Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!

Fuzzy Avatars Solved! Please re-upload your avatar if it was fuzzy!

Definitely another bad year for MMORPGs.

12346

Comments

  • drivendawndrivendawn montgomery, ALPosts: 1,242Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by snapfusion
    Originally posted by Yamota

    Gaming has been on the decline for years. Technically they have become more advanced but the game play has become more and more shallow and less complex. The entire gaming industry has been progressively dumbing down titles.

    Why? Well to appeal to the (younger) masses which in general have a short attention span and pretty stupid.

    So yeah, this year will be a bad year and every other year until developers start creating better and richer games and have that as a priority instead of just making more and more money.

    To further extrapolate on this,

    No patience

    No problem solving skills

    Raised on console gameplay

    Love the dig at console players...sigh PC elitests. Other than that have to agree somewhat.

  • craftseekercraftseeker kynetonPosts: 845Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Zorgo
    Originally posted by Quirhid
    Originally posted by snapfusion
    Originally posted by Yamota

    Gaming has been on the decline for years. Technically they have become more advanced but the game play has become more and more shallow and less complex. The entire gaming industry has been progressively dumbing down titles.

    Why? Well to appeal to the (younger) masses which in general have a short attention span and pretty stupid.

    So yeah, this year will be a bad year and every other year until developers start creating better and richer games and have that as a priority instead of just making more and more money.

    To further extrapolate on this,

    No patience

    No problem solving skills

    Raised on console gameplay

    And yet all research shows that "kids these days" are smarter than ever...

    You know who you are? -You are the MMORPG elderly living in a home, gawking out the window and wondering aloud "Where the world has come to?".

    The world keeps on moving forward with or without you.

    I think that warrants at least one link.

    And I'd personally remove the word 'forward' from that last line. 

     

    Well IQ scores certainly move up from generation to generation, it is called the Flynn effect.  In general, countries have seen generational increases between 5 and 25 IQ points. However it is debatable as to what IQ score actually measures.

    As to the post I have certainly noticed that younger players in general have:

    • less patience
    • less interest in problem solving in MMORPGs
    • a lof of experience in console games and a desire to move features from console games to MMORPGs
    • a desire to avoid playing low level content and move straight to MOBA style end game play
    • a more abusive attitude and a higher tolerance for bad language and intolerent behaviour
  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Vineland, NJPosts: 869Member
    Originally posted by Quirhid
    Originally posted by snapfusion
    Originally posted by Yamota

    Gaming has been on the decline for years. Technically they have become more advanced but the game play has become more and more shallow and less complex. The entire gaming industry has been progressively dumbing down titles.

    Why? Well to appeal to the (younger) masses which in general have a short attention span and pretty stupid.

    So yeah, this year will be a bad year and every other year until developers start creating better and richer games and have that as a priority instead of just making more and more money.

    To further extrapolate on this,

    No patience

    No problem solving skills

    Raised on console gameplay

    And yet all research shows that "kids these days" are smarter than ever...

    You know who you are? -You are the MMORPG elderly living in a home, gawking out the window and wondering aloud "Where the world has come to?".

    The world keeps on moving forward with or without you.

    http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/15/research-suggests-humans-are-evolving-to-be-dumber/

     

    Just sayin...

    image

  • Goatgod76Goatgod76 Stow, OHPosts: 1,214Member
    Originally posted by jtcgs

    Sorry OP, it will never work.

    There are far far too many people that are either consumer whores, consumers who feel they have no power or outright fanboys.

    Those are the people most companies target anyway.

    I mean, just look at Apple, they became the largest company on the planet via fanboys and consumer whores willing to pay insane prices for slightly above average products that for the most part, are not bringing anything new over the previous iteration they overpaid for last year!

    So true....sadly.

  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    Originally posted by Quirhid
    Originally posted by snapfusion
    Originally posted by Yamota

    Gaming has been on the decline for years. Technically they have become more advanced but the game play has become more and more shallow and less complex. The entire gaming industry has been progressively dumbing down titles.

    Why? Well to appeal to the (younger) masses which in general have a short attention span and pretty stupid.

    So yeah, this year will be a bad year and every other year until developers start creating better and richer games and have that as a priority instead of just making more and more money.

    To further extrapolate on this,

    No patience

    No problem solving skills

    Raised on console gameplay

    And yet all research shows that "kids these days" are smarter than ever...

    You know who you are? -You are the MMORPG elderly living in a home, gawking out the window and wondering aloud "Where the world has come to?".

    The world keeps on moving forward with or without you.

    http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/15/research-suggests-humans-are-evolving-to-be-dumber/

     

    Just sayin...

    always knew this is where we were headed :P

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icmRCixQrx8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8rhIZJAdd0

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • Goatgod76Goatgod76 Stow, OHPosts: 1,214Member
    Originally posted by craftseeker
    Originally posted by Zorgo
    Originally posted by Quirhid
    Originally posted by snapfusion
    Originally posted by Yamota

    Gaming has been on the decline for years. Technically they have become more advanced but the game play has become more and more shallow and less complex. The entire gaming industry has been progressively dumbing down titles.

    Why? Well to appeal to the (younger) masses which in general have a short attention span and pretty stupid.

    So yeah, this year will be a bad year and every other year until developers start creating better and richer games and have that as a priority instead of just making more and more money.

    To further extrapolate on this,

    No patience

    No problem solving skills

    Raised on console gameplay

    And yet all research shows that "kids these days" are smarter than ever...

    You know who you are? -You are the MMORPG elderly living in a home, gawking out the window and wondering aloud "Where the world has come to?".

    The world keeps on moving forward with or without you.

    I think that warrants at least one link.

    And I'd personally remove the word 'forward' from that last line. 

     

    Well IQ scores certainly move up from generation to generation, it is called the Flynn effect.  In general, countries have seen generational increases between 5 and 25 IQ points. However it is debatable as to what IQ score actually measures.

    As to the post I have certainly noticed that younger players in general have:

    • less patience
    • less interest in problem solving in MMORPGs
    • a lof of experience in console games and a desire to move features from console games to MMORPGs
    • a desire to avoid playing low level content and move straight to MOBA style end game play
    • a more abusive attitude and a higher tolerance for bad language and intolerent behaviour

    Yep. Seems the more technology thrown at people, the less they think for themselves, or do themselves if it can be done for them"conveniently". The more technology, the dumber people get when thinking for themselves is not required in other words.

     

    But now you've opened a can or worms.

  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,058Member Uncommon
    2012 was an amazing time for MMO's and 2013 will be even better.  Now 2014 on you might have a case but then again theres no other games coming out I am looking forward to, especially titan.  Will never touch a Blizzard product again.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

    image

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by Quirhid

    And yet all research shows that "kids these days" are smarter than ever...

    haha..... no.  They simply have more information at their fingertips.  Common sense, however, is out the window.

  • QuirhidQuirhid TamperePosts: 5,969Member Common
    Originally posted by craftseeker
     

    Well IQ scores certainly move up from generation to generation, it is called the Flynn effect.  In general, countries have seen generational increases between 5 and 25 IQ points. However it is debatable as to what IQ score actually measures.

    As to the post I have certainly noticed that younger players in general have:

    • less patience
    • less interest in problem solving in MMORPGs
    • a lof of experience in console games and a desire to move features from console games to MMORPGs
    • a desire to avoid playing low level content and move straight to MOBA style end game play
    • a more abusive attitude and a higher tolerance for bad language and intolerent behaviour

    Yes, what IQ scores measures is debatable, but in the last half a century the improved nutrition has been thought to be atleast the part cause of height increase and intelligence increase. So to some extent, the average height has predicted average intelligence. Then again, I doubt that has had a significant effect for decades now.

    All this is, is just oldschoolers trying to feel superior / lashing out. Despite what you say you're quite immature.

    I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky

  • QuirhidQuirhid TamperePosts: 5,969Member Common
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by Quirhid

    And yet all research shows that "kids these days" are smarter than ever...

    haha..... no.  They simply have more information at their fingertips.  Common sense, however, is out the window.

    From what I read and see from the Internet, its the adults who need a heavy dose of commong sense.

    I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky

  • rafalex007rafalex007 dubaiPosts: 244Member
    Originally posted by sportsfan

    I compare 2012 with 2008.

    Huge expectations, hardly any delivery. AoC and WAR back then, SW TOR and GW2 now.

    If GW2 had a sub, it would hardly be played.

    2012 was the year of the Rat: everything drowned unless they went free to play. (well except WoW and EVE and a few stranded symbolic preachers in 15% of the initial Rift servers).

    The subscription market ended for any would be's.

    Even this guy ended his activity: http://mmodata.blogspot.be/

    i wounder were did you get this kind of assumbshion

    remmber if you dont like dosent mean it bad

  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member
    Originally posted by Quirhid
    From what I read and see from the Internet, its the adults who need a heavy dose of commong sense.
     

    This calls for some Infographics for the attention impaired:

    Fundamentally different. Really. Us old folks are vastly superior in every possible way, clearly.

    It is interesting that we choose to blame anyone (except ourselves) for how the very first (and then next) computer-literate generation turned out.

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Er... not to be pedantic here, but there is no "Massive" in MMORPG, it is "massively" and it goes in tandem with the word mutiplayer, meaning massive amounts of people.. it has nothing to do with world size.  In PoE, do you encounter dozens or hundreds of other players in a zone?

    So, every MUD ever marketed is an MMO then?

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • austriacusaustriacus limaPosts: 624Member
    Originally posted by taus01
    Originally posted by Panthien

    Since you calling their advertisement flat out lies, I would love to hear some excamples.

    Ok, i play your game. Let's take the most recent released big title, Guildwars 2. Just to name a few promises.

    1. Server Guesting, has been touted as the big feature multiple times over 5 years. Not in the game at release and still to this day not in the game.

    2. The strict no grind philosophy they been spreading for years and reality is that the end game they call "Fractals" is probably the grindiest end game system ever invented.

    In fact, ANet admitted to these and other misleading facts they have spread and are giving everyone a refund if he asks for one. 

     

     

    Originally posted by Panthien
    Originally posted by BlackcatZero

    yes an I agree on something is going wrong when game companies expect $200 or $300 for a beta (it may be as simple as they ran out of money for there project and can or need help funding the project to make they're game) mmoprg cost tons to make and if it's funding they need to up frfont and say we would like to give u our product but it cost more money then we have please help and we make the choise to help or not.  your saying it isn't right or we should not spend money on games or what we like and spend money on. hint I supposted Darkfall:unholy war and dislike it so I just canceled and said after this no more money. I spent money on age of wushu and have not regreed it same goes for Defiance and Neverwinter. but in the end it's my choise and anyone else that decided to suppost them. 

    Im curious, which games charge that kind of money  just a beta?

    Plenty of Kickstarter had exclusive BETA access at $100+ Levels. Currently Neverwinter MMO wants $199 for a founders pack. (to be fair there is also a mroe limited $60 package).

    Just an fyi. Guesting is already in and there are alternative ways to get ascended gear. You dont even have to do fractals anymore. In fact fractals are now taken as just a challenge of ability and a good way to earn money since they have made it extremely easy to get ascended gear

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by Icewhite
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Er... not to be pedantic here, but there is no "Massive" in MMORPG, it is "massively" and it goes in tandem with the word mutiplayer, meaning massive amounts of people.. it has nothing to do with world size.  In PoE, do you encounter dozens or hundreds of other players in a zone?

    So, every MUD ever marketed is an MMO then?

    I don't know, I was just correcting someone's misuse of the term MMORPG.  Ever marketed?  That's a pretty big scope, but essentially I think they're very similar in concept.  MMO's would be a direct descendent of MUDs.

    My question about PoE was a genuine one though, since I've never played it.

  • craftseekercraftseeker kynetonPosts: 845Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Icewhite
    Originally posted by Quirhid
    From what I read and see from the Internet, its the adults who need a heavy dose of commong sense.
     

    This calls for some Infographics for the attention impaired:

    Fundamentally different. Really. Us old folks are vastly superior in every possible way, clearly.

    It is interesting that we choose to blame anyone (except ourselves) for how the very first (and then next) computer-literate generation turned out.

    Quite clever, but you should have checked my age.  I am older than Bill Gates and remember an era before the PC and Consoles.  I also remember watching the moon landing live. 

  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member
    Originally posted by craftseeker
    Quite clever, but you should have checked my age.  I am older than Bill Gates and remember an era before the PC and Consoles.  I also remember watching the moon landing live. 

    Why, so did I. I was seven.

    But...what does that have to do with anything?

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • taus01taus01 MunichPosts: 1,352Member
    Posted by craftseeker on 2/20/13 at 11:39:06 AM
    Quite clever, but you should have checked my age.  I am older than Bill Gates and remember an era before the PC and Consoles.  I also remember watching the moon landing live. 

    I am glad i am not the only one that comes from the era before the internet an home computer was "invented". I salute you sir!

    "Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

    image
  • craftseekercraftseeker kynetonPosts: 845Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Icewhite
    Originally posted by craftseeker
    Quite clever, but you should have checked my age.  I am older than Bill Gates and remember an era before the PC and Consoles.  I also remember watching the moon landing live. 

    Why, so did I. I was seven.

    But...what does that have to do with anything?

    Nothing mutch was just commenting on the graphic really.  Comparing a teen in 1982 with a teen in 2012 was a bit off the mark when some of us were teens in the 60's and 70s.

    Let me see, music Moody Blues, Led Zepplin, lots of Gilbert and Sulivan. Movies "A Man for All Seasons", "Doctor Zchivago", "Romeo and Juliet".  Video Game, none. Played D&D PnP though, Diplomacy and competitive Chess.  Sports Stars, not one for sports stars, maybe some of the Olympic Fencers and Modern Pentatheletes. Working RMC  (Officer School) before that lots of jobs including filling grocery bags at the supermarket and selling the Horse Manure I collected from the fields for keen gardeners and sold  field mushrooms from the same fields.  Oh and books, Lord of the Rings of course but also Tolstoy, Dochevsky and Dickens and far too mutch Science Fiction.

  • XAPKenXAPKen Northwest, INPosts: 4,918Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by craftseeker
     
     

    Comparing a teen in 1982 with a teen in 2012 was a bit off the mark when some of us were teens in the 60's and 70s.

     

    Was kind of nostalgic though.  I played music on the local FM radio station for those 80s kids.

    image


    Ken Fisher - Semi retired old fart Network Administrator, now turned Amateur Game Developer.  I don't Forum PVP.  If you feel I've attacked you, it was probably by accident.  Realm Lords 2 on MMORPG.com
  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member
    Originally posted by craftseeker
    Originally posted by Icewhite
    Originally posted by craftseeker
    Quite clever, but you should have checked my age.  I am older than Bill Gates and remember an era before the PC and Consoles.  I also remember watching the moon landing live. 

    Why, so did I. I was seven.

    But...what does that have to do with anything?

    Nothing mutch was just commenting on the graphic really.  Comparing a teen in 1982 with a teen in 2012 was a bit off the mark when some of us were teens in the 60's and 70s.

    Oh, right. You have seven years on me, you were already out of high school when PCs hit the market (barely).

    Vast disparity of experience, surely.

    Have we been waving our "I'm-so-old" wangs for so long that we need to split hairs this finely, really?

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • taus01taus01 MunichPosts: 1,352Member

    Originally posted by Quirhid

    Yes, what IQ scores measures is debatable, but in the last half a century the improved nutrition has been thought to be atleast the part cause of height increase and intelligence increase. So to some extent, the average height has predicted average intelligence. Then again, I doubt that has had a significant effect for decades now.

    All this is, is just oldschoolers trying to feel superior / lashing out. Despite what you say you're quite immature.

    Originally posted by Quirhid

    From what I read and see from the Internet, its the adults who need a heavy dose of commong sense.

    Now now, young whippersnapper. Why don't you sit over there with the WoW players, Justin Bieber and Twillight fans while the adults talk.

    Disclaimer: This is intended as a humorous comment not to offend or troll the person quoted. If you are in any way offended please accept my humble appologies.

    "Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

    image
  • craftseekercraftseeker kynetonPosts: 845Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Icewhite
    Originally posted by craftseeker
    Originally posted by Icewhite
    Originally posted by craftseeker
    Quite clever, but you should have checked my age.  I am older than Bill Gates and remember an era before the PC and Consoles.  I also remember watching the moon landing live. 

    Why, so did I. I was seven.

    But...what does that have to do with anything?

    Nothing mutch was just commenting on the graphic really.  Comparing a teen in 1982 with a teen in 2012 was a bit off the mark when some of us were teens in the 60's and 70s.

    Oh, right. You have seven years on me, you were already out of high school when PCs hit the market (barely).

    Vast disparity of experience, surely.

    Have we been waving our "I'm-so-old" wangs for so long that we need to split hairs this finely, really?

    Speak for yourself I dont have many hairs left to split let me enjoy them while I can.

  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member

    Welcome to ye olde nostalgia wallow.

    A weekly event.

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • DihoruDihoru ConstantaPosts: 2,731Member

    What? o.o I mean I am nowhere near 60 years of age but... doesn't this all smack a bit of "I've got more experience than you so I am right" arguments? Don't get me wrong I consider the gradual degradation of the difficulty of games in general to be something rather sad personally but... if you want a difficult but rewarding experience in an MMO there are many choices out there you just have to look for them (Wurm, EVE-Online, high population private servers of games that have vanished or been changed in recent years, etc,etc) as many of them aren't that publicized for whatever reasons.

     

    That said games will never again be as hard as Castlevania, Metroid, Megaman or Ninja Gaiden, why? Because arcades have long, long since stopped being a important source of income for publishers and the home console and home PC user has become the principal source of income for most publishers ergo they cater towards these people and no matter how much you say so the number of people who want to put a wii mote hole in their flat screen due to frustration at the difficulty of the game is pretty small, most people just wanna fire up their entertainment system and have fun and for some it's mindless, for some it's mildly challanging, for you it could be sadistically challanging but considering you are only part of the equation yet you still buy the game the only way to get a hardcore difficulty level on your game which would be the way you like it is to vote for it with your wallet, if enough people do that developers would spend the 1-2 months of coding time putting in a slightly smarter AI for the hardcore crowd and basically win more money doing it.

    image
Sign In or Register to comment.