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I had toons in DAoC that I used explicity to group and others that I used to solo, for PvE as well as RvR. Both were valid and the game allowed for those playstyles to be successful. Soloing in RvR came with an accepted risk, but that made it even more exciting. Grouping in RvR was what the majority did, but there certainly was a time and place for a clever stealther, mincer, or any other well played class by a player who didn't want to follow the zerg.
"Catering to the solo mentality" just invokes the tired Us vs Them that has been hashed out ad nauseum for years. Time to get over it and realise the world isn't made of one type of person and their clones.
There is skepticism/ questions, poeple asking the same question again and again without reading the forums, and then ad hominem attacks. I would put the later into hate, with the first 2 just an average forum monday.
I'll agree that I and others have been probably more excited by this concept than likely an announcement on another standard MMO would garner, but as somebody said up above, the magical words of sandbox and RvR were mentioned. Can this be abused? Sure, but that's like anything that you feel strongly about.
^Pretty Much^
Those people need to realise MJ isn't targeting them for his game, he's targeting RvR minded players. If you want your hand held and given lollipops and ice cream for playing, this probably isn't the game for you.
What happens when you log off your characters????.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQhfhnjYMk
Dark Age of Camelot
well said, I played classic as a zerg realm with myth.. when ywain came out i went 8v8 with my friends and when i had kids i also soloed.. i think this should be considered within this game but toon balance shouldnt be based on a 1v1 style
Mark has used all the right words to capture the MMORPG Hipster communities hearts. especially when he came out with that "no handholding" dev diary. you could almost hear all 50 of them (or maybe that number is too high) saying ... well first "hold on mom ill clean up my room in a minute im 35 years old for god sake im read an important blog!" and then ....
"he's totally right MMO worlds suck because they try to be fun and be a game instead of a slow lumbering world, i remember the days when it took me 3-4 minutes to kill a mob and then 30 minutes to get my health back so i can attack another mob. or when it took me 15 minutes to wait for a boat ... those were the good ole days!"
"now MMOs are nothing but fun, people can just log in for an hour and accomplish something .... thats stupid game design!"
Unless that one single person is in charge of the project and has proven in the past his ideas are not good ones, or cannot impliment good ideas in a way that works.
Sorry but its true and the world has axioms going back thousands of years all about it...fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...this guy is trying for a third time.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
There would be something seriously wrong with this game if it didn't have the mmorpg hate squad in it's forums posting reasons why this game is going to be bad.
Just because there're here posting their normal BS like they do in every popular game doesn't mean you wont like it or they'll think ppl are unhappy.
Look at gw2. Most hated on game on the site...also the most popular.
your misunderstanidng the point. Games have grinds with zero point. Lets grind to 400 armour skill or whateva wow is only to have a new update mean you need to grind to 450? MJ wants to make a PURE rvr game the only grind is to make you better at your role.. its like daoc but no 0-50 and a more expansive ra system ( in leymans terms)
I think that if you decided to hit the hills and Darkness Falls solo, you went out with the understanding that your survivial 1v1 would require skill and thought and not necessarily be guaranteed. Solo vs 2 or more opponents was possible, but you really needed to be on top of your game and was really only possible by a small handful of classes. I advocate that the potential for a well played character to succeed 1v1 should remain. Balance is a slippery beast and I don't think anyone anywhere has found perfection. What tips the scale is player skill, and I think that someone with the knowledge of how to best someone (or multiples) should be able to be given that opportunity.
it is a bad rvr game though :P
i think you mean world of warcraft.
agreed
On this site...gw2 is #1 and almost 10 million unique hits in the last year. WoW is # 7 at 1 mil. So no not even close.
"on this site" , and he's right.
It still confounds me how GW2 can have such a high rating on this site. Not only does it have worse pve than WoW (the story in gw2 is dumb and the dialogue sounds like it's being read from a script), it has worse pvp than daoc and even WAR. The RPG is non-existant since the whole thing is centered on the idea of E-Sports. There is absolutely nothing fun or addicting about that game, and yet it still sits perched as the #1 rated game on mmorpg. I don't get it. I just chalk it up with those lame tween movies like "Twilight" that keep rollin' in the Benjamins no matter how piss poor the story/acting.
if they had focused on wvwvw and not esports it would of been a huge success but they tried to go for a niche that doesnt excist within mmos and failed badly, IMO
na most ppl don't read to page 5. Someone will come alone and comment on the first post and that will be that :P
but it is funny how gw2 is the new wow for haters. just say it in the thread and off it goes.
it's funnier when each successive "i'm waiting for _____" now rebounder comes out imperfect and then they hop to the next. just like those games coming out from 2006-2008 after WoW.
DF:UW and PS2 down already.
Seeing as the first post is what the entire thread is about... That would make the person who does so the only one actually "on topic".
To find an intelligent person in a PUG is not that rare, but to find a PUG made up of "all" intelligent people is one of the rarest phenomenons in the known universe.
Inventors and entrepreuners will fail. That axiom is not really appropriate for how our society works with innovation. Around 50% of startups are not around by year 3. It's not like once you have a failed startup you become a janitor. I guarantee you those owners go and start other projects that become success stories. If Mark Jacobs had a track record like EA, with numerous failed MMOs and ruining established games, I'd agree with you. But in my eyes he is batting at least .500., .333 is still pretty good as well.
No, we cannot. Camelot Unchained is going to be a MMO, no matter how much you wan´t to disagree. Its just plain wrong, simple as that.
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