Originally posted by Heafstagg Nope, not at all. I suppose it's because I'm not from the "everyone and everything must be equal or else nobody gets it" generation. My daughters are in school right now and that's all they preach to them. Nothing like raising a society of wussies. Can you imagine some of these people grown up whining to thier boss that someone else has coffee and they don't? Yeaaahhh that's not going to work. If there's no incentive to get something that somebody else wants, there's no incentive to improve yourself or society.
You are so beyond the line that it's not even funny.
All in-game items should be obtained through in-game work. How is that socialism?
It's not a make-or-break issue, but cross-promotions, cash shops and veteran perks all fall into a category of things that demotivate me a little or make me not want to associate with the people who have them.
Originally posted by Heafstagg Nope, not at all. I suppose it's because I'm not from the "everyone and everything must be equal or else nobody gets it" generation. My daughters are in school right now and that's all they preach to them. Nothing like raising a society of wussies. Can you imagine some of these people grown up whining to thier boss that someone else has coffee and they don't? Yeaaahhh that's not going to work.
I honestly feel sorry for the children and the rude awakening they will be in for at some point down the road. They don't even know at this point because it's been completely driven into their heads.
Exactly, I've been doing my best to teach my daughters that it's not the right way of thinking. There's a girl in one of my daughters classes that's alergic to milk, therefore nobody in the class can have milk. That's how stupid it's becoming.
That is absolutely mind blowing. I hadn't heard of something like that actually happening, but I kind of figured it would end this way.
It really doesn't surprise me now that I think about it.
What if it's not the fairness thing as you describe, but the allergic milk girl's parents are so over-protective that they are the ones that did it to the whole class to protect their one child? For some reason I see parents as being the villains and Teacher's as having common sense.
You do realize that some food allergies are life threatening to the people involved? So these parents are villians perhaps for trying to keep their daughter from dying?
I have a co-worker who has an allergy to corn products, and it literally almost killed him before they managed to identify the problem. Now if he even gets a wif of popcorn from the microwaves it makes him physically ill, so we all agreed to not cook popcorn on the floor in consideration of his issue.
Who really is being the entitled ones here?
Oh yeah, and about the OP, I only get mild annoyed when people get those items that I can't, but usually they are never so great that I'm really feeling all that put out.
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Does it ever bother you to see someone using an item that you cannot get due to the following:
Convention Items: In-game items given to people who attended a convention, e.g., Blizzcon, Warhammer Tournament, etc.
Cross-Promotion Items: In-game item give to people who purchased other games from the same company, e.g., Purchasing Red Alert III's Collector's Edition will grant your Warhammer Character a rare hat that will turn you into a bear.
Founder's Pack Rewards: In-game items for purchasing a variety of Founder Packs (usually $25-$500-$1,000).
Pre-Order Rewards: In-game capes, mounts, or items for pre-ordering the game (sometimes different reward per vendor).
Collector's Edition Items: In-game item for purchasing a Collector's Edition, e.g., SWTOR's $150.00 CE granting access to a CE store, pets, etc.
Contests: In-game items that are won via drawing or screenshot contest etc.
3rd-Party Websites: Joining the developer's facebook page before launch date will give you an in-game item code etc.
No. However it does bother when it seems the game creators have spent more of their time and effort creating this needless fluff than on the game itself. STO at launch I feel is a perfect example of this type of behavior.
If you dont do stupid things while youre young, youll have nothing to smile about when youre old.
Originally posted by Heafstagg Nope, not at all. I suppose it's because I'm not from the "everyone and everything must be equal or else nobody gets it" generation. My daughters are in school right now and that's all they preach to them. Nothing like raising a society of wussies. Can you imagine some of these people grown up whining to thier boss that someone else has coffee and they don't? Yeaaahhh that's not going to work.
I honestly feel sorry for the children and the rude awakening they will be in for at some point down the road. They don't even know at this point because it's been completely driven into their heads.
Exactly, I've been doing my best to teach my daughters that it's not the right way of thinking. There's a girl in one of my daughters classes that's alergic to milk, therefore nobody in the class can have milk. That's how stupid it's becoming.
That is absolutely mind blowing. I hadn't heard of something like that actually happening, but I kind of figured it would end this way.
It really doesn't surprise me now that I think about it.
What if it's not the fairness thing as you describe, but the allergic milk girl's parents are so over-protective that they are the ones that did it to the whole class to protect their one child? For some reason I see parents as being the villains and Teacher's as having common sense.
You do realize that some food allergies are life threatening to the people involved? So these parents are villians perhaps for trying to keep their daughter from dying?
I have a co-worker who has an allergy to corn products, and it literally almost killed him before they managed to identify the problem. Now if he even gets a wif of popcorn from the microwaves it makes him physically ill, so we all agreed to not cook popcorn on the floor in consideration of his issue.
Who really is being the entitled ones here?
Oh yeah, and about the OP, I only get mild annoyed when people get those items that I can't, but usually they are never so great that I'm really feeling all that put out.
Obviously you didn't read my post afterwards about the allergy being NOT life threating. I don't see how my view could be regarded as socialism either..wtf lol. Some people.
Originally posted by Eivi It annoyed me in SWTOR for some reason, made me upgrade to digital deluxe. Saying that, i did quit the game a couple of weeks later, so wasted money all round.
lol...
I am not bothered by what people have in the game because no promotion item gives anyone an edge, its all fluff items that only have value to he individual.
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Nope, I don't care about those at all. As long as those are purley vanity stuff that doesn't affect balance it's perfectly fine. People seem to enjoy that kind of swag so don't see why developers shouldn't do it. It doesn't hurt anyone.
Personally, even when I have pre-order minipets or whatever I forget about using them anyway and they just end up clogging mule alt/bank space.
I actually think it's kinda cool to see that stuff.
Does it bother you? If so, does it also bother you when you see that stuff in real life, as well?
No. It doesn't bother me at all in real life. Gaming is not life.
But it bothers you in game that someone got a pink virtual hat for going to an expo?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I actually think it's kinda cool to see that stuff.
Does it bother you? If so, does it also bother you when you see that stuff in real life, as well?
No. It doesn't bother me at all in real life. Gaming is not life.
But it bothers you in game that someone got a pink virtual hat for going to an expo?
A pink hat? No. But we both know that that is rarely the case.
Having the Black Spider-Man suit? Yes.
Being able to play as a playable Borg via STO? Yes.
It took 10 pages, but we finally get to the heart of your issue - entitlement and the contention that others should not be allowed to have toys that you don't have.
EDIT: And, YES, a Borg skin is the same as a pink hat.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
In 15 years of online gaming there has never been an ingame item that I would even cross the road for. Fancy mount, shiny spaceship, bonus race to play, whatever... I couldn't care less. They're just pixels on a screen.
It doesn't bother me. I think pre-orders for sure should get something since they took a leap of faith to some degree. What would bother me is if an item was given as a reward for pre-order and then later ended up purchasable in the cash shop. .
I have never been bothered because I do not know what was obtained that way. if I see someone with a cool outfit or pet. . I think . . cool outfit or pet.
This is the same when I see an awesome car. . I think. . awesome car. I wish I had one but I don't care that the other guy does and I don't.
I have had a few people in Fallen Earth ask me where I got the horse. . they either say. . 'nice'. . 'lucky you' or 'cool'.
Originally posted by LoktofeitI actually think it's kinda cool to see that stuff.Does it bother you? If so, does it also bother you when you see that stuff in real life, as well?
No. It doesn't bother me at all in real life. Gaming is not life.
But it bothers you in game that someone got a pink virtual hat for going to an expo?
A pink hat? No. But we both know that that is rarely the case.Having the Black Spider-Man suit? Yes.Being able to play as a playable Borg via STO? Yes.
It took 10 pages, but we finally get to the heart of your issue - entitlement and the contention that others should not be allowed to have toys that you don't have.
EDIT: And, YES, a Borg skin is the same as a pink hat.
entitlement .. lol that word is really being used entirely too loosely in the MMO environment.
the idea of entitlement is used to describe drug addicts who are getting free drugs and medical care at the tax payers expense.
we are paying for a game and would PREFER that items available in game are available to everyone through in game progress.
we aren't talking about welfare epics where everyone is "entitled" (still not a very good use of the word) to top end gear even if they choose not to take part in a particular part of the game.
we are willing to work for it in game, I at least would be ecstatic if it were extremely rare and hard to get. I just think it's lame that I have to go to a convention that I would otherwise have little interest in going to if I want access to something.
I wouldn't even care if they were available at conventions or whatever as long as they were at least very difficultly attainable through ingame progress. which is why I ultimately bought GW2 anyway .. because at least there I can farm ludicrous amounts of gold and trade them for cash shop items.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
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Ever heard of an antique store? or a car show featuring cars from the 1970's? or... omg the list can go on forever!
Taru-Gallante-Blood elf-Elysean-Kelari-Crime Fighting-Imperial Agent
All of these things can be bought or stolen. This is not the case in a game.
Your list might go on forever, but every item on it is null and void.
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I know! The people who state yes will generally back it up with a statement. The people saying "no" are mostly getting all red-hot.
No. It doesn't bother me at all in real life. Gaming is not life.
You are so beyond the line that it's not even funny.
All in-game items should be obtained through in-game work. How is that socialism?
Yes.
It's not a make-or-break issue, but cross-promotions, cash shops and veteran perks all fall into a category of things that demotivate me a little or make me not want to associate with the people who have them.
You do realize that some food allergies are life threatening to the people involved? So these parents are villians perhaps for trying to keep their daughter from dying?
I have a co-worker who has an allergy to corn products, and it literally almost killed him before they managed to identify the problem. Now if he even gets a wif of popcorn from the microwaves it makes him physically ill, so we all agreed to not cook popcorn on the floor in consideration of his issue.
Who really is being the entitled ones here?
Oh yeah, and about the OP, I only get mild annoyed when people get those items that I can't, but usually they are never so great that I'm really feeling all that put out.
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I'm baffled at how we can get red hot over that doesn't bother us...
No. However it does bother when it seems the game creators have spent more of their time and effort creating this needless fluff than on the game itself. STO at launch I feel is a perfect example of this type of behavior.
If you dont do stupid things while youre young, youll have nothing to smile about when youre old.
Obviously you didn't read my post afterwards about the allergy being NOT life threating. I don't see how my view could be regarded as socialism either..wtf lol. Some people.
lol...
I am not bothered by what people have in the game because no promotion item gives anyone an edge, its all fluff items that only have value to he individual.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Nope, I don't care about those at all. As long as those are purley vanity stuff that doesn't affect balance it's perfectly fine. People seem to enjoy that kind of swag so don't see why developers shouldn't do it. It doesn't hurt anyone.
Personally, even when I have pre-order minipets or whatever I forget about using them anyway and they just end up clogging mule alt/bank space.
But it bothers you in game that someone got a pink virtual hat for going to an expo?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
A pink hat? No. But we both know that that is rarely the case.
Having the Black Spider-Man suit? Yes.
Being able to play as a playable Borg via STO? Yes.
I retired retroactively..Haha
It took 10 pages, but we finally get to the heart of your issue - entitlement and the contention that others should not be allowed to have toys that you don't have.
EDIT: And, YES, a Borg skin is the same as a pink hat.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
It doesn't bother me. I think pre-orders for sure should get something since they took a leap of faith to some degree. What would bother me is if an item was given as a reward for pre-order and then later ended up purchasable in the cash shop. .
I have never been bothered because I do not know what was obtained that way. if I see someone with a cool outfit or pet. . I think . . cool outfit or pet.
This is the same when I see an awesome car. . I think. . awesome car. I wish I had one but I don't care that the other guy does and I don't.
I have had a few people in Fallen Earth ask me where I got the horse. . they either say. . 'nice'. . 'lucky you' or 'cool'.
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that word is really being used entirely too loosely in the MMO environment.
the idea of entitlement is used to describe drug addicts who are getting free drugs and medical care at the tax payers expense.
we are paying for a game and would PREFER that items available in game are available to everyone through in game progress.
we aren't talking about welfare epics where everyone is "entitled" (still not a very good use of the word) to top end gear even if they choose not to take part in a particular part of the game.
we are willing to work for it in game, I at least would be ecstatic if it were extremely rare and hard to get. I just think it's lame that I have to go to a convention that I would otherwise have little interest in going to if I want access to something.
I wouldn't even care if they were available at conventions or whatever as long as they were at least very difficultly attainable through ingame progress. which is why I ultimately bought GW2 anyway .. because at least there I can farm ludicrous amounts of gold and trade them for cash shop items.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already