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Originally posted by Krashner What happens when it's not just fluff items? Would it still be ok if there were special dungeons that only people who went to a convention could ever experience?
What if they add items that can blow everyone up on the server!!!
what if ( or it's like ), is never a good argument for or against something.
Originally posted by Krashner I used to play WoW and I still wish I could have gotten Grunty, unfortunately for me I coulnd't afford to go to Blizzcon. Does that mean that no matter what I do in game that I don't deserve that pet? I can never earn it, not even if I somehow solo Arthas riding Deathwingwith my bare hands while blindfolded? Somehow doing that doesn't earn it, but having throw away cash and spare time does?
You don't see that as an odd level of entitlement? That somehow you should be able to own the special item they got for going to Blizzcon? It's the Blizzcon item. There's tons of other pets you can get, but you feel that its value to you is more important than its value to the people that bought tickets for and traveled to Blizzcon. Basically, you don't care that they value the item they got and you don't care that giving it away in game either free or for the most ridiculous grind in history would devalue the item they got. Those are not important to you because you feel that you deserve some way in which you can get it. You feel that you have a right to be able to claim that exclusive event item.
And that's not a sense of entitlement?
"The reward for buying a lifetime sub is having a LIFETIME SUB, wanting anything else with it is entitlement."
Ok, half the problem here is obviously that you don't even know what that word means. The Borg skin came with the lifetime sub. No one asked the devs to add it and no one said they were owed a Borg skin. On the other hand, you are saying you are entitled to access to exclusive items.
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Originally posted by Sijjistoryus Perhaps it's just my persona, but I don't like it when I see items that I cannot possibly get. I don't "need" the item or anything, but I feel like there is a part of the game that is missing. I have fun collecting items. I don't know why. I simply believe that all in-game items should be earned and obtain in the game.
Agree completely with what I highlighted red.
It still doesn't bother me if other people might have obtained items I can not get ingame, aslong it doesn't lesson my enjoyment or hinders my gameplay.
Originally posted by DamonVile Originally posted by Krashner What happens when it's not just fluff items? Would it still be ok if there were special dungeons that only people who went to a convention could ever experience?
Unless there were secret invitations sent out, you had the same opportunity as anyone else to get the goodies. (However, I have never seen any gift items in any game that gave any real advantage. But, I digress.) If there were preorder rewards, you could have preordered as well. Etc.
Hedonismbot: Your latest performance was as delectable as dipping my bottom over and over into a bath of the silkiest oils and creams.
It doesn't bother me too much when people have pre-order exclusives and such. 99% of the time, the advantages aren't that big. Oftenly it's best for very early character stages. At best, it's some cool appearance deal.
What I *do* have a problem with is the increasingly ridiculous store-specific bonuses. I'm an old fashioned guy I guess, but I prefer one, straight special deal all across the board for those preorders.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
Do players in modern easy MMO's stand around long enough or even look at each other long enough to see someone else has something like that?
You got an exclusive Citadel? So what I am leveling ffs.
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Originally posted by Krashner Originally posted by Aerowyn Originally posted by Krashner Originally posted by Aerowyn not at all.. i never understood the I should be entitiled to everything mentallity really takes away from ever having a chance to feel somewhat unique.. only time I have an issue is when you can buy overpowered items with cash.. aside from that i could care less
I truly fail to see how wanting to earn something is entitlement.
because what ends up happening is everyone bitches then the game starts giving things away for nothing and takes any sort of uniqueness out of it.. happens all the time.. more ways to make your character look unique the better imho.. but like I said if they are selling OP items for cash then I see it as a real issue..
I'm all for uniqueness, but I payed $60 plus whatever the monthly fee is, I want access to ALL the content and not just most of it. If it's a f2p game then fine, do whatever. I'm not saying they should give anything away for free, but there should be a way to earn any item in the game be it from dungons, auction house, cash shop or random drops.
I honestly don't care what other people have in game and the stuff I want for my character isn't because it's rare or exclusive, it's because for whatever reason, generally looks, I like that particular item. People need to stop defending exclusive content because when games add it we all lose. It doesn't matter if it's just a stupid hat that nobody likes, or an awesome skin that every one wants. What happens when it's not just fluff items? Would it still be ok if there were special dungeons that only people who went to a convention could ever experience?
i actually could care less..MMOs have soo much content in general I don't ever usually end up seeing or doing it all anyway.. issue for me with something like that is it would take people away from the rest and make less to group with.. that would be my issue not the fact I couldn't do the dungeon.. but again like i said as long as they aren't seeling exclusive OP items I really dont care.. say the game held a contest and the winner got an exclusive cosmetic item.. should you be entitled to that item just because you didn't win or participate in the contest?
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Originally posted by Scot Do players in modern easy MMO's stand around long enough or even look at each other long enough to see someone else has something like that?
Did they, in fact, ever?
Collecting Trophies in the hope that you will some day be admired (by anyone over the age of 13) for them is... well... rather a long shot at best.
It does sell an awful lot of cash shop goodies, though.
Equal quatities of derision / admiration? Sparkle Ponies?
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Looking at others and wishing I had what they had in game and in real life is a waste of time. You do not get it by wishing so why bother. If I happen to get something a rare drop I end up weighing selling it and using the money instead of opting for the cool look myself. I doubt I am one of those people who truly can summon up enough envy to matter. Even in real life I have friends who can afford very nice things but I have never wished I was them. I am so very glad I do not covet because it causes so much unnecessary jealousy and what for really. Went with a friend to a store that sells Birken bags she probably took me to impress me but not even for a single second did I want that ugly bag for myself and could never see myself spending my money on anything so superficial. I love some things like a new computer and I strive to get them if I can but to envy ..nah not worth my time or feelings.
Actually like what Icewhite says many times I do not even notice what other people own in game. The person might be thinking standing there with their "oh so hard to get item" in full display everyone passing sees them when perhaps only a fraction does ; most just pass by and probably do not take in the details because they're busy with their own thoughts and goals. The only time I envied someone was in Everquest 2 when I wanted to get some very nice furniture made and I wanted some gem someone else rolled and got and for a second it upset me then I just moved on and decided to try to design something with what I had. I always do that even in real life I make do with I have and make the most of what I am able to earn and obtain myself even if in someone else's eyes it was a paltry thing .
Originally posted by Icewhite Originally posted by Scot Do players in modern easy MMO's stand around long enough or even look at each other long enough to see someone else has something like that?
This happened routinely in vanilla WOW. Anytime I got some piece of gear that came from the higher tiers of raiding (and thus not common), I'd have a flood of /whispers asking me what it is. And not just standing around in Ironforge, but while I was out farming as well.
On Topic, yes, it does bother me on principle. Meaning, I have no interest in the gear they have, but the fact that you can have exclusive gear without having to earn it in-game goes against what I expect from RPG gaming.
Yeah, this line of reasoning is a bit of a cliché, but I think they become cliché for a reason.
Concentrate on enjoying yourself, and not on why I shouldn't enjoy myself.
I myself have bought MANY a 7-11 cup just to get a code for some "free" worthless crap.
Life is Short, Read a Book.
Originally posted by Nikopol This happened routinely in vanilla WOW. Anytime I got some piece of gear that came from the higher tiers of raiding (and thus not common), I'd have a flood of /whispers asking me what it is. And not just standing around in Ironforge, but while I was out farming as well.
I take it you were quite upset the first time an expansion (BC for example) turned those shining platinum symbols of your prowess to worthless tin.
Originally posted by botrytis no and I didnt even read the thread title - it looked like a rant.
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Originally posted by Icewhite Originally posted by Nikopol This happened routinely in vanilla WOW. Anytime I got some piece of gear that came from the higher tiers of raiding (and thus not common), I'd have a flood of /whispers asking me what it is. And not just standing around in Ironforge, but while I was out farming as well.
I literally thought people were going put a drill to their temple during that period.
Ironically...the cat the raged the most was the one who would stand on the Ironforge bridge like a statue...
Honestly, I was never in it for the gear. I used to /pass gear for others all the time. We all did. I played for playing with friends (mostly real life ones) and gear was just something that helped us get to the next bit of content.
Plus, raid gear is never symbols of one's prowess, but that of the raid's - though I'm sure you already knew that, but were just in the mood for a predictable jab.
I did play WOW after the vanilla phase, quite a bit, too, and had my gear "turn to worthless tin" many times over. It's a natural part of any gear progression game. I'm totally OK with that.
Originally posted by daltanious Originally posted by botrytis no and I didnt even read the thread title - it looked like a rant.
No,but people that can't even read one line of text annoy me.
Gnome Wankers two.After the events of 18/07/2015 i fucking hate anyone that has anything to do with skyforge
Hell yeah I would be envious! If someone told me years ago while I was playing WoW that the badass set of Judgement Armor:
was only available for those that attended Blizzcon, I would be like: "Oh hell no!" And for those that say they would not feel even a tinge of envy, it's obvious that they have yet to find something to be envious of. Whether it be in games or real life. A little bit of envy is not bad thing. How you harness it is where the problem lies. Some could use it as a motivator to push themselves a little harder, while others could use it as a reason to break people down.
But let's not fool ourselves here, the very reason that mmorpgs (or any game for that matter) are created is to invoke the 7 deadly sins that exist in all players. And in most (but not all) cases, the primary sins developers are looking to invoke are the ones that have us reaching into our back pockets.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
"This happened routinely in vanilla WOW. Anytime I got some piece of gear that came from the higher tiers of raiding (and thus not common), I'd have a flood of /whispers asking me what it is. And not just standing around in Ironforge, but while I was out farming as well."
I can understand players whispering you about raid gear. Thats not the same as stuff you buy in a shop on pre-order, you are not going to get people asking you how on earth you managed to get that so fast.
Here's an example that I honestly experienced:
A few weeks before Warhammer Online launched, I had attended one of their pre-launch conventions. I lived fairly close, was interested in the game, and knew that any extra codes could be sold via eBay.
I attended. I talked to one of the developers (the one handing out an endless supply codes). I asked him for more. He gave me a handfull!
I claimed one of the codes for myself. I sold the rest on eBay for around $300 per code. They sold within hours.
The game launches. The code that I was given gave me the ability to turn my character into some type of humanoid rat (pretty heavy with the WAR lore - Skaven). I did this. While I was walking around town, I had gotten bombarded with messages, e.g., "How the heck did you do that?!?", "What?!?", "What quest gives you the rat?!?", "Interested in selling!??"
Most of them were upset when I had told them that the only way to obtain this was to attend a pre-release convention.
Moreover, this has nothing to do with socialism or whatever else most people are crying about. If you want a cool item, then go and earn it in the game - not outside it. It was lame that I was able to be semi-iconic simply because I lived close to the convention.