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  • ThandrasThandras Huntington, WVPosts: 41Member
    Originally posted by Maelwydd

    That quote about arseholes...not everyones does stink, only those that don't wash think that.

    It's your lie... tell it how you want too. It's just logical. If feces comes out of it... it's gonna stink. No matter how much you wash. Only a diluted person or someone with a personality disorder would think otherwise :)

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    "True tes fans"* don't need to poop


    * swg/eq/DF fans
  • ThandrasThandras Huntington, WVPosts: 41Member
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    "True tes fans"* don't need to poop


    * swg/eq/DF fans

    lol, okay... I surrender... no debating that logic

  • MaelwyddMaelwydd CrawleyPosts: 1,123Member
    You still think the quote/reply is about poop...sad sad people.
  • ThandrasThandras Huntington, WVPosts: 41Member
    Originally posted by Maelwydd
    You still think the quote/reply is about poop...sad sad people.

    lol, again. No, it's about opinions. Just like I originally intended it to be and it still stands. No matter how much you try to convice me of your opinion or vice versa, we will both they think the other stinks... Human nature

  • PyrateLVPyrateLV Las Vegas, NVPosts: 1,096Member Common
    Originally posted by immodium
    Originally posted by Maelwydd
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    I can think of 3 mmos that are based on single player prior games, uo, wow & swtor.

    One stuck hard to the original formula, the other two made mmos radically different to the single player games.

    Which one was the greatest financial disaster in gaming history?

    UO stuck to the same basic game design as the ultima series, may be wrrng never really got to try UO but from looking at the crappy youtube stuff then it certainly looks the same.

    WOW - Totally changed direction in their game design. Went from a RTS to MMO. Appealed to an entirely new audience and there really was no comparrison at all because the different franchises.

    SWTOR You could argue it tried to emulate the story driven KOTOR game but to behonest, if they had done taht it might have been more successful. Problem was, people were expecting KOTORO and didn't get it.

    So yes, SWTOR faied because it deviated from the fanbases expectations too much while remaining in pretty much the same genre to try and capture more players, losing their exisiting fanbase and not securing enough from the 'other' category.

    So...

    Using an IP, remaining in the same genre but changing large portions of gameplay to fit online mode = failure.

    Using an IP, keeping the basic structure of the game = Success.

    Using an IP, creating a totally new market in a completly unrelated genre = Success.

     

    Which is TESO again?

    What ESO is doing is chaging genres (SPRPG to MMORPG. they are two completely different genres).

    I know Bethesda are not making the game but they completely changed the game mechanics for TES: Redguard. That was a linear Tomb Raider style game. Why can't they do something different with ESO?

    They arent completely different genres. They are 2 subsets of the same genre. RPG.

    The only difference is that one is Single Player Offline and the other is Massive Multiplayer Online.

    The RPG part is the same

    A different genre would be a RTS and a RPG

     

    And TES:Redguard sucked. Probably for the exact reason that they tried to turn an open world Elder Scrolls RPG into a linear Tomb Raider TPS

    Zenimax isnt changing genres with ESO. They are taking an open world ES RPG and turning it into a linear Thempark DAOC2 MMORPG

     

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  • MaelwyddMaelwydd CrawleyPosts: 1,123Member
    Originally posted by Thandras
    Originally posted by Maelwydd
    You still think the quote/reply is about poop...sad sad people.

    lol, again. No, it's about opinions. Just like I originally intended it to be and it still stands. No matter how much you try to convice me of your opinion or vice versa, we will both they think the other stinks... Human nature

    Well if I agree with you does that mean logically your opinion is incorrect and so not all opinions stink? And if that is possible then perhaps if I disagree with you then you are wrong and I am right?

    I don't think all opinions stink BTW. Doing so just means you can never judge an opinion corectly. But I have no problem pointing out where people are just plain stupid or missing the point.

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Posts: 5,447Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Teala
    Originally posted by muffins89
    Originally posted by Teala
    Originally posted by jtcgs
    Originally posted by Teala
    Originally posted by muffins89

    yes

    yes

    yes

    Why?

    because the games lead designers are stuck in the past and cannot come up with any new ideas. They have on rose colored glasses and actually believe the game they are basing it off of was great...so great it seems they think it will apply successfully to anything even though history proves them wrong.

    ::sigh::  Tamriel is huge, and there are lots of places a person can travel and explore, but we're going to be forbidden to explore the land becuase the developers want to recreate DAoC?   This maybe the one reason I will not even look at this game now.   Stupid.

    you'll just need to make more than one character.  think of it as 3 ES games in one.

    No.  I just won't play their game.

    This is just like DAoC lands. 4 maps, one for each factions and a Open worldish RvR area where the factions did PvP. If you liked DAoC its how they did it. 


    =-D Only on a forum can optimism be called bad and pessimism the good thing =-D Welcome to the internet and forums. 


  • MaelwyddMaelwydd CrawleyPosts: 1,123Member
    Originally posted by PyrateLV
    Originally posted by immodium

    What ESO is doing is chaging genres (SPRPG to MMORPG. they are two completely different genres).

    I know Bethesda are not making the game but they completely changed the game mechanics for TES: Redguard. That was a linear Tomb Raider style game. Why can't they do something different with ESO?

    They arent completely different genres. They are 2 subsets of the same genre. RPG.

    The only difference is that one is Single Player Offline and the other is Massive Multiplayer Online.

    The RPG part is the same

    A different genre would be a RTS and a RPG

     

    And TES:Redguard sucked. Probably for the exact reason that they tried to turn an open world Elder Scrolls RPG into a linear Tomb Raider TPS

    Zenimax isnt changing genres with ESO. They are taking an open world ES RPG and turning it into a linear Thempark DAOC2 MMORPG

     

    QFT

     

    (Hmmm thought I had replied to this but my post seems to have not gone through but this was the essence of what i wrote)

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Pyrate
    1 daoc is open world (no instances at all)
    2 rpgs have half the genre of a mmorpg, likewise mmorts and mmofps share the other half with mmorpg. They aren't the same genre. A rpg with multiplayer is a cooprpg.

    I'm glad your here though as your view of "the one true tes mmo" is the polar opposite of jtcgs' vision.
  • immodiumimmodium ManchesterPosts: 1,577Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by PyrateLV
    Originally posted by immodium
    Originally posted by Maelwydd
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    I can think of 3 mmos that are based on single player prior games, uo, wow & swtor.

    One stuck hard to the original formula, the other two made mmos radically different to the single player games.

    Which one was the greatest financial disaster in gaming history?

    UO stuck to the same basic game design as the ultima series, may be wrrng never really got to try UO but from looking at the crappy youtube stuff then it certainly looks the same.

    WOW - Totally changed direction in their game design. Went from a RTS to MMO. Appealed to an entirely new audience and there really was no comparrison at all because the different franchises.

    SWTOR You could argue it tried to emulate the story driven KOTOR game but to behonest, if they had done taht it might have been more successful. Problem was, people were expecting KOTORO and didn't get it.

    So yes, SWTOR faied because it deviated from the fanbases expectations too much while remaining in pretty much the same genre to try and capture more players, losing their exisiting fanbase and not securing enough from the 'other' category.

    So...

    Using an IP, remaining in the same genre but changing large portions of gameplay to fit online mode = failure.

    Using an IP, keeping the basic structure of the game = Success.

    Using an IP, creating a totally new market in a completly unrelated genre = Success.

     

    Which is TESO again?

    What ESO is doing is chaging genres (SPRPG to MMORPG. they are two completely different genres).

    I know Bethesda are not making the game but they completely changed the game mechanics for TES: Redguard. That was a linear Tomb Raider style game. Why can't they do something different with ESO?

    They arent completely different genres. They are 2 subsets of the same genre. RPG.

    The only difference is that one is Single Player Offline and the other is Massive Multiplayer Online.

    The RPG part is the same

    A different genre would be a RTS and a RPG

     

    And TES:Redguard sucked. Probably for the exact reason that they tried to turn an open world Elder Scrolls RPG into a linear Tomb Raider TPS

    Zenimax isnt changing genres with ESO. They are taking an open world ES RPG and turning it into a linear Thempark DAOC2 MMORPG

     


    All I'm implying is that a SPRPG and a MMORPG play differently. It's like all the sub genres of metal. Korn and Dark Tranquility are both metal bands, but "play"/sound differently.

    And Redguard sucking is your opinion, not fact. Like it's my opinion that Zenimax turning ESO into a linear themepark DAOC2 MMORPG is a better ides than a sandbox style game. Either way they're changing some big aspects of the ES single player games to get it to work.

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  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    All you guys opposed to using a daoc pvp model.

    What would you do?

    From what I gather.....

    Pyrate would want a darkfall type setup
    Jtcgs would want a swg setup
    Mael & sapphen would want a "fudged" rvr setup, akin to anarcy online and tsw
    Others want no pvp at all.


    Now can you see why zenimax picked a middle ground. You anti rvr guys couldn't agree on a pvp system.
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Posts: 5,447Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    All you guys opposed to using a daoc pvp model.

    What would you do?

    From what I gather.....

    Pyrate would want a darkfall type setup
    Jtcgs would want a swg setup
    Mael & sapphen would want a "fudged" rvr setup, akin to anarcy online and tsw
    Others want no pvp at all.


    Now can you see why zenimax picked a middle ground. You anti rvr guys couldn't agree on a pvp system.

    I loved DAoC system, it allowed for many confort zones. My wife likes to stick to PvE and she did with no one attacking her in our faction area. I lived 50% in RvR where I love to PvP and down time with my wife and guild in PvE when I wanted to. The RvR map also had open world dungeons for people who liked that kinda of thing. It really is the way to go, to appeal to a large number of gaming styles. 


    =-D Only on a forum can optimism be called bad and pessimism the good thing =-D Welcome to the internet and forums. 


  • SoMuchMassSoMuchMass New York, NYPosts: 548Member

    I actually prefer the current DAoC system, you are locked to your faction and you only see the enemy in Cyrodil.  It is refershing and it it hasn't been done in a long time.  It helps with identiy and builds comradery.  I am fed up with seeing the same old system.  It is time for something different.  People always talk about DAoC but not even 5% of the current MMO community experience DAoC so this will be a completley new experience for them.

    In terms of "why", because that is the way they designed the game.  If you don't like it or it is a deal breaker don't play it.  Not every game system will suite your particular needs.  It works perfectly with their mega server tech, you don't have to have PvP or PvE servers since your zone is friendly.  If you go into Cyrodil you know you are PvP flagged.

    At the end of the day TESO will succeed if it is a good game and will fail if it is bad.  Simple as that.

  • JacobinJacobin Toronto, ONPosts: 697Member Uncommon

    Its kind of funny, everybody rips on WoW clones but the moment somebody does something different people go ape****.

     

    The idea of keeping the factions seperate is to create some mystery about the enemy. The players build up their characters and guilds in their own homelands than move out to fight the enemy.

     

    Shared PVE has proven to not foster strong faction based pvp. TSW or even GW2 to some extent are recent examples.

  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,066Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Maelwydd
    Originally posted by immodium

    Thats what I'm getting.

    I can't see me getting the single player TES experience from ESO, regardless of what MMO they decided to slap TES onto. They're two different types of games for a start.

    Just hoping it's a fun enjoyable game with lots of replay value.

    Not speaking for everyone but personally I don't see TESO having to be drastically different from TES. There are obvious things that need to be addressed but my main problem with their design is that things have changed that didn't need to be. Race locking factions are totally uncessessary. Restricting exploration is totally uneccessary. Both could have been achieved by having factions that are unrelated to specific races allowing anyone to join, thus removing the need for border restrictions.

    The problem for me isn't that they had to change things to make TES work as TESO. It is that they changed things that didn't need changing and for no apparent reason other then they wanted to have DAOC RvR combat. They basically forgot to design a new system and just copid DAOC....irrespective of if it would work or if it would have adverse effects on the rest of the game.

    While playing in your home territory (which I might add is very TES like since the whole continent isnt ope in Skyrim for example) the game is very much a TES game right down to the combat and bare bones exploration centric Compass.  When you expand the game to take into consideration it opens up into a new MMO then you now have a very DAoC like experience placed within a TES framework.  DAoC was critically acclaimed and highly rated and is arguably the best PvP MMO ever made.  ESO is attempting to recapture that feeling and in order to recapture it, you need to be as true to the original as possible.  Deviating is surefire sign of appeasing different segments and monetizing potential avenues of game play.  I love the fact that ESO is taking a hardline and keeping the PvE and PvP as true to their original counterparts at the risk of potential revenue streams.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • PyrateLVPyrateLV Las Vegas, NVPosts: 1,096Member Common
    Originally posted by immodium
    Originally posted by PyrateLV
    Originally posted by immodium
    Originally posted by Maelwydd
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    I can think of 3 mmos that are based on single player prior games, uo, wow & swtor.

    One stuck hard to the original formula, the other two made mmos radically different to the single player games.

    Which one was the greatest financial disaster in gaming history?

    UO stuck to the same basic game design as the ultima series, may be wrrng never really got to try UO but from looking at the crappy youtube stuff then it certainly looks the same.

    WOW - Totally changed direction in their game design. Went from a RTS to MMO. Appealed to an entirely new audience and there really was no comparrison at all because the different franchises.

    SWTOR You could argue it tried to emulate the story driven KOTOR game but to behonest, if they had done taht it might have been more successful. Problem was, people were expecting KOTORO and didn't get it.

    So yes, SWTOR faied because it deviated from the fanbases expectations too much while remaining in pretty much the same genre to try and capture more players, losing their exisiting fanbase and not securing enough from the 'other' category.

    So...

    Using an IP, remaining in the same genre but changing large portions of gameplay to fit online mode = failure.

    Using an IP, keeping the basic structure of the game = Success.

    Using an IP, creating a totally new market in a completly unrelated genre = Success.

     

    Which is TESO again?

    What ESO is doing is chaging genres (SPRPG to MMORPG. they are two completely different genres).

    I know Bethesda are not making the game but they completely changed the game mechanics for TES: Redguard. That was a linear Tomb Raider style game. Why can't they do something different with ESO?

    They arent completely different genres. They are 2 subsets of the same genre. RPG.

    The only difference is that one is Single Player Offline and the other is Massive Multiplayer Online.

    The RPG part is the same

    A different genre would be a RTS and a RPG

     

    And TES:Redguard sucked. Probably for the exact reason that they tried to turn an open world Elder Scrolls RPG into a linear Tomb Raider TPS

    Zenimax isnt changing genres with ESO. They are taking an open world ES RPG and turning it into a linear Thempark DAOC2 MMORPG

     


    All I'm implying is that a SPRPG and a MMORPG play differently. It's like all the sub genres of metal. Korn and Dark Tranquility are both metal bands, but "play"/sound differently.

    And Redguard sucking is your opinion, not fact. Like it's my opinion that Zenimax turning ESO into a linear themepark DAOC2 MMORPG is a better ides than a sandbox style game. Either way they're changing some big aspects of the ES single player games to get it to work.

    They might play a bit differently, but they are still basically the same "style".

    Yes Korn and Dark Tranquility sound/play different, but they are more the same when you compare them to the likes of Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift.

    Redguard sucking might be opinion, but its opinion of a good majority of ES fans and gaming sites. Its the lowest rated ES game. So that kinda makes it a fact.

    I agree. Zenimax is making some major aspect changes of ES to make it work and thats the problem.

    To me, its like taking Korn (ES) and changing the aspects of their style to be more like Bieber (Themepark) to get it to "work" in the industry.

    You dont see a problem with that? To you thats a good idea?

    Hmm. maybe thats why the music and gaming industry has gone the way it has.

    The public is willing to accept mediocrity

     

    Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR
    Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT
    Playing: Skyrim
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  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,066Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    All you guys opposed to using a daoc pvp model.

    What would you do?

    From what I gather.....

    Pyrate would want a darkfall type setup
    Jtcgs would want a swg setup
    Mael & sapphen would want a "fudged" rvr setup, akin to anarcy online and tsw
    Others want no pvp at all.


    Now can you see why zenimax picked a middle ground. You anti rvr guys couldn't agree on a pvp system.

    Exactly and those other systems are shit and history proves it whereas as the RvR closed faction system has only been done once with massive success.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

    image

  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,066Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by PyrateLV
    Originally posted by immodium
    Originally posted by PyrateLV
    Originally posted by immodium
    Originally posted by Maelwydd
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    I can think of 3 mmos that are based on single player prior games, uo, wow & swtor.

    One stuck hard to the original formula, the other two made mmos radically different to the single player games.

    Which one was the greatest financial disaster in gaming history?

    UO stuck to the same basic game design as the ultima series, may be wrrng never really got to try UO but from looking at the crappy youtube stuff then it certainly looks the same.

    WOW - Totally changed direction in their game design. Went from a RTS to MMO. Appealed to an entirely new audience and there really was no comparrison at all because the different franchises.

    SWTOR You could argue it tried to emulate the story driven KOTOR game but to behonest, if they had done taht it might have been more successful. Problem was, people were expecting KOTORO and didn't get it.

    So yes, SWTOR faied because it deviated from the fanbases expectations too much while remaining in pretty much the same genre to try and capture more players, losing their exisiting fanbase and not securing enough from the 'other' category.

    So...

    Using an IP, remaining in the same genre but changing large portions of gameplay to fit online mode = failure.

    Using an IP, keeping the basic structure of the game = Success.

    Using an IP, creating a totally new market in a completly unrelated genre = Success.

     

    Which is TESO again?

    What ESO is doing is chaging genres (SPRPG to MMORPG. they are two completely different genres).

    I know Bethesda are not making the game but they completely changed the game mechanics for TES: Redguard. That was a linear Tomb Raider style game. Why can't they do something different with ESO?

    They arent completely different genres. They are 2 subsets of the same genre. RPG.

    The only difference is that one is Single Player Offline and the other is Massive Multiplayer Online.

    The RPG part is the same

    A different genre would be a RTS and a RPG

     

    And TES:Redguard sucked. Probably for the exact reason that they tried to turn an open world Elder Scrolls RPG into a linear Tomb Raider TPS

    Zenimax isnt changing genres with ESO. They are taking an open world ES RPG and turning it into a linear Thempark DAOC2 MMORPG

     


    All I'm implying is that a SPRPG and a MMORPG play differently. It's like all the sub genres of metal. Korn and Dark Tranquility are both metal bands, but "play"/sound differently.

    And Redguard sucking is your opinion, not fact. Like it's my opinion that Zenimax turning ESO into a linear themepark DAOC2 MMORPG is a better ides than a sandbox style game. Either way they're changing some big aspects of the ES single player games to get it to work.

    They might play a bit differently, but they are still basically the same "style".

    Yes Korn and Dark Tranquility sound/play different, but they are more the same when you compare them to the likes of Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift.

    Redguard sucking might be opinion, but its opinion of a good majority of ES fans and gaming sites. Its the lowest rated ES game. So that kinda makes it a fact.

    I agree. Zenimax is making some major aspect changes of ES to make it work and thats the problem.

    To me, its like taking Korn (ES) and changing the aspects of their style to be more like Bieber (Themepark) to get it to "work" in the industry.

    You dont see a problem with that? To you thats a good idea?

    Hmm. maybe thats why the music and gaming industry has gone the way it has.

    The public is willing to accept mediocrity

     

    Apples and oranges my friend, apples and oranges.

     

    No problem at all with them taking a single player game, extrapilating that out into an MMO form while staying true to the single player game and adding in possibly the best MMO feature thats been done exactly ONE other time with great success. You in turn would rather they take the game and stay true to the TES game but extrapalting that out into MMO form and making it jsut like every other MMO released in the last 8 years.  That is what I call an idiotic and surefire fail.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

    image

  • DAS1337DAS1337 Parma, OHPosts: 2,404Member
    Originally posted by jtcgs
    Originally posted by Teala
    Originally posted by muffins89

    yes

    yes

    yes

    Why?

    because the games lead designers are stuck in the past and cannot come up with any new ideas. They have on rose colored glasses and actually believe the game they are basing it off of was great...so great it seems they think it will apply successfully to anything even though history proves them wrong.

    What makes you know anything?  DAoC was the greatest PvP MMO ever.  Name me another MMO where you fight over something for realm pride alone.  Go ahead, anyone else?  No, there isn't another game that instills such passion to the player.  When you finally enter PvP in another game, what is is?  Some half-cocked PvP deathmatch?  Some lame attempt at what made DAoC so good?  Exactly.  Landlocking starting zones is the only way for people to really make a bond with their surroundings.  Players today don't give a crap about passion or pride, just the next legendary item that they can acquire.  Well, at least you can use it to your advantage in a game that allows you to fight for your alliance, if nothing else.

     

    I'm fine with shoving this feature down the new crybaby gamers' throats.  It's one of the few features that actually should be. And you'll like it.  Know why?  Because people don't know what's good for them today.

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    I kinda disagree with you there azza

    I would still be interested in the game if it played like Pyrate wants. As I've said I imagined a tes mmo playing like a fantasy eve, but I think that would scare away the carebears and with the budget of TESO they can't afford to do that. So I'm glad they've gone all daoc as that was a good mmo too, and it's not copying bloody wow for a change.

    The "rvr on the cheap" ideas used by funcom and arenanet aint much good though and the no pvp at all people are living in a fantasy land.

    But a heck of a lot more other people wouldn't.
  • kishekishe aitooPosts: 1,978Member Uncommon

    Just imagine if they just took Skyrim and turned it in to a MMO...people would be screaming bloody murder over balance day later.

     

    The reason why Elder scrolls SRPGs are fun is because the game only needs to spoil one player with content. When you need to equal things out for thousands of players it becomes much more difficult.

     

     

  • MaelwyddMaelwydd CrawleyPosts: 1,123Member
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    Pyrate
    1 daoc is open world (no instances at all)
    2 rpgs have half the genre of a mmorpg, likewise mmorts and mmofps share the other half with mmorpg. They aren't the same genre. A rpg with multiplayer is a cooprpg.

    I'm glad your here though as your view of "the one true tes mmo" is the polar opposite of jtcgs' vision.

    You don't understand what genre means obviously. Look it up. MMO isn't a genre. genre's are things like RPG, FPS, Platformer, Action, Simulation...

    While some games might have some crossover a game is classed based on it's predominant genre. So you can have an MMOFPS and an MMORPG, both MMO's different genre's.

  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,066Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Pyuk
    Originally posted by jtcgs
    Originally posted by muffins89
    Originally posted by Teala
    Originally posted by jtcgs
    Originally posted by Teala
    Originally posted by muffins89

    yes

    yes

    yes

    Why?

    because the games lead designers are stuck in the past and cannot come up with any new ideas. They have on rose colored glasses and actually believe the game they are basing it off of was great...so great it seems they think it will apply successfully to anything even though history proves them wrong.

    ::sigh::  Tamriel is huge, and there are lots of places a person can travel and explore, but we're going to be forbidden to explore the land becuase the developers want to recreate DAoC?   This maybe the one reason I will not even look at this game now.   Stupid.

    you'll just need to make more than one character.  think of it as 3 ES games in one.

     Or we could look at it for what it is, a game being made by designers choosing to use old outdated piss poor game design.

    Why should we settle for crap when we know full well an MMORPG can be made open world and allow us to chose the faction WE WANT TO CHOSE, WITH THE RACE WE WANT TO PLAY and be able to go where we want, when we want? Especially when they are using an IP that IS MADE JUST LIKE THAT!

    This! QFT.

    Becasue that game would sell like 100 thousand copys tops and would be a worse failure then SWTOR.  Thjat is a fact backed up by proven history.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Also planetside 1 did rvr right too. Daoc isn't a one off.
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