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POLL: Faction Lock, or Not...

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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Posts: 5,463Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Maelwydd
    Originally posted by fs23otm

    Sounds to me you just want an online TES game.

    They developed a MMO TES game...

     

    The Elder Scrolls Online.

    For the really dumb in the room the hint is in the name, read carefully....

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  • NitthNitth AustraliaPosts: 3,684Member Uncommon

    So, Interpreting that, Majority want something else besides the current design.

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  • SiveriaSiveria Saint John, New BrunswickPosts: 1,200Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Tayah

    It's fine the way they currently have it..worked just fine in DAOC.

    Yeah I loved how daoc did it, it allowed people who only like pve to be safe from being ganked. Though there are Battlegrounds avail at lv 20+ in daoc so you can still pvp if you wish. I hope ESO gets rid of the races locked to faction, i'd rather it be like skyrim, where for example human and orc's are the main races in 1 faction, but any race can join them. I also hope they do not seperate pve and pvp gear, have raid gear be the best gear for pvp, like it was in daoc before the make-your-own-magic-items craft skill came in. No one complained about it in daoc.

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  • walltarwalltar Uherske HradistePosts: 58Member
    Originally posted by Maelwydd
    Originally posted by Crazyhorsek
    With some luck... the combat system could be something like Tera... which would fit TESO

    Got to ask but why not have combat like TES games?

    Have you even played a TES game at all because your fist area of comparrison is always something else other then the latest TES game.

    I found by comparisson the combat of Tera to be plain. The quality of Tera combat aside, why not start with TES combat and if it doesn't work go elsewhere?

    Id say, that pure TES combat wouln't work because of lag in MMO enveronment. You would never hit your target with bow or spell. And i think that only one attack + block + power is pretty bland for MMO.

  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,058Member Uncommon

    Deja vu.

     

     

     

    Could of sworn we had a faction lock post yesterday, and the day before, and the day before  that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • LaromussLaromuss vancouver, BCPosts: 324Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by azzamasin

    Deja vu.

     

     

     

    Could of sworn we had a faction lock post yesterday, and the day before, and the day before  that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before that.

    Nah,  I don't think there is enough of them.  Keep it up yalls, I'm sure the developers will be reading and listening intently through every Faction thread :)

  • immodiumimmodium ManchesterPosts: 1,578Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Maelwydd
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    Pot kettle black.

     

    By your logic Redguard isn't a Elder Scrolls game as it's a linear Tomb Raider style game.

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  • PyrateLVPyrateLV Las Vegas, NVPosts: 1,096Member Common
    Originally posted by immodium
    Originally posted by Maelwydd

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    Pot kettle black.

     

    By your logic Redguard isn't a Elder Scrolls game as it's a linear Tomb Raider style game.

    Redguard is an ES game technically, but its a really bad off-shoot of the series.

    Mainly because it strayed too far from the traditional ES style by going with a TPS Tomb Raider style.

    Much in the same way I think ESO will be a bad off-shoot because they are straying too far into the linear Themepark/DAOC MMO style

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  • immodiumimmodium ManchesterPosts: 1,578Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by PyrateLV
    Originally posted by immodium
    Originally posted by Maelwydd

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    Pot kettle black.

     

    By your logic Redguard isn't a Elder Scrolls game as it's a linear Tomb Raider style game.

    Redguard is an ES game technically, but its a really bad off-shoot of the series.

    Mainly because it strayed too far from the traditional ES style by going with a TPS Tomb Raider style.

    Much in the same way I think ESO will be a bad off-shoot because they are straying too far into the linear Themepark/DAOC MMO style

    Yes, ESO could be a disaster. But it's still a TES game.

     

    IMO the only way a game could deviate from being TES (or any well known IP) is when lore is butchered, not the introduction of different game mechanics.

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  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,058Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by PyrateLV
    Originally posted by immodium
    Originally posted by Maelwydd

    [mod edit]

     

     

    Pot kettle black.

     

    By your logic Redguard isn't a Elder Scrolls game as it's a linear Tomb Raider style game.

    Redguard is an ES game technically, but its a really bad off-shoot of the series.

    Mainly because it strayed too far from the traditional ES style by going with a TPS Tomb Raider style.

    Much in the same way I think ESO will be a bad off-shoot because they are straying too far into the linear Themepark/DAOC MMO style

    Where is the linearity you speak of sir?

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • DaezAsterDaezAster new york, NYPosts: 803Member
    Don't add up to me. They say race lock is to easily identify the enemy, does'nt the big red name above there head do so just fine. They say seperation is to foster realm pride, then encourage you to make an alt on the enemy team where you can log into alt to spy. 4 realms but only 2 available to you and half that if your pve or pvp focussed. sleeping with the enemy is not good motivation or mechanics and counters the game design in more then a few ways. I see a mess a coming :)
  • Skooma2Skooma2 Glenview, ILPosts: 694Member Uncommon
    Reviewing poll results, I see 21.6% want open world pvp.  If TESO has open world pvp, it will be DOA.  

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  • deakondeakon birminghamPosts: 583Member
    Originally posted by DaezAster
    Don't add up to me. They say race lock is to easily identify the enemy, does'nt the big red name above there head do so just fine. They say seperation is to foster realm pride, then encourage you to make an alt on the enemy team where you can log into alt to spy. 4 realms but only 2 available to you and half that if your pve or pvp focussed. sleeping with the enemy is not good motivation or mechanics and counters the game design in more then a few ways. I see a mess a coming :)

    Being able to tell the difference between the 2 enemy factions in a three faction pvp system is pretty important tbh

  • CrazyhorsekCrazyhorsek LisboaPosts: 244Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Maelwydd
    Originally posted by Crazyhorsek
    With some luck... the combat system could be something like Tera... which would fit TESO

    Got to ask but why not have combat like TES games?

    Have you even played a TES game at all because your fist area of comparrison is always something else other then the latest TES game.

    I found by comparisson the combat of Tera to be plain. The quality of Tera combat aside, why not start with TES combat and if it doesn't work go elsewhere?

    Because its an mmo and not a single player - its not because of me really, I only play assassins on TES but for casters / ranged it would be a nightmare (to say the least) have a guy like me strafing out of your fireballs or arrows or whatever you could send at me only to be brutally raped as soon as I got close - and I would get close pretty fast - and a plate guy probably even faster since he could take a hit or two. Don't get me wrong - it would be cool in theory, but in practice would never work.

    So it has to be something in between full TES and a regular mmo like DAoC thats why I said Tera. Action combat with some button abilities and for casters a soft lock so they can hit something - OR... you go full TES mode and make projectiles go at least the speed of sound (arrows, fireballs, etc) so people dont just dodge you.

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  • NildenNilden null, NBPosts: 1,284Member Uncommon
    Has anyone noticed that Matt Firor worked on Dark Age of Camelot and The Elder Scrolls Online and the games are going to have the same three realm pvp design? Inspector Gadget theme music.

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  • sapphensapphen Madison, NCPosts: 911Member Common
    Originally posted by nilden
    Has anyone noticed that Matt Firor worked on Dark Age of Camelot and The Elder Scrolls Online and the games are going to have the same three realm pvp design? Inspector Gadget theme music.

    LOL, I think they told Matt to do DAoC2 and then put an Elder Scrolls theme to it when he wasn't looking.

  • loulakiloulaki PatrasPosts: 918Member
    watching the results of the poll, i wonder if this community is sandbox oriented ...

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  • Caliburn101Caliburn101 LondonPosts: 636Member
    Originally posted by loulaki
    watching the results of the poll, i wonder if this community is sandbox oriented ...

    No - the PvP & sandbox players are easily engaged as they see themselves as underdogs.

    This poll - unlike my other one (What is TESO?) has leading questions in favour of the PvP oriented players.

    It is clear that even those can't agree on whether faction lock is the best thing - not when given some choice.

    My other polls currently shows just over a quarter of people are happy with the setup as currently indicated by Zenimax.

    They are, from the comments, almost exclusively DAoC fans.

    This poll has also attracted the DAoC fans - of which only 1/3rd want single-area-only faction-locked PvP.

    1/3rd of 1/4 is, if we generously round up to take account of variations, 1/10th - hardly a ringing endorsement at this early stage.

     

  • Squeak69Squeak69 Colorado Springs, COPosts: 956Member
    Originally posted by nilden
    Has anyone noticed that Matt Firor worked on Dark Age of Camelot and The Elder Scrolls Online and the games are going to have the same three realm pvp design? Inspector Gadget theme music.

    . . . . . . . . not trying to be offesive but you have read these forums right?

    i mean that has been the main subject of arguments for several weeks now

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  • TuktzTuktz Atlanta, GAPosts: 299Member
    First option is great. I liked that setup in daoc a lot!

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  • HestiaHestia BadungPosts: 119Member
    Originally posted by walltar
    I'd go with second option ... you can go to enemy zones, but there should be guards in cities and bigger towns who would attack you on sight. You are still in enemy territory.

    Seconded. Pretty sure most of the non PvPers voted the first option. Would also be great if we had a restriction in the newbie starting areas too. Everything else? Get some guards protecting some zones and PvP all the way!

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Posts: 5,463Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Hestia
    Originally posted by walltar
    I'd go with second option ... you can go to enemy zones, but there should be guards in cities and bigger towns who would attack you on sight. You are still in enemy territory.

    Seconded. Pretty sure most of the non PvPers voted the first option. Would also be great if we had a restriction in the newbie starting areas too. Everything else? Get some guards protecting some zones and PvP all the way!

    Thats the part most people keep missing. TES fans, not MMO fans but people who will play this game because they loved TES most likely will ask 'Why every time I go explore some player keeps killing me?' TSE fans and MMO pure PvE fans have been thought of in the current design. DAoC system gives pure PvE fans the space they want and better yet PvP fans get the best of the best for PvP. Having PvP everywhere thins out the battles. Lowering the chance for a large sale battle. Making sure all PvP happens on one map means more fun for PvP gamers. 

    This current system lets PvEers and PvPer have what they want without stepping on eachothers toes and wil make sure we net the most number of fans. 


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  • TuktzTuktz Atlanta, GAPosts: 299Member
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by Hestia
    Originally posted by walltar
    I'd go with second option ... you can go to enemy zones, but there should be guards in cities and bigger towns who would attack you on sight. You are still in enemy territory.

    Seconded. Pretty sure most of the non PvPers voted the first option. Would also be great if we had a restriction in the newbie starting areas too. Everything else? Get some guards protecting some zones and PvP all the way!

    Thats the part most people keep missing. TES fans, not MMO fans but people who will play this game because they loved TES most likely will ask 'Why every time I go explore some player keeps killing me?' TSE fans and MMO pure PvE fans have been thought of in the current design. DAoC system gives pure PvE fans the space they want and better yet PvP fans get the best of the best for PvP. Having PvP everywhere thins out the battles. Lowering the chance for a large sale battle. Making sure all PvP happens on one map means more fun for PvP gamers. 

    This current system lets PvEers and PvPer have what they want without stepping on eachothers toes and wil make sure we net the most number of fans. 

    I agree. Regardless of what I want, game after game has shown that if you want a LARGE population of players, a lot of those players want the CHOICE between PVE and PVP. (heck population wise, PVE players have always outnumbered PVP players by a big margin as well).

    The PVP crowd that wants open or semi open PVP in all zones of the game are usually the loudest, but far from the majority.

    Don't get me wrong though, I love RVR, and that's why I'm going to check out both TESO and camelot unchained, because in CU the entire world is RVR open access. But it works well in that game, because there is no PVE to speak of, so there's no need to separate the two.

    As with most things in life, this is a good compromise. People that only want to PVE can stay in their homelands, and people that ONLY want to PVP can stick to CYRA. THe rest of us that like to dabble in both can pick and choose which we want to do depending on our mood on that day.

     

    Usually a lot of this stems from a vocal minority that wants to take their PVP toon to go kill some casual PVE type to mess with his gaming experience LOL.

     

    It's tough I know, when you go to an area designated for PVP, because then the people are actually there to fight you instead of unsuspecting victims. =)

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  • SoMuchMassSoMuchMass New York, NYPosts: 548Member
    Originally posted by Nitth

    So, Interpreting that, Majority want something else besides the current design.

    More like the community doens't know what it wants.  It could have been any model and there would be disagreements.

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