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TESO most likely fail
FateFatality
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Title says it all.. it's doomed to fail, a single player sandbox game turned into theme-park MMO with no sandbox element at all.. on top of that focus too much on pvp and not enough what Elder scrolls games are about. honestly graphics look crap to eastern mmo's, they have it right UE3+ engine is way to go then i'l be looking at teso if that was case and real combat.
This is another stwor stunt and another WoW clone, its very clear when CGI is all great and gameplay/combat looks stale. tab targeting combat its not actions or real it is tab targeting and i'm elder scrolls fan have been since forever this is really annoying me to no end.
that this game is hyped and hyped yet its all very obvious to peoples faces, that its not going be good at all just look at the information everything has been done before what makes you think this game be any different to rest of pile of crap MMO's been out? it just be shelved to corner and aged i'm sick of the same BS time and time same crap i'm over it western MMO's suck.
Don't get me wrong eastern are grind fest so they suck as well they all suck just SUCKY!. the whole gaming industry has turn into money grab fest they pulling Blizzard/Activation with CoD Franchise make same crap . im annoyed with TESO i'm annoyed with gaming industry and were its heading paying for DLC's LIKE WTF!!!! and asking for sub and then going f2p LIKE WHAT THE HELL~~~!~@#!@#
its clear its money grab and nothing more stop buying games and only buy the few gems that do make good games (witcher 2 anyone? the developer team for that game needs more credit ) . No more MMO's No MORE!! make a Good game or leave gaming industry.
This is my rant sorry for getting carried away
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yes it is it
I ll stick with TES SP games they are great...prolly I ll give chance ESO but not sure,yet...too much limitations,for now what know about ESO it is not TES open world gameplay with nolimit explorations.
money grab indeed with a good ip
they use the words differently in every element this game offers.. but basicly offering the same as any other mmo..
they call open world pvp.. yet its limited to 2k players..
simple example..
yeah TES SP is way to go honestly but lately even besthda latest tes skyrim was decent nothing awsome story was medicore at best, what i suggest is reading up on witcher 3 they going take best of TES franchise and then some and then make it better
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-18-witcher-3-dev-says-skyrims-story-and-quests-were-generic
To be perfectly honest, I thought my eyes were going to bleed and my brain explode by the time I read your post. Quite the wall of text there you have.
However, I actually agree with a lot of what you said but I still prefer the Western style MMO's over the Eastern style ones. The Eastern ones tend to go into massive grind fests, weapons the size of buildings, overly colorful and "exotic / unrealistic" armor types and things of that nature. If I was a Women warrior in any of those Eastern MMO's then I would "NOT" want to be protected by a piece of shere glittery fabric that would not cover the face of a postage stamp while I wade into battle. The Western MMO's are not much better but they at least they give a decent amount of protection where it needs it. All players are not prepubescent boys oogling over pixels on their screens.
The players in the MMO market is in it for only one thing "Money". While this was true early on, these days it's also "How soon can we push this piece of garbarge code out the door to start the money rolling in, after all we can fix it later." Once they have they initial influx of cash they now tend to try to rake it in as fast and as much as they can then open up cash shops to compensate for short commings they intentially built into thier game. Then eventually turn the whole thing into ftp with cash shop items that you would have to purchase if you even wanted a chance to see all the content that you had already paid for.
Well.... seems like I'm ranting myself so I'll close it out here...
Your not alone in your frustrations.
Ratero.
Well i don't think that you can make MMO vhich will be same as TES SP games ... it would be unplayable. But i would like to know why you think it will be wow clone .... most gameplay mechanics will be diferent. There even wont be hard lock tab-targeting. There will be crasshair like in tes games ... soft lock and arcing arrows had to be made due to latency. I think that there will be sandbox elements. Like all that caves and small dungeons you can randomly find. And its class system looks promissing.
I don't think that game has to be all new and revolutionary to be sccesfull, it have to be polished and completed. I don't think that it will be new wow, but it has chance to be succesfull. We'll se in beta.
And western games arent? Sure western games allow you to rush to max level in a few days (which is bad in my opinion), but nonetheless, you are grinding at end game. Makes no difference grind to max or grind for tokens for armor or forced to do dailies or raids for content. Same thing. But the grind for armor, weapons, etc to me is far worse when western games offer very little to no end game. Some of the worst end game grindfests i have ever played were western games, tend to get bored and quit.
These forums seem to get more and more a platform for endless flaming about everything.
We have only little information about this game yet. Give it a chance. Maybe it turns out to be better, than many think. I have the impression, that after some years where playing an MMO meant everything to a lot of players (like a marriage), they now are frustrated, that these times are over and blame every new one.
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This topic again?
Why ?
I did not say they were... you apparently did not continue reading my post. Not that it matters much, I did not continue with the differences since the post was beginning to be a bit long in the tooth so I cut it short where I did.
I long for the days when playing a game like "Kingdom of Drakkar" or "Legends of Kesmai" where it took you several years to get even close to a max level character. These days it's way to easy in my opinion but that is what people want so that is what developers give them.
Ratero.
Why not? more people that stop buying the better it be and more the developers need start listening and do something different and try and not just make broken games and cater to the masses. useing name Elder scrolls to get mass elder scrolls fan then using word action combat... suposbly to get people that like that. then MMO crowed that jump on newest and greatest then engine that scales down to suit crap pc's so they can have more players join again.... trying get mass people to get mass money grab there much more then just what i mentioned .
look at STWOR and then Bioware prime example using a respected company turning it to crap and useing well known franchise starwars DUH!!!
The SP games might generate maybe $30 pack to Zenimax / Bethesda per retail sale, whereas a yearly subscriber would fork over an excess of $200 in sales annually.
Blizzard's billion-dollar-a-year business model is just too tempting to resist. Unfortunately, a really good IP has to get shoe horned into a game with a broader audience appeal, which ends up watering everything down, modern mainstream MMO style.
It's true it's too soon to tell if TESO will be any good, but many people are disliking what they do know about the game so far. PVP centric in a PVE game that segregates factions, non open-world, limited game world compared to WoW Vanilla, no weapons in 1st person mode, and so on. So I'd say complaints are fair thus far, and concerns are warranted.
Graphics look good, which will attract certain types of players. Those not looking for much depth in their games perhaps? This game will hit it big or completely miss the mark - can't wait to see which it will be!
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OP your reasons are not the ones i see.. the sandbox one doesn't = fail, just differences.
IMO is its combat as #1 and #2 and #3-10 its looks pretty dam weak, and i really love the concepts behind the game but combat looks bad. I also wonder about class progression, well see tho.
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I think you are slightly mistaken. TESO issues are not that it might be a bad MMO, it's that it might be a really crappy Elder Scrolls game. This is the difference between taking a book/movie IP and turning it into a MMO (in this case the settings fidelity is the main thing to worry about), making a new IP for a MMO (the game get judged on gameplay only) and using an existing game franchise IP (the game get judged to the other games in the franchise).
TESO isn't going to be compared to WoW, SWTOR, RIFT, etc. It's going to be compared to Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim. People will buy TESO simply because it have Elder Scrolls in the title, not because it's a MMO with RvR.
An other prophet yet ?
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What if I told you I think all Eastern MMO's look and play like crap? Then it all just becomes opinion now doesnt it.
Thanks for you opinion.
:pulls up a soap box:
:climbs aboard:
Ahem.
I just want to go on record, officially, as declaring that all unreleased games, now or in the future, tne present, or the past will most likly fail. And Doom, and stuff. This is an indeputable fact, because I have just told you it is.
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I can now conclude that this valuable and crucial community service is complete. Hail unto me. And doom, and stuff.
This has been my rant, sorry for getting carried away. Thank you.
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Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Yep ... and it is sad. Because many people who hate TESO are not interested in MMO in general. Well no problem for them they can just wait for another SP TES game. Problem is many people who wants Skyrim multiplayer ant they think that this game will be it. .... well it is not gona happen, it even can't be done. You can't make MMO with SP mechanics ... you are limited by internet infrastructure. I even think that seamless open world is impossible with graphics and systems of a modern MMO.
This game will be MMO in elders scrolls universe ... it won't be multiplayer version of skyrim.
I'm pretty sure you can't translate the unique Wacraft RTS experience into a succesful Everquest MMO rip-off either.
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"this game looks like crap?"