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Star Citizen: $8 Million and Counting

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  • TheocritusTheocritus Gary, INPosts: 3,740Member Uncommon
    I don't know why but "star Citizen" just sounds like a not ver ygood game.....Maybe if they would have given it a better name but not star citizen......
  • ishistishist Leland, NCPosts: 160Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Royalkin

    I'm really sick of the anti-kickstarter crowd. Look, it's a very simply situation. If you like a game well enough, and believe in the designers' vision, support it. If you don't, walk away. How some choose to spend their own money is none of your concern. Stop trying to be the wise sage and herd them away from their own decisions to support something.


     

    You are missing the point.

    The problem with Kickstarter isn't the backers but those who are trying to raise their funds.

    Crowdfunding currently, despite in a way looking like legal investment method, has several legal issues - accounting, disclosing responsibility, etc. It does not process legally same way as other investment methods.

    It is a loophole in legal system at the moment and in fact it allows you legally scam people - you can accept payment for future service or goods but never deliver.

    And you missed the point. The entire point of these kickstarters is to give someone THE CHANCE to do something. All the anti-kickstarter people are going to accomplish if they should happen to convince the entire Internet to stop funding is to shove everyone back to the giant publishers who don't give a shit about you or anything that isn't going to bring in the biggest profit. Do you look forward to Call of Medals 723:Bad Black Special Company of Operations X2 that badly? Many of the people who started these kickstarters have something much more binding than a contract, they have their reputations. Some of them have been building that rep for 20 years. You think they're gonna throw it away for a kickstarter scam?

    You've obviously been abused by the giant publishers for so long that your cynicism has robbed you of all joy in life.

    You have a severe case of Battered Gamer Syndrome which will get worse if it goes untreated. I would suggest you seek medical attention immediately.

    In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams

  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,863Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by ishist

    The entire point of these kickstarters is to give someone THE CHANCE to do something.

    Read my post again.

    Everyone has equal chance to raise funds via established funding methods. However, if someone is seeking to raise their funds through unorthodox, controversial methods such as crowdfunding, there is either something wrong with their business or they treat you like stupid.

  • ishistishist Leland, NCPosts: 160Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by ishist

    The entire point of these kickstarters is to give someone THE CHANCE to do something.

     

    Read my post again.

    Everyone has equal chance to raise funds via established funding methods. However, if someone is seeking to raise their funds through unorthodox, controversial methods such as crowdfunding, there is either something wrong with their business or they treat you like stupid.

    Read my post again. What exactly are the established funding methods excluding someone investing money in your company? Also, in case you haven't been on the internet in the last few years, kickstarter is neither unorthodox or controversial.

    What better measure of public approval and interest in your idea could be found than asking for donations for it?

    Kickstarter is a Great thing. The more success stories that come from Kickstarter, the better for the industry as a whole. Publishers will have to learn to either makes entertaining games that are actually worth the money they sell them for, or lose business to some guy in his basement. I've funded 4 projects so far that would have never made it through the Publisher gauntlet. Not because the games wouldn't be spectacular, but because the publishers have no data points with which to gauge their prospective profits.

    In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams

  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,863Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by ishist

    What exactly are the established funding methods excluding someone investing money in your company?

    You cannot hold someone accountable for crowdfunding money.

  • ishistishist Leland, NCPosts: 160Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by ishist

    What exactly are the established funding methods excluding someone investing money in your company?

     

    You cannot hold someone accountable for crowdfunding money.

    You just replied to a quoted statement from my post with a completely unrelated statement. Congratulations, you now get to discuss this subject with yourself.

    In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams

  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,863Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by ishistYou just replied to a quoted statement from my post with a completely unrelated statement. Congratulations, you now get to discuss this subject with yourself.

    It is very much relevant, I just got straight to the point, then you either understand why being accountable for money invested is important or not...

  • WraithoneWraithone Salt Lake City, UTPosts: 3,592Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Royalkin

    I'm really sick of the anti-kickstarter crowd. Look, it's a very simply situation. If you like a game well enough, and believe in the designers' vision, support it. If you don't, walk away. How some choose to spend their own money is none of your concern. Stop trying to be the wise sage and herd them away from their own decisions to support something.


     

    You are missing the point.

    The problem with Kickstarter isn't the backers but those who are trying to raise their funds.

    Crowdfunding currently, despite in a way looking like legal investment method, has several legal issues - accounting, disclosing responsibility, etc. It does not process legally same way as other investment methods.

    It is a loophole in legal system at the moment and in fact it allows you legally scam people - you can accept payment for future service or goods but never deliver.

     

    We need MANY more such "loop holes".  Contrary to the belief of many, in all too many situations, government (and its regulations/laws) are a PROBLEM, not a solution. 

    Yes, yes I know its all to "protect" us poor ignorant/stupid people, from ourslves, and the E-vile Capitalist Pig Dogs that are lurking everywhere in the shadows, waiting to pounce and run off with our life savings...<Cue voice over "Save me! Save me!">... ^^

    I've been over all VERY pleased with my backing of various Kickstarter projects.  I'm the one responsible for doing my own research, and making the *choice* to back any given project, and how much I will back it for.  I certainly don't want or need any pompus government stuffed shirt, taking it upon themselves to make my choices for me.

     

  • morbuskabismorbuskabis RodonPosts: 290Member

    All these haters...well I believe that SC will be a success! If not I lost some $, who cares? Kickstarter is a good way to bring back a genre that is not mainstream. But seems that ppl dont like to try out new ways and still believe the world is flat.

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  • WraithoneWraithone Salt Lake City, UTPosts: 3,592Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by ishist

    The entire point of these kickstarters is to give someone THE CHANCE to do something.

     

    Read my post again.

    Everyone has equal chance to raise funds via established funding methods. However, if someone is seeking to raise their funds through unorthodox, controversial methods such as crowdfunding, there is either something wrong with their business or they treat you like stupid.

    No. As a matter of FACT they do not.  In all too many cases its a matter of WHO you know, within the VC and other such systems. Not only that, but such systems tend to be very restrictive in terms of who gets what, and thats NOT good for people just starting out.

    Kickstarter sides steps that, and thats one of the reasons such types will ultimately set their bought and paid for politicians on it. Just to "protect" the public, of course...

    Sure there are risks. But its up to each individual to make the choice of what to back, and how much to back it.  As I've mentioned in terms of games, I can always get more money. But I what I can't get is good, entertaining games to play.

  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,863Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Wraithone

    We need MANY more such "loop holes".  Contrary to the belief of many, in all too many situations, government (and its regulations/laws) are a PROBLEM, not a solution. Yes, yes I know its all to "protect" us poor ignorant/stupid people, from ourslves, and the E-vile Capitalist Pig Dogs that are lurking everywhere in the shadows, waiting to pounce and run off with our life savings...<Cue voice over "Save me! Save me!">... ^^I've been over all VERY pleased with my backing of various Kickstarter projects.  I'm the one responsible for doing my own research, and making the *choice* to back any given project, and how much I will back it for.  I certainly don't want or need any pompus government stuffed shirt, taking it upon themselves to make my choices for me. 



    Originally posted by Wraithone

    No. As a matter of FACT they do not.  In all too many cases its a matter of WHO you know, within the VC and other such systems. Not only that, but such systems tend to be very restrictive in terms of who gets what, and thats NOT good for people just starting out.Kickstarter sides steps that, and thats one of the reasons such types will ultimately set their bought and paid for politicians on it. Just to "protect" the public, of course...Sure there are risks. But its up to each individual to make the choice of what to back, and how much to back it.  As I've mentioned in terms of games, I can always get more money. But I what I can't get is good, entertaining games to play.

    Not sure why you quoted me...nothing you said in your emotional, irrelevant rant is even remotely addressing anything I said.

  • atticusbcatticusbc Posts: 1,068Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Wraithone

    We need MANY more such "loop holes".  Contrary to the belief of many, in all too many situations, government (and its regulations/laws) are a PROBLEM, not a solution. 

     

    Yes, yes I know its all to "protect" us poor ignorant/stupid people, from ourslves, and the E-vile Capitalist Pig Dogs that are lurking everywhere in the shadows, waiting to pounce and run off with our life savings...... ^^

    I've been over all VERY pleased with my backing of various Kickstarter projects.  I'm the one responsible for doing my own research, and making the *choice* to back any given project, and how much I will back it for.  I certainly don't want or need any pompus government stuffed shirt, taking it upon themselves to make my choices for me.

     


     

     


    Originally posted by Wraithone

    No. As a matter of FACT they do not.  In all too many cases its a matter of WHO you know, within the VC and other such systems. Not only that, but such systems tend to be very restrictive in terms of who gets what, and thats NOT good for people just starting out.

     

    Kickstarter sides steps that, and thats one of the reasons such types will ultimately set their bought and paid for politicians on it. Just to "protect" the public, of course...

    Sure there are risks. But its up to each individual to make the choice of what to back, and how much to back it.  As I've mentioned in terms of games, I can always get more money. But I what I can't get is good, entertaining games to play.


     

    Not sure why you quoted me...nothing you said in your emotional, irrelevant rant is even remotely addressing anything I said.

    besides the part where he addresses your initial statement that everyone has a fair shot with a publisher? um... i really didn't want to get involved, but you might want to review who's getting emotional and off topic. "i know you are but what am i?"

  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,863Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by atticusbcbesides the part where he addresses your initial statement that everyone has a fair shot with a publisher?

    I never said anything like that...

    All I said is that everyone has equal chance to start their own business(to do something), which is true.

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  • firefly2003firefly2003 Los Angeles, CAPosts: 2,555Member
    Originally posted by Gdemami

    Usually you get to pay AFTER the job is done.

     

    People are weird and funny tho and can throw money on about anything...or in fact in exchange for nothing..

     

     

     

    Problem is with that statement, people have been throwing money at nothing for the last 8 years and getting nothing in return much less a decent game or MMORPG, and still even AFTER the job is done the game is unplayable buggy and boring, Id rather helped finance games thru Kickstarter I actually want to play not what some market analyst or investor would think I want to play another WoW clone or another COD ripoff.

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  • firefly2003firefly2003 Los Angeles, CAPosts: 2,555Member
    Originally posted by morbuskabis

    All these haters...well I believe that SC will be a success! If not I lost some $, who cares? Kickstarter is a good way to bring back a genre that is not mainstream. But seems that ppl dont like to try out new ways and still believe the world is flat.

    Agree with your post there. People piss and throw away money at bigger things than video games, gambling, alcohol, and crappy video games, but people wont throw a few dollars at a game that promises real enterainment and potential? People these days...

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  • firefly2003firefly2003 Los Angeles, CAPosts: 2,555Member
    Originally posted by Obidom

    wait wait... Showrun Returns? oh please please please!!! I loved the nintendo version but the one they brought out the other year was a mess!!!

     

     

    This site REALLY needs a Kickstarter section!!!!

    Shadowrun Returns harkens back to the old SNES -Genesis days and the project is coming along very well atm and it will be nothing like the XBOX version which they had nothing to do with thankfully and they made that very clear in their videos :P your in for a treat :)

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  • firefly2003firefly2003 Los Angeles, CAPosts: 2,555Member
    Originally posted by Astropuyo

    The game hasn't even hit a proper dev cycle, it's all about getting capital investment with giving no returns and you guys are endorsing this?

     

    You are investing in a company and getting nothing save SWAG in return.

    You are getting conned, you may not think you are, but who thinks they are getting conned while giving hard money for items and a "promise" the game will be developed.

     

    Lets just keep rewarding bad business with more business! There is a reason venture didn't touch this guy. There is a big reason.

    Guess the same can be said of people that keep buying COD games and WoW clones and getting nothing in return thats new or innovative, in a way their being conned by buying the same game with a few new maps or MMOs with watered down mechanics a a few twists to the same ol vanilla designs that keep appearing in games only for the new "shiny" MMO to die 1-3 months after release.

    People keep rewarding bad business with more business (EA-Activistion-NC Soft) with more rehashes, ripoffs, and poorly made games and MMOs, really its gamers who are getting nothing in return by continuing to keep giving publishers money for garbage.

    The door swings both ways my friend, at least with crowdfunding people CAN choose to research and invest in games that will bring fresh IPs to a stagnant industry , new , fresh, innovative, even resurrecting old genres that the publishers won't touch cause it isn't Call of Duty 15.

     

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  • AntharaAnthara CascaisPosts: 75Member

    In my planet, people don't put the wagen in front of the bulls.

    If you want to start a business and don't have funds and are pretty good at what you do, you start from the bottom without fear.

    You create a small inovative game with small budget, make it cheap and people will buy and have fun playing it.

    The company create an identity and trust... use the profits for bigger/expanding your IP... keep delivering a good product and eventually you will have a good loyal community on their backs.

    Before they all start buying Mercedes, use that money to develop a big game... again, deliver a good product.

    Cheers!!! Profit for them and fun for all of us.

    Now companys want to start "crafting" MMO's before anything else and ask money from the bunch of no lifers addicteds around the web.

    I'm sad at the community overall. People keep buying collectors editions for 150 euros and etcs... and keep throwing cash at this people with their eyes closed. AND NEVER LEARN.

    Sad sad days we are living.

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,453Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Anthara

    The company create an identity and trust...

    And in that case, wouldn't you say that the some of people/companies that are commanding these large kickstarter results hvae already created an identity and engendered trust?

    How many times have people indicated that they loved the work that this person has done and because of that work they believe they can pull it off?

    Here, right on the front of this forum thread:

    Aerowyn:

    i pledged $60 i LOVED the wing commander games..

    And Aeorwyn is not the first person to make that statement. Looks like this guy has already done good work and has earned their trust. Time will tell if that trust was fairly earned.

     

  • laseritlaserit Vancouver, BCPosts: 1,944Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Vorthanion
    Originally posted by Astropuyo

    The game hasn't even hit a proper dev cycle, it's all about getting capital investment with giving no returns and you guys are endorsing this?

     

    You are investing in a company and getting nothing save SWAG in return.

    You are getting conned, you may not think you are, but who thinks they are getting conned while giving hard money for items and a "promise" the game will be developed.

     

    Lets just keep rewarding bad business with more business! There is a reason venture didn't touch this guy. There is a big reason.

    The venture people's reasoning was that gamers don't want a space simulation MMO and it would appear they were dead wrong.  The business professionals don't always know what is right, god knows these are the very same people that crash markets, speculate commodities into inflationary prices and they have invested into and created as many failed games as successful ones.

     

    I think the word the should that should be used is " infested" ;)

    "If you make an ass out of yourself, there will always be someone to ride you." - Bruce Lee

  • laseritlaserit Vancouver, BCPosts: 1,944Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Anthara

    In my planet, people don't put the wagen in front of the bulls.

    If you want to start a business and don't have funds and are pretty good at what you do, you start from the bottom without fear.

    You create a small inovative game with small budget, make it cheap and people will buy and have fun playing it.

    The company create an identity and trust... use the profits for bigger/expanding your IP... keep delivering a good product and eventually you will have a good loyal community on their backs.

    Before they all start buying Mercedes, use that money to develop a big game... again, deliver a good product.

    Cheers!!! Profit for them and fun for all of us.

    Now companys want to start "crafting" MMO's before anything else and ask money from the bunch of no lifers addicteds around the web.

    I'm sad at the community overall. People keep buying collectors editions for 150 euros and etcs... and keep throwing cash at this people with their eyes closed. AND NEVER LEARN.

    Sad sad days we are living.

    I dont know what planet your from, but here on earth people put their wagon's in front of the bull's constantly. It's called the "Stock Market"

     

    What I dont agree with when it comes to kickstarter is the donation thing. Thats bullshit. It should be an investment, you shuld recieve a share and a payback on investment if the product is successful.

    Funding software like a charity is bullshit.

    "If you make an ass out of yourself, there will always be someone to ride you." - Bruce Lee

  • ishistishist Leland, NCPosts: 160Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by laserit
    Originally posted by Anthara

    In my planet, people don't put the wagen in front of the bulls.

    If you want to start a business and don't have funds and are pretty good at what you do, you start from the bottom without fear.

    You create a small inovative game with small budget, make it cheap and people will buy and have fun playing it.

    The company create an identity and trust... use the profits for bigger/expanding your IP... keep delivering a good product and eventually you will have a good loyal community on their backs.

    Before they all start buying Mercedes, use that money to develop a big game... again, deliver a good product.

    Cheers!!! Profit for them and fun for all of us.

    Now companys want to start "crafting" MMO's before anything else and ask money from the bunch of no lifers addicteds around the web.

    I'm sad at the community overall. People keep buying collectors editions for 150 euros and etcs... and keep throwing cash at this people with their eyes closed. AND NEVER LEARN.

    Sad sad days we are living.

    I dont know what planet your from, but here on earth people put their wagon's in front of the bull's constantly. It's called the "Stock Market"

     

    What I dont agree with when it comes to kickstarter is the donation thing. Thats bullshit. It should be an investment, you shuld recieve a share and a payback on investment if the product is successful.

    Funding software like a charity is bullshit.

    To the first of you: Chris Roberts, the man who created the Kickstarter that this article is about, pretty much CREATED the space sim genre. If the man didn't have indentity and trust, he wouldn't have raked in $8m 2 years before his game is set to release.

     

    To the second of you: You believe that if you give a project on kickstarter $30 you should get profit sharing and stock options? That is bullshit. If you wanna pretend you're a big shot investor, go put real money into a project that wants it. You donate on kickstarter, you get whatever reward is listed for the amount you pledged. Almost as if it was A RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT. If you choose to refuse the reward that's your perogotive. If the project fails and you don't get a reward, then you made a stupid investment.

    Or as an alternative, if the idea of risking your money on something not labeled an "investment" is so distasteful, you can always throw your money into the blackhole that is EA and they'll begrudgingly deficate out a battlefield or medal of whatever for you. I'm sure that would be more to your taste.

    In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams

  • laseritlaserit Vancouver, BCPosts: 1,944Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ishist
    Originally posted by laserit
    Originally posted by Anthara

    In my planet, people don't put the wagen in front of the bulls.

    If you want to start a business and don't have funds and are pretty good at what you do, you start from the bottom without fear.

    You create a small inovative game with small budget, make it cheap and people will buy and have fun playing it.

    The company create an identity and trust... use the profits for bigger/expanding your IP... keep delivering a good product and eventually you will have a good loyal community on their backs.

    Before they all start buying Mercedes, use that money to develop a big game... again, deliver a good product.

    Cheers!!! Profit for them and fun for all of us.

    Now companys want to start "crafting" MMO's before anything else and ask money from the bunch of no lifers addicteds around the web.

    I'm sad at the community overall. People keep buying collectors editions for 150 euros and etcs... and keep throwing cash at this people with their eyes closed. AND NEVER LEARN.

    Sad sad days we are living.

    I dont know what planet your from, but here on earth people put their wagon's in front of the bull's constantly. It's called the "Stock Market"

     

    What I dont agree with when it comes to kickstarter is the donation thing. Thats bullshit. It should be an investment, you shuld recieve a share and a payback on investment if the product is successful.

    Funding software like a charity is bullshit.

    To the first of you: Chris Roberts, the man who created the Kickstarter that this article is about, pretty much CREATED the space sim genre. If the man didn't have indentity and trust, he wouldn't have raked in $8m 2 years before his game is set to release.

     

    To the second of you: You believe that if you give a project on kickstarter $30 you should get profit sharing and stock options? That is bullshit. If you wanna pretend you're a big shot investor, go put real money into a project that wants it. You donate on kickstarter, you get whatever reward is listed for the amount you pledged. Almost as if it was A RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT. If you choose to refuse the reward that's your perogotive. If the project fails and you don't get a reward, then you made a stupid investment.

    Or as an alternative, if the idea of risking your money on something not labeled an "investment" is so distasteful, you can always throw your money into the blackhole that is EA and they'll begrudgingly deficate out a battlefield or medal of whatever for you. I'm sure that would be more to your taste.

    I just beleive a business venture (video game production is a business venture) should not be run as a charity or a telethon. It has absolutley nothing to do with Chris Robert's and everything to do with the whole concept of Kickstarter.

    Now if these were not for profit venture's...  I would have a different opinion. 

    "If you make an ass out of yourself, there will always be someone to ride you." - Bruce Lee

  • RoyalkinRoyalkin Abilene, TXPosts: 273Member
    Originally posted by Wraithone
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Royalkin

    I'm really sick of the anti-kickstarter crowd. Look, it's a very simply situation. If you like a game well enough, and believe in the designers' vision, support it. If you don't, walk away. How some choose to spend their own money is none of your concern. Stop trying to be the wise sage and herd them away from their own decisions to support something.


     

    You are missing the point.

    The problem with Kickstarter isn't the backers but those who are trying to raise their funds.

    Crowdfunding currently, despite in a way looking like legal investment method, has several legal issues - accounting, disclosing responsibility, etc. It does not process legally same way as other investment methods.

    It is a loophole in legal system at the moment and in fact it allows you legally scam people - you can accept payment for future service or goods but never deliver.

     

    We need MANY more such "loop holes".  Contrary to the belief of many, in all too many situations, government (and its regulations/laws) are a PROBLEM, not a solution. 

    Yes, yes I know its all to "protect" us poor ignorant/stupid people, from ourslves, and the E-vile Capitalist Pig Dogs that are lurking everywhere in the shadows, waiting to pounce and run off with our life savings...... ^^

    I've been over all VERY pleased with my backing of various Kickstarter projects.  I'm the one responsible for doing my own research, and making the *choice* to back any given project, and how much I will back it for.  I certainly don't want or need any pompus government stuffed shirt, taking it upon themselves to make my choices for me.

     

    Quoted for Truth! Amen!

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