no electricity shot out of my computer, thankfully, I was scared to open this thread for the last week, cause I thought I was LITERALLY going to get shocked

     

  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,206Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by deakon

     


    Originally posted by Robokapp you're killing your own game. Stop it. these irrational claims that VOs are somehow good will start a snowball effect that will slaughter TESO hopelessly.   [

     

    The proof that VO's are good is there, your just ignoring it,

    I just wanted to adress this part. I'm not ignoring it. Since we both agree on its positives, there's no need for it to be mentioned and debated. The discussion occurs when people dissagree on something.

     

    yes, VO's would be great on their own. The conequences of their development might be outweighting their benefits, however.

     

    the MMO market was born, grew, peaked and began shrinking again without VOs. There's no indication that VOs can affect this curve. They're too big to be cheaply made, yet too small to single-handedly save a title or create a great mmo. SWTOR prooved both of these points.

     

    if EXTRA finances go into VOs, it's all good. if they are payed for at expense of other things...problem.

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  • deakondeakon birminghamPosts: 583Member


    Originally posted by Robokapp

    I just wanted to adress this part. I'm not ignoring it. Since we both agree on its positives, there's no need for it to be mentioned and debated. The discussion occurs when people dissagree on something.  

    yes, VO's would be great on their own. The conequences of their development might be outweighting their benefits, however.

      the MMO market was born, grew, peaked and began shrinking again without VOs. There's no indication that VOs can affect this curve. They're too big to be cheaply made, yet too small to single-handedly save a title or create a great mmo. SWTOR prooved both of these points.  

    if EXTRA finances go into VOs, it's all good. if they are payed for at expense of other things...problem.


     

    Every game genre was borne and grew and shrunk as text based before full vo came along, and there were big disasters before vo fully took off big companies went belly up and the games industry was in big trouble just before the first playstation came along


    There is no evidence that VO's cost THAT much extra unless your going for big names, SWTOR doesn't prove its expensive at all, SWTOR had a massive budget but they had a massive team, started a whole new studio and had more VO than in every bioware game before combined and are even world record holders for the largest VO project in history.


    There are no consequences to their addition, the same team that has been working on the game for the past 5/6 years will still be working on the game while they record vo.

  • RyowulfRyowulf Greensburg, PAPosts: 668Member Uncommon

    "There is no evidence that VO's cost THAT much extra unless your going for big names,"

    Just think about it. Its not like the devs call down to the actors union to send up a few VO actors, who then stand in front of mics and read a few lines.

    There are tons of people in the background. You've got script writers, editors, audio people, programers, voice coaches, etc. Even if the VO itself doesn't cost a ton, you start adding it all up and its expensive.

    I am not trying to suggest it takes half the budget or something. Only that, including Full VO in an mmo has an impact on the cost of the game.

     

     

  • GiffenGiffen Lacey, WAPosts: 268Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ryowulf

    "There is no evidence that VO's cost THAT much extra unless your going for big names,"

    Just think about it. Its not like the devs call down to the actors union to send up a few VO actors, who then stand in front of mics and read a few lines.

    There are tons of people in the background. You've got script writers, editors, audio people, programers, voice coaches, etc. Even if the VO itself doesn't cost a ton, you start adding it all up and its expensive.

    I am not trying to suggest it takes half the budget or something. Only that, including Full VO in an mmo has an impact on the cost of the game.

     

     I agree, the big problem is the TIME it takes to do all the voice acting and get it into the game.  It slows down content addition by a lot and overall development too.

     

  • kartoolkartool Hamilton, ONPosts: 472Member Uncommon
    I have a hard time playing MMO's that don't have VO's after SWTOR and TSW. In my opinion TSW got the voiceover thing very right. 
  • BatCakezBatCakez None O''ya Business, CAPosts: 127Member
    Originally posted by archeageking

    Get ready for those of you who is waiting on TESO, todays new info just literally shocked me like really really really shocked me.

     

    Get ready, drum rolls please.............ITS ITS http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/zenimax-gets-vocal-about-the-elder-scrolls-online/

     

    Elder scrolls will have full voice overs, DEJA VU anyone ?? ANYONE? someone didnt learn a lesson from swtor, its  a sad sa  sad sad news. i know you all must be shocked and disbelived right about now....

     

     

    me too.

    im sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

    I fail to see the problem here. Long gone are the days that MMOs should have text that you spend reading all the time. The more immersive, the better the game. We've advanced, so our games must reflect this. This isn't bad news, just a bit mediocre, considering it's actually an expectation of most big games these days.

  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid hell, NJPosts: 6,783Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by archeageking

     

    Elder scrolls will have full voice overs, DEJA VU anyone ?? ANYONE? someone didnt learn a lesson from swtor, its  a sad sa  sad sad news. i know you all must be shocked and disbelived right about now....

    me too.

    im sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

    Skyrim has the best experience in TES games i have ever had and its fully voiced. I wouldnt bother with TESO if i had to read everything in a text box after experiencing Skyrim unless its a free game. Being fully voiced doesnt mean it will be a bad game. SWTOR wasted too much money on expensive famous voice actors and didnt focus on the game itself. Maybe Zenimax will use the same voice actors from SKyrim? who knows, but it is great news. It sounds closer to my Skyrim experience already and thats what i would pay for in a new Elder Scrolls game.

    The only way they would ruin it with voice over is if they go the Swtor route by ignoring the entire game and investing everything in expensive voice overs. Im sure that isnt the case here.

     

    EDIT: just because one company did it wrong doesnt mean everyone else will.

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  • QuicksandQuicksand Aurora, COPosts: 604Member Uncommon

    VO's in TESO just makes me want to play it more. Thanks for the heads up, I didn't know they would have them.

     

    Awesome news!

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  • atticusbcatticusbc Posts: 1,069Member Uncommon

    read the title and was like "haha. teso won't electrocute me! ... riht?"

    slightly related i have come up with a new death penalty.

  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Alexandria, VAPosts: 4,561Member Uncommon
    It would not be up to elder scrolls standards if every npc in the game didnt have voice over.  OP have you even played any of the games?
  • dontadowdontadow Detroit, MIPosts: 1,044Member Common
    Voiceovers had nothing to do with swtor not catching on. It was that there was so much empty space in the beginning combined with lackluster gameplay. It's hard to play SWTOR and think of your favorite scenes in the movies because rarely in the movies is someone standing and taunting darth vader while another guy heals him and someone shoots from the shadows . 
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