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Another themepark copying what other themepark already have no big deal.
TESO is made only to be a money cow so they hope and earned money hopefully for them, when it all fails also end of bethesda unless the most talented keep making solo elder scrolls which i doub very much at this point, future will tell offocrse.
This game as so many big games will be same story all over again, you all follow hype then you find out its all of same or not made to your personal taste and come to forums whine about it, and waiting for next big thing comming around and it all rinse and repeat so predictable lol.
Im only interested in the elder scrolls solo games.
All tho its nice following this game see how this more and more over hyped themepark making same mistake again?...
I could offcorse be mistaken and it will be the best ever mmo in history of mmorpgs, if it was realy made by bethesda themselfs but that's very doubful.
We see soon enough its good or bad mmo.
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And... you thought MMOs had to have massive walls of text instead of actually listening to the voice of the character giving it a real personality and distinction. Ok then... back to MUDs you go!
Voiceovers can be done on the cheap ala TSW. SWTOR went and got well known voice actors to do the job.
Also could you imagine SWTOR without voice acting? It would be terrible. Voice acting turned a mediocre game into a fun game for a few months.
Full voiceovers can be done wrong (like in SWTOR) and they can be done right (like in TSW). Every damn sidequest doesn't need a boring voiceover with redundant "choices" to make. TSW's voiceovers and cutscenes brought out the atmosphere of the game out better than any multiple choice dialogue ever could.
I hated SWTORs voiceovers after an hour of playing. Having my character repeat the same reply for the 12th time probably did it.
I almost never read questtext, i keep clicking on stuff untill i get a "bling" sound that tells me i have a new quest. Same goes for my GF (even worse then for me). Yet i still love the storys some quests have,.. just that i miss most of them, due to me not wanting to read textwalls.
Voiceovers are the single best invention hitting the MMO market since EQ1 in my book.
MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.
Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?
You see nothing wrong with dumping tons of money into voice acting, at the detriment of the rest of the game?
MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.
Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?
I don't follow your logic here. How is investing in voice acting always at a detriment to the rest of the game?
I could make the same argument that hiring someone to spend hours typing in quest text in multiple languages is a detriment to the rest of the game.
What's the difference?
Voice overs are fine, Are you implying just because SWTOR had them any game that has them after that is going to be bad?
Come on!
How's voice action: Tons of money?
Not saying it doesn't cost anything, but you know tech is pretty quick these day's, developers do not have to program the lip-movements anymore, it just auto sinks lips with spoken text. An voice actor can speak what?.....50/100 quest missions in an hour? You have several voice actors in for a day, see what amount of speech they can deliver in one day? All this is stored and when needed used.
Yes it cost money to maintain these things....but tons of money, nah not really, the amount of overal tech used either home build engine or licenced engine, the total amount of people working on the game, there's your tons of money......
If having voice work costs so much its detrimental to games, why is it every genre of game that isn't an mmo have been fully voiced for years (over a decade now)?
There is no evidence that having VO costs "tons" and VO being detrimental to games is the opposite of what the evidence shows us, the better games have gotten at telling a good story the more the games industry has grown
True... BUT after only half an hour of Skyrim you prolly go beserk the next time someone says "looking to protect yourself... or deal some damage?" lol
Seriously tho... I dont know why this is "NEWS" since it was obvious that TES would be fully voiced lol...
second... I find it funny that people actually think that what went wrong with SWTOR was directly or indirectly because it was fully voiced... I mean... no. lol Actually that part was the GOOD part of SWTOR... and if you think that was the bad part, then... wow wonder what you thought of the rest of the game lol
Hope they get patrick stewart for an epic opening scene like Oblivion...
Is swtor the only fully voiced game in existance? No. Do all fully voiced games have close to swtors budget? Nope. Does one point make a trend? Nope. Did bioware austin exist before swtor went into developement? Nope. Was it created specifically for swtor? Yup. Was swtor the biggest vo project ever made? Yup. Does any of this suggest teso will be the same as swtor in this regard? Nope
Empirical evidence requires more than one observation. The reason this is so "shocking" here is that the MMPRPG.com community will jump on anything they can twist into a negative to say bad things about a game. People here hate games.
And "Literally" shocking means electricity is running through my body. The other definition of shocking is purely figurative, thus "literally shocking" is an oxymoron.
Voiceovers are a good thing. ESO isn't going to have 2 limited factions with extremely yawnfest driven pve and the kind of pvp that brought me back to being a kid on a playground for capture the flag.
EverQuest 2 originally had a considerable amount of voice dialogue, and Age of Conan also featured a large amount of voiced-over quests, particularly in the early Tortage levels...and it was very cool and one of the few good aspects of those two titles.
So grats to ESO for taking a good aspect and adding it to a title that already has more depth and variation than anything on the market since Dark Age of Camelot.
Cheers!
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How black and white can you get? VO does not automatically equal a bad game. Skyrim has lots of VO and it's one of the best games I've ever played.
SWTOR was bad for many reasons, but VO was not one of them.
Obviously VOs are not inherently bad, it is good. However resources, meaning money, is not infinite so if they spend resources on VOs for sure some other aspect of the game will suffer. Gameplay, most likely.
I would personally see that money spent on unlocking the three different factions. That is far more important than some NPC AI, following some scripted dialogue.
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THIS guys has the right idea.... I love the immersion VO have, but what if said VO are cheesy and not well done, then my freind you have just wasted money on a feature that, that said money could be used one somethign else..
Well put Yamota...
It isn't one data point, there are plenty of games with vo that sell extremely well, in fact since vo has became the norm in games, the games industry has grown from the realm of basement dwellers to a multi billion dollar industry
It's not irrational nonsense, irrational nonsense is claiming that VO is the reason for swtor's failure when VO is the only thing people had anything good to say about the game
Those games have nothing to do with the argument, neither had much vo or much different to what was already on the market, I dont see how games without VO failing proves that VO is bad?
Again what has this got to do with the issue of VO?
The proof that VO's are good is there, your just ignoring it, did the film industry make more or less money when they became "talkies"? Sound equipment costs money yet the addition of voice made them more money.
Granted that example isn't gaming so lets try some games, did elder scrolls sell more when it was mainly text based (pre oblivion) or when it was fully voiced? Or how about bioware did their games sell more or less when they switched from text to voice? Or even look at swtor did that sell faster or slower than non voiced mmo's at launch?
The truth is people prefer fully voiced games, there is no denying that at all, even swtor sold faster than any mmo before and its main selling point was that it was fully voiced, what killed swtor wasn't vo, vo helped sell the game
True...
I think the original poster, has no clue why SWTOR failed but is following a crowd that stated the VO sucked and wasn't warranted..
Deakon, please name the MMOs that had full Vo and did extremely well. I would like to know which mmos you are referring to.
As far as VO hurting SWtor, you said it yourself, "VO is the only thing people had anything good to say about the game".
I am suggesting that if they wouldn't have used VO to extent that they did and instead put the money elsewhere it would have had more features that people would have said good things about.
As much as some people enjoyed VO it wasn't something that kept most of them around for very long or at least it wasn't enough to outweight the bad things. Maybe an open world, maybe a pvp planet, maybe real race choices in cgen, maybe any number of improvements could have kept people playing.
SWTor proved that VO alone is not enough to make a successful game.
Therefor, if Full VO (I am not saying have none) is not something that will have a long term positive impact on a game then maybe spending that money instead on features that will give more bang for the buck to players is a better idea.
I agree that VO alone isn't enough to make a successful game, but it certainly doesn't hurt and as i've said in every other genre of game its proven to be a big draw.
The thing is VO didn't take anything away from swtor at all in reality, they had one of the biggest developement teams ever working full time for years and they made a bad mmo. It's not like those devs stopped making the game in order to watch an actor record VO.
/sarcasm on
Shocking News: ESO will have pvp!
The game could sooo rock, if they did not waste money on pvp!
/sarcasm off
Seriously, guys. Stop thinking VO are expensive enough to stop anything else from being done. Unless they plan on recruiting some A promis for like 10.000 / hour i am sure the coffee during develeopment will be more expensive.
MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.
Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?