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But how many of those P2P customers are gold sellers? :-?
I don't know you even brought up WoW. The hate it gets has more to do with it's popularity than what revenue model it uses.
I also don't know why you need to call me out. I notice a trend and so I posted by what I'm seeing. I never said every F2P/P2P game is good or bad. You are the one trying make a point of that.
So, the highlighted part was a lie?
I will have to agree that more than often what dogblaster has said is true.Mercedes E 2003. Not in garage tho ..
As a crusty MMO veteran, I am resigned to the fact that F2P seems to be the path most MMO games are/will be taking. Doesn't mean I have to like it!!!
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
Those who eschew free games do so because gaming is not a hobby, but a passtime. So they are unwilling to pay for adventure and get more caught up in the self-bravado of items n things.
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
Played B2P games, allot of F2P games and quite a few P2P ones (EVE and WoW being the only ones I'll admit to paying for publicly) and over my years of playing games I can tell you that it's the communities, all of em, that have gone down the shitter, true P2P ones are going down the shitter a bit slower but all of em are because of the influx of people whom, as people in my country would say, "lack the 7 years from home" or more bluntly put: were never educated to act in an considerate fashion, the so called "me" generation and make no mistake gents they're universal and they're wrecking MMOs and all online games from the inside by creating toxic communities, demanding games geared towards easy gratification, asserting their importance over all others, etc.
Blame F2P all you want it's in the same crap as your precious P2P games, most of which are already geared towards their type ( want an entitled brat to have a bigger mouth? give him/her a reason to claim "I am a paying customer! I AM RIGHT!" ).
Facts really of life, casuals aren't running games, "e-beggers" aren't ruining games, F2P isn't ruining games, hell greedy devs aren't ruining games, what truly is ruining games are the large amount of "me" players running around making the developers think they have audiences for WoW/EQ/w/e clones.
If you are not paying anything at all for a game, it easy becomes a throw away mentality, you wont take any game seriously as you haven't payd for it..
It's the same effect the piracy has on games and films , If a game or a film doesn't hook you in a few minutes , you just hop to the next and the next etc
Atleast if you have payd for it you will give the game yu bought a few more chances before dismissing it...
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All comes to this. Only company and only the developers decide what model they will go with. You can either go with it or dont. BUT STOP FUCKING TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO!
WHY I dont see almost zero topics created by P2P saying this :''This game should be P2P, not F2P'' ''FUCK YOU F2P''
BUT I can everyday see topics created by F2P fans saying .. ''This game should be F2P!'' P2P suck.'' ''Why should I pay for lame subscription?!!'' bla bla bla
Only based on how many ''trolls'' topics are created by F2P fans you can clearly see what F2P players and communities are about.. No thank you.
So your argument is that because you have seen threads about people wanting a game to go F2P, F2P games have shitty people in them and P2P games have better people.
And just so you know, when a P2P game announces F2P, forums light up with people wanting to keep their game P2P. "F2P is SHIT! P2P RULES! God damn kiddies are going to infest my game!" So really, your anecdotal eveidence about the threads you personally see and pay attention to is worthless anyway.
I mean, just read this thread to find out how mature the P2P community is. I think it's a toss-up. Both have positives if you look for it and both have negatives if you look for it.
Yeah, I see the difference. P2P players are getting duped by the devs of almost every major release in the last 5 years. It's really the lifetime subbers that I feel the most sorry for.
And you are overstating the amount and quality of the F2P players that are coming in and starting threads that beg for games to go F2P. I rarely, if ever see them. You apparently see them all the time. If anything I see crying by P2P players about their game going F2P all the time. And you're right, that does make sense. They just got bamboozled out of their preferred payment method.
And I'm not knocking anyone that prefers one payment method over the other. But this thread certainly has a lot to say about the more vocal P2P-only crowd.
Ah okey so get this straight .. JUST because there are some games/developers who fucked up the game or didnt keep the promise all those F2P players have now right to demand F2P in every new game? Awesome .. lol
Apple suck and did sold me broken product .. I have right to demand free product from HTC/Sony/Samsung/.. Awesome
P.S.: Sadly I had a chance to play many F2P games, League of Legends has the worst community I have ever seen. Every game I played there made me worse person, all the rage, verbal abuse, trolling in that game is just sad ..from ranked to normal, from lvl 1 to 30.
Why do you think that SWTOR had to introduce new policy on forums? So much more trolling and complaing started after F2p players came in it was unbearable.
No, that wasn't what I said at all. That's really far off. I was actually saying it made sense that P2P players would complain when their game went F2P. It's ridiculous that games would open up with box + sub to get that initial burst of cash only to switch models 6 months after release.
But this isn't just happening with a few games. This is like every major release for the last 5 years. It's awful that they do it. But apparently, P2P is only sustainable in very few situations right now. It's a really competitive market right now and people are finding ways to compete through various F2P models.
And yes, F2P players have the right to beg for whatever they want. Just like P2P players also have that right.
And I have no idea why you think that last sentence would apply to anything I wrote. Edit: You edited so it turned into the second to last sentence. But if you base all games community on LoL, I don't know what to say. That is a 1 game sample size you are basing your opinions on.
Yeah, I see the difference. P2P players are getting duped by the devs of almost every major release in the last 5 years. It's really the lifetime subbers that I feel the most sorry for.
And you are overstating the amount and quality of the F2P players that are coming in and starting threads that beg for games to go F2P. I rarely, if ever see them. You apparently see them all the time. If anything I see crying by P2P players about their game going F2P all the time. And you're right, that does make sense. They just got bamboozled out of their preferred payment method.
And I'm not knocking anyone that prefers one payment method over the other. But this thread certainly has a lot to say about the more vocal P2P-only crowd.
So what u are saying, is that because you are an average consumer and was "duped" buy on of these devs, that you dont have additional money to try every game you want... so now u can try every free game u want.. because that alleviates ur own fear of wasting a few bucks on a game.Honestly, your arvument is hystarical... why really wants to play a free to play game, only because it is free.
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
No, I'm not saying that at all. Another wierd answer that is really far off.
I am currently paying for 2 games. WoW (to play arenas with my RL brother next season) and EVE (because it's great). I also play GW2 with my friends from other games (a B2P game) and occasionally bullshit around in Planetside 2 (a F2P game. I've spent $20 on it).
My argument isn't that I only want to play a free game because it's free. How you got that is anyone's guess.
Yes i brought up WOW to show that your assesment regarding what majority considers as a good or bad. Your view that simply if MMO is good it stays P2P and if it is bad it goes F2P is very simplistic at best and extremely black and white.
I wasn't calling you out though. Simply disagreeing with your view point. A lot of good games also change their payment models because sometimes even though good games they fail to generate enough interest in gamers for number of reasons It could be because it is niche, more challenging, complex and less advertisement etc.
And as far as dogblaster is concerned i don't know what he said can be considered as true. Unless you mean his constant generalsiations, insults and acggressive attitude towards F2P players. And ignoring the irony that if he is trying to show that P2P players are more prudent and mature, he is completely failing at that.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Didn't really know that talking about F2P and P2P requires this much modding and deleting posts. It's quite a chore to play catch up when you keep erasing stuff faster than we write it down.
Maybe it's those big F2P advertisements on the site that get bad rep here...
Mercedes E 2003. Not in garage tho ..
.....you have a car worth $10,000 CAD with piss poor 0-100km/h(0-60mp/h) times and absolute GARBAGE 1/4 mile timings and you're going around saying people are poor? -_______________-
I choose F2P games for a damn good reason: 2008 GSXR-750 for street, 2012 CBR-600RR for track. The 750 will kill any car not classified as a supersport (and even then, a lot of supersports). I know where to put my money...you should learn too :P MMOs is not it.
you know where to put your money? LMAO!! as if spending $15 a month on an mmo is some sort of substantial investment.
if you had the things you claim you do and the funds to purchase them, the money you would spend on an mmo would be irrelevant chump change.
i am not a rich person by any means and spending $15 a month on a game is chump change to me.
i spend more than that on take out.
i would gladly give a game and its devs a little bit of money if i enjoy the game.
i would especially rather do that than play a gimped restricted version of the game i want to play.
You've been putting in some serious overtime on this quest for validation. If you're above and better than the rest of us, why are you still here?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Honestly, who here wants.. a cheaply made mmorpg? [mod edit]
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Nothing is free especiay in the MMO world.
Point out the F2P MMO which is making the money a subscription game can. I did not say F2P cannot fund a MMO, but can anyone here tell us of a F2P MMO that is making the money a sub game does? Or has the initial investment put into it that a sub game does? Quality costs money, less funding equals less quality.
In the new age of MMO's we have many so called F2P games which have a sub as well. All MMO's are moving to a new revenue model which combines both F2P and P2P. But the more they rely on F2P the less funding they will have.