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Originally posted by Vesavius Originally posted by Nanfoodle Originally posted by Vesavius Originally posted by Nanfoodle Originally posted by Vesavius Originally posted by Nanfoodle Originally posted by Vesavius "This seems a bit odd as most of the market is leaning towards the F2P micro-transaction model and it didn’t really do them much good last time around.." oh ffs.. give it a rest eh? First off, no it dosent seem 'strange'. Over half the market is still pure sub based in terms of players, and it is waaay more then that in terms of payers. Plus look at what all the converted 'F2P' MMOs offer... oh yeah, a sub... It's enduring appeal is clear. FFXIV will do just fine on a sub. It's far better to cater to the needs of a niche of paying customers than trying to appeal to the entitled squalling masses of 'F2P' and all the baggage they bring. The revenue model *was not the issue* the first time round. It neither hurt them or hindered them. It had nothing to do with why the game failed for so many. Being F2P would *not* have made the game any better. It was irrelevant, so it not having it this is not 'strange'. Does every article on every sub game here have to continously include the mention of goddam F2P? It's not like you feel the need to wistfully wonder why every crappy original F2P title dosen't have a sub or consider that fact 'strange', despite the facts above. Lets stop this lazy bubble thinking with regards to subs and cash shop gaming from the writters for this site and maybe we can stop writing these kind of repetitive posts (and also questioning the potential agenda at work around here).
Sure it should. The MMO market is changing. 15 bucks a month was worth it back in the day.../snip
I am not interested in a discussion about sub vs F2P here, I am simply saying that the sub is still still very strong and every game dosen't have to have 'F2P' to be successful. The continual pushing of the sub as something'strange' is the point, when it clearly has an enduring place in the market here.
Also if its not F2P or B2P I may not even try it, why? From what they have given in the past, I dont see if this game is worth my money. Give me a ricks free way to try it and they would win more customers and that makes for a more stable community. I am not actually against free trials of games, but you don't need to have 'F2P' to do that. I will also say that if you don't know enough about a game by launch these days as to it's quality of a game and it's suitability to you then maybe you should read a bit on the interweb before purchase. It's not like we are drowned in info, official and not so official, before launch these days or anything...
Also if its not F2P or B2P I may not even try it, why? From what they have given in the past, I dont see if this game is worth my money. Give me a ricks free way to try it and they would win more customers and that makes for a more stable community.
Trials dont do it for me. Here look at the first 20 levels and now buy my game lol. We MMOers know we dont know the game till we have lived in the elder game for at least a few months. Never seen a trial give a good picture of a MMO.
oh boy... we got a freeloader here. You don't want to throw the company any money 'for months'? Months?
Look, maybe this game just isn't for you, and it's time to start looking at one that is? I can't see SE missing your (non existant) revenue really tbh. They obviously just prefer paying customers at this point and I can't say I blame 'em.
No freeloader, been MMOing as long as anyone can. Because IMO and for many, 15 bucks a month is not a current market value
well, millions disagree, because millions obviously think it is.
Look, you like playing games for 'months' for free (your words), I get that, but what I am saying is three things...
1. The sub model is desired in the modern market, it is valid, and it offers another section of players what they want. The evidence is overwhelming that it is an enduring robust revenue model that the Western market needs to survive.
2. This website needs to start portraying the sub model as a valid and modern choice, because that's exactly what it is, and stop trying to promote the feckless thinking that cash shops are somehow more 'futuristic'. One has to wonder what the drive is in this in fact... What is there to gain by relentessly reinforcing a certain perception in a commercial environment?
3. It's not all about you bro.
That all aside, right now SE has to ask themselves one set of questions.... who do I want playing my game? Noisy demanding freeloaders that want to play for *months* for free, who will probably leave once paying becomes required, or do I want a smaller *paying* player base that will most liely be far less transient and more invested in what we are doing?
I am proud of them for choosing the latter.
There are plenty of so called 'F2P' games out there for you. Go play 'em.
Going for the record of the longest quoted post
and need more green text - has been lacking a bit in recent replies
Pay to play=a big turn off.
No need to know more
Free to play: expensive to have access to all content, updates focused on shops and vanity instead gameplay content, pay to unlock storage, pay to unlock inventory, pay to can mount, pay to can fly, pay to unlock skillbars, pay to have housing, pay to unlock advanced classes, pay to unlock special race, pay to change your hair, style, pay to unlock wardrove/vanity gear system, ETC.
Monthly fee: 9.99€ to have access to all. Updates focused on Content and not on shop items.
Free to play is only good for these who want to test the game and are not interested in endgame content, raid, pvp, etc.
I never played the first FF14 but heard alot of gripes about it. Square-Enix took the time and reworked this game and its now A Realm Reborn. To give it negative feedback before even trying it is pathetic. as far a it being subscrition based.. well i forked over 1600 dollars to Blizzard to play WoW and so feel that if the developers of FFXIV:ARR took the time and patience to fix thier game then players should give them a chance. how many other developers have released crappy games and never bothered to go back and fix thier mistakes.
Give Square Enix another chance folks at least they put for the effort to fix thier game. thats more than i can say for WOW, GW2, STO, SW:TOR, or any other 100 games over the last 20 years. Maybe for once Square Enix will set a precedence. Knocking it because they messed up once doesnt mean they cant fix thier mistakes and from what ive seen and heard this game seems like it might actually be worth trying out.
Played: UO, LotR, WoW, SWG, DDO, AoC, EVE, Warhammer, TF2, EQ2, SWTOR, TSW, CSS, KF, L4D, AoW, WoT
Playing: The Secret World until Citadel of Sorcery goes into Alpha testing.
Tired of: Linear quest games, dailies, and dumbed down games
Anticipating:Citadel of Sorcery
Originally posted by Murugan Originally posted by ICEBLUE What strikes me odd is the fact that no real consideration is being given to those of us who invested in the box the last time. I have a the colectors box of all things, hehe. When registering for Beta they dont seem to consider this, you would think they would ask former purchasers into beta before opening it up to new players interested in jus ttaking a look at it.. I guess we wait and see how it goes.
I have no idea how you missed this, unless this (pretty lackluster) article is the only thing you ahve read on FFXIV in the past year but....
Anyone who invested in the box got:
-Over a year of free playtime in 1.0 to see the new teams changes.
-In Closed Beta as of phase 3 (first 2 are Gridania only)
-Free copy of ARR
-30 Days free after the official launch (on top of however long beta 3 and 4 last)
So yes they did give real consideration to those of us who invested in the box last time.
Also peopel who subscribed to FFXIV v1 for 90 days or more got into version one of the beta, their names in the credits (if they wanted), and a lifetime discount on the subscription.
Sorry what A "free copy of ARR" ? Er no.. I think you will find we all Purchased FFXIV. And for a lot more then it will cost for RR for people who did not.
Our copy of FFXIV : RR is in "NO WAY" free. There is NO WAY they could ever have gotten away with charging people who had ALREADY bought the game again for the non beta version of their game.
FFXIV was a rushed out beta and was a mess, FFXIV : RR is us getting exactly what we paid for, as is the 30 days subscription.
The people who bought FFXIV on launch get "NOTHING" extra, they get their game and the 30 days they paid for when they bought it, and that is it. Stop acting like we are getting something for free.
The only people who get "anything" are the people who paid for 3 months of an unfinished game after the initial year of paid for beta.
Originally posted by Vorthanion I need into the beta or a free trial before I will consider this game again.
This little tid bit seems to have been lost in the Sea of Information about ARR but I just thought you and everyone else on MMORPG.com should know:
Beta Phase 4 is an Open Beta of the Full Client with No NDA. Everyone and Anyone who wants to try out this game before they commit will have the Chance to Play for Free.
Originally posted by TribeofOne i cant wait. This is what FF14 should've been from the start and I'm looking forward to jumping in!
Count me in. :-)
Originally posted by Vesavius FFXIV will do just fine on a sub. It's far better to cater to the needs of a niche of paying customers than trying to appeal to the entitled squalling masses of 'F2P' and all the baggage they bring. The revenue model *was not the issue* the first time round. It neither hurt them or hindered them. It had nothing to do with why the game failed for so many. Being F2P would *not* have made the game any better. It was irrelevant, so it not having it this time is not 'strange'.
So yes they did give real consideration to those of us who invested in the box last time.
Since I've been living under a rock in regards to FFXIV ...where can I find the info on this?
Originally posted by jctop Also, since I've found a couple of references to original players getting ARR for free, and access to betas and whatnot, how do you actually opt-in , get the download (when it's released) , etc. I logged into my account on line, and didn't see any reference to any of the inclusions.
No need to opt in.
Here you have the original announcement of 2.0
Originally posted by http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/teaser/ The New FINAL FANTASY XIV and the PlayStation®3 System Version Between October and December of 2012, we plan to integrate the current service and the coming PlayStation®3 version into the all-new FINAL FANTASY XIV. At this time, a second free trial period will also be offered. Among our new plans is the fundamental reworking of in-game maps. As part of this process, there will be a period required for switching over to a new client and new servers, after which there will be a large transfer of data when service is brought back online. After the new client is completed, new software for the PC version will be distributed online, and can be acquired free of charge. Character data and progress for players already playing the PC version will also be preserved, allowing those players to continue using their in-game avatars. Another announcement will be made in the future as the day on which the new FINAL FANTASY XIV software will become available for download draws near, and the PlayStation®3 system version officially released.
The dates are obviously wrong, but it still applies.
This updated roadmap outlines when you get into the beta (phase 3 automatically).
The beta roadmap outlines when you will be accepted into beta, you will want to double check the email you have registered on your account to make sure it is up to date so you get the email (if you don't you can contact them and they will sort it out).
For almost two years there was a big banner on the lodestone that outlined all the specifics of how they were handling original purchasers. It had info in it on version 1 and the extended free period etc., but they have since taken it down to advertise ARR. Anyways you don't need to opt in though, everyone gets a copy (digitally most likely, but all MMO's are digital now even most boxed sales)
I'll have to see others play it and spend money on it to believe it!
If it turns out to be what FFXI should have been from the start but did not become until decades after it was too late and what I, personally, invisioned the ultimate FF experience to be then, and only then, will I give it one more try.
iGs is The Best!
Reading some of the negative replies in this thread and the self entitlements just shows how much they even bothered to read about FFXIV ARR.
I'll be cautiously optimistic for this title.
The gameplay looks much better. Still a little too much like WoW, if the global cooldown was 3 seconds rather than 1.5, but it does seem like you aren't just staring at your character for 14 out of 15 seconds like that abomination this game was before.
I bought the original FFXIV and it was the worst MMO I have ever played. I loved FFXI too, so I was expecting many things to be the Japanese/Square way, but it was just that the game was wrong in every way possible.
In this article the person says, "While combat carries out in the same traditional ways you’re used to"
That is enough for me to say, I will skip this game. The combat was horrible, all they did was add new animations and make them not take as long, who cares, its just still boring combat but less time per fight.
I feel sorry for theses guys really.......they must have spent a fortubne to re-launch and its going to fail hardser this time around.
You can play Tera for free and it has great graphics, better combat, cgi movies throughout, and is a better overall game made for PC and also has controller option, but with actual fast paced combat that can make use of it.
I will try this beta since I guess we are supposed to get in if we already bought the original, but it would be the surprise of my life if it changed my mind.
GAME TIL YOU DIE!!!!
Originally posted by khameleon I bought the original FFXIV and it was the worst MMO I have ever played. I loved FFXI too, so I was expecting many things to be the Japanese/Square way, but it was just that the game was wrong in every way possible. In this article the person says, "While combat carries out in the same traditional ways you’re used to" That is enough for me to say, I will skip this game. The combat was horrible, all they did was add new animations and make them not take as long, who cares, its just still boring combat but less time per fight. I feel sorry for theses guys really.......they must have spent a fortubne to re-launch and its going to fail hardser this time around. You can play Tera for free and it has great graphics, better combat, cgi movies throughout, and is a better overall game made for PC and also has controller option, but with actual fast paced combat that can make use of it. I will try this beta since I guess we are supposed to get in if we already bought the original, but it would be the surprise of my life if it changed my mind.
This article is one of the worst at actually conveying any of the changes. The combat system has been completely overhauled... I suggest you go read the preview at Massively as that one actually goes into detail on the changes.
I find it bizarre that you said you loved FFXI, hated FFXIV and then recommend Tera though... if Tera is your kind of game, and you hated XIV's combat then how the hell did you enjoy XI? The FF games have always been about slow tactical combat, including XI, so it sounds more to me like you're following the wrong franchise...