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Originally posted by Eladi As mutch a waiste of time as watching tv, reading books (non education books/tv) or making post about waisted past time on forums. If you feel unsatisfied be a Hero and act.
I forgot to mention this in my other post.
Games are interactive. I'll take any kind of interactivity over something non-interactive.
I simply do not watch TV anymore, except for SNL (DVR), and I watched Fringe on DVD recently. You just sit there. No interaction. That bores the hell out of me. But, that's me. I'm not dissing TV (in general) or the pleasure anyone else gets from it.
What I do think is trash that rots your brain to a pulp, is "reality" TV. That stuff is pure hateful, judgemental garbage that teaches moronic competitve behavior that basically amounts to no real "reward", and no real winners, for *most* of them. It also teaches you how to be mean, and treat others like shit, and that life is purely about winning and losing, and mindless competition.
But, I digress
Originally posted by Lienhart I've clocked an absurdly high amount of hours into MMOs from WoW to Final Fantasy XI. After recently switching to a much more expensive hobby (supersport track days), I'm feeling the need to slap my face for wasting so much time on a hobby that amounts to having nothing to show for in the real world. Anyone else ever feel the same way?
Have you enjoyed when you played? If yes then I do not understand your question.
Only problem, as with any hobby or "hobby" (like drugs, alcohol, ...) is if it is harmful for health or is at least acceptable.
I had my times when i was truly addicted to gaming ... but I do not regret anything and with difference to real drugs ... it is rarely in any way similar.
Originally posted by Aerowyn if you are expecting to get some return from gaming other than the enjoyment of those hours i'd either go pro gamer or stick with another hobby
Or profit off of regional restrictions like any entrepreneur would. People will often pay more than quadruple the price for something if they can't get access to it themselves. Such as playing on the Master Race(most up to date) version of a localized game that often times will fall behind in updates.
Originally posted by Lienhart Originally posted by vindir I suppose the same slap in the face coudl be applied for anyone who spends countless hours of T.V, movies, facebook, etc. At least with gaming (or mmo's in this case) I can gain problem sovling, learn and apply basic monetary lessons, hand-to-eye coordination, develop social skills, time managment, team work skills and probebly some other somewhat (if not useful) cerebral skills that can be applied to real world scenarios.
Get out a little bit more and you'll understand what I mean. You have some valid points but to throw Facebook, development of social skills, time management and team work skills into there...just hell no (and I'd argue against hte monetary lessons but I can see how that would work).
What? Working with a team to solve some goal, is not team building? It might be on the lighter side of it, but it STILL is team building. Time management is TRUE too. If you can decide to play for X amount of time and succeed, you ARE learning to manage your time.
Facebook is a complete time-sink and waste of time. Reading countless trivial "status updates" makes me say, who the **** cares that you just got home, went to the mall today, etc. If you're posting pics of the hurricane you just got caught in, then that's interesting, and non-trivial.
What kills me, as I digress like I always do, is when teens, and 20-somethings go somewhere together, and then ALL ignore each other, burying their faces into their phones texting the same mindless, trivial crap, to people that aren't there.
Hell, I've seen this at amusement parks. TALK TO THE PEOPLE YOU ARE WITH!!! ENJOY THEIR COMPANY. Not to mention how rude it is to hang out with someone and then pretend like they aren't even there.
MMOs are a fairly cheap form of escapist entertainment. The good ones provide an interesting form of mental stimulation and hopefully relieve stress that builds up IRL. Its like reading fiction and playing chess at the same time.
When compared to the amount of TV the average person watches it is not that crazy.
Time sink, yes.
Waste of time, no.
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If i have fun, no matter what the entertainment is, is that a "waste" of time?
Certainly it is non-productive, though.
If you enjoy something, it's not a waste of time. Life it self is basically a waste of time if you dont enjoy the present. We all die, and after we do, we will be forgotten in few years, and it does not matter what you "accomplished" in life since you're still dead. Even if you did something big, you're just a name in the history books and no one really cares nor does it matter. So yeah, whatever you do in the present, if you enjoy it then it's not a waste of time.
Nope. Been playing for 22 years now and I still get enjoyment out of them. It's like any hobby, you don't really get anything out of them, other than the fun of doing said hobby. It's a cheap hobby as well. My cheapest. I'm also a car guy, and I've spent alot of money on cars, but you almost never see any of that money again. I've "wasted" more time and a ton more money on cars hehe.
Edit: Also like trains, models (those models too lol), and anything radio controlled. Spent alot more than 22 years of gaming on all them too. MMOs are an inexpensive hobby.
I agree 100%.
I get most of my enjoyment from Wrath of Heros...only game I have been sticking with.
Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011
Maybe life is generally a waste of time, you could as well waste time playing MMOs?
If you say "get a family".. well woohoo, so the next generation can waste time on this planet?
If you think about it, everything is a waste of time. Working, relationships, tax declarations, TV, MMOs... who the f*** cares.
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Originally posted by HappyFunBall Facebook is a complete time-sink and waste of time. Reading countless trivial "status updates" makes me say, who the **** cares that you just got home, went to the mall today, etc. If you're posting pics of the hurricane you just got caught in, then that's interesting, and non-trivial.
Facebook is generally a waste of time, as are cell phones etc. (IMO), but at the same time there are benefits to communication that might lead to something impactful. The problem is that we didn't really evolve to our current state to toss away 50% of our person to person connections in the span of a few hundred years (telegraphs, phones, etc.). I think it makes the world a more tense and disagreeable place because our very nature rejects it at some level, even if we think it's "cool" on the surface... or rather, because advertising agencies tell us it's cool.
I lost one of the comment i wanted to quote from OP but in a few words.
You are shallow and simple. Having to rely on other peoples' compliments to feel some sense of gradification is what you call a good use of time?
Also , to the guy with the medical degree whose post i also lost xD
You are talking about MMO addiction not MMO entertainment.What stops you from having a decent mmo fun and spending time with your family ?
Spending all or a lot of time with the same person over and over again(family or not) creates unwanted feelings of boredom and some times spite.
So I'm guessing you are some sort of ex-addict of WoW and your mind is tangled within the game and the addiction.
The addicted gamers are just a fraction of gamers.Note that unsocial people with interest in games,graphic novels(both western and eastern), collections... aka. geeks, fall into a different category, since they make up of a big enough amount of people to be called a community therefore have your "precious" peer gratification.
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Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek For some people, it's entertainment. For others, a waste of time. For many, a waste of a life. It all depends on how trapped you get. After looking at the "how much do you play" poll and seeing the largest group in the 4-8 hours per day category, I'd say life-wasting for most people.
What exactly is a waste of life? Do you think you're going to be graded at the end or what?
Generally, I would say yes, it's a waste of time.
You can spend that time doing sport, meeting new people, learn new things, study, find new hobbies and interests, make more money for traveling etc. The list is long.
But I guess we all need our little useless time sinks...
Pretty much, a young life can become an old one and running out of time with Online games. but people still play them, if it's a hobby that only takes a few hours a week it's fine. if you play more then 3 well 3 becomes 4, then 5 or more. then gaming starts to become your life. The more your family and friends can't reach you the kless you want to return to the real world.
I have all but gave up on gaming and now just play an hour a week if i can get myself to do it. more fun in the real world these days, less need to escape it with gaming.
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