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From Emain Macha to Agramon island - Don't forget what made DAoC shine
Canan
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First, let me say that Dark Age of Camelot was a great game that I played for almost a decade. I met a lot of interesting people and had many adrenaline filled battles. So, thank you Mark and Mythic for creating a world that kept me captivated for quite a long while.
To save this post from the dreaded "tl;dr" label I'm going to simply list the things that I believe made Dark Age of Camelot a challenging and strategic player vs. player game filled with depth. I am really hoping that Camelot Unchained is a great success and incorporates many of the these things, which in my opinion, separated DAoC from the various other dull and heartless games out there.
CROWD CONTROL - This was such an important part of the game and in my opinion a necessity to CU. There are so many outspoken people out there that are begging for CU's crowd control to be "less severe" than that of DAoC's. I hope you stick to your remark that "this game will not be for everyone" and stay true to the heart of what made DAoC's combat so fantastically strategic and innovating.
SPEED CLASSES AND/OR SPEED CHANTS/SONGS - Speed classes made it possible for groups to roam about the game without the fear of ALWAYS getting rolled by a large amount of other players. Did it completely prevent it? No. But that is why these classes are an integral part of the RvR formula. It gave small groups of players at least a hope of escaping the all mighty zerg. There was always something about a group of players sticking to their leader which gave off the vibe of comradery also. But, maybe that's just the geek in me.
BUFF AND DEBUFF SYSTEM - I have played many (and I mean many) MMORPGS and not a single one can compare to the organization and truly amazing quality of the DAoC buff system. There was no mistaking when you lost your strength/con buff or when your dexterity was sheered - it easily recognizable not only on your screen but also in your character's performance. This made for a satisfying and rewarding experience for allies and enemies alike.
INTERRUPTS - Yet another thing that added to the depth of the combat system. I hope to see something like this in CU if not the same exact system.
STANDING STILL WHILST CASTING - The decision on when to incinerate someone or flee defines a good caster whether they are a healer or nuker. Please don't water this down like many of the many of the other modern MMOs out there.
ARMOR/CLOTHING DYE - I am so glad to hear that this is in the game as it really made guilds feel unique to be all decked out in the same colors.
DARKNESS FALLS - This was one of the most interesting things of Dark Age of Camelot and I was a bit shocked when you said there would be absolutely no PvP in CU. Any DAoC player can attest to DF being a really fun place and I hope you rethink adding this type of "control/pvp" dungeon. I am not a person who enjoys much PvE but I will say that I honestly think including no PvE is a mistake. However, I am open to you all proving me wrong.
REALM RANKS - Okay, so you say you don't want to include realm abilities (I will just keep quiet about that) but please keep it to where you only see the realm ranks of your enemies over their head (and don't worry folks who have not played DAoC before - when you click on an enemy it does in fact tell you their name). There was nothing like running into a group of players and knowing you're in for a good fight when you see their realm ranks.
CAMELOT HERALD - Speaks for itself.
I really wish you guys much luck with creating this new game and I am really excited to hear what you are going to do regarding these game dynamics.
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Am I the only one who didn't like agramon? It was strictly 8v8. It felt like WoW arenas and got boring really quickly. Old frontiers Emain was much more exciting since you would encounter zergs, 8v8, solo stealthers and stealthzergs at amg/mmg, soloers and small groups near the portal keeps and on the way to the MGs, also it had keeps and there was always some action at crauchon or crimthainn. It's not even funny how superior old frontiers were.
Sorry for going off topic but I blame your title
DAoC - Excalibur & Camlann
That said, I would also love to see these game mechanics return. I do hope they don't shy away from the CC, and that we will see a DAOC-esque title system.
I loved the days of roaming emain and hope to see similar times in CU
Ex-DAOC, Excalibur
OF was the best set up DAOC had IMO. I actually don t like what towers added to the game. OF keeps were such amazing fights without the towers, flinging rocks etc. Argamon was IMOP a terrible idea. I loved the n"neck check" days, and the amazing keep/ Relic raid fights back in the say way more.
I was trying to convey that I have played DAoC from the very beginning till present day. Something tells me I should have simply stated that instead.
I had a completely different experience with it, and no I did not dislike it.
What else besides 8v8 did you do then?
DAoC - Excalibur & Camlann
Actually it depends on the amount of players. In fact Agramon is much smaller than Old Frontiers while having porters to the front of Agramon. Sure it sounds more arena-like. In Old Frontiers you were more likely to avoid zergs than in Agramon. Thats why DAoC was much better with Old Frontiers in my opinion: Giving all playtypes (zerging, soloing [especially at Emain's AMG
] and 8vs8) a chance.
If you had a bad day while roaming through Emain ... Well, then you could switch the zone because it was just big enough or stick up the public zerg.
I agree to all of your listed points!
DAOC Live (inactive): R11 Cleric R11 Druid R11 Minstrel R9 Eldritch R6 Sorc R6 Scout R6 Healer
yeah it was strictly 8vs8 but unlike wow arenas it still had this surprise effect since u never know who would inc the next .... and it was the only way to have a decent 8vs8 without add and shit like that sao for 8vs8 folks it was like a heaven and the reason why any skilled 8man ran there most of the time
btw saying old emain (old frontiers) is better than nf makes me think you never played on uthgard and only revue moments like 7(?) years ago wich means only the good but not the many bad moments ... old keeps were so bad designed with los breaks bad gateways and all the bugs there and old emain a exciting zone? maybe if u ran zerg only but since all the action was in emain only most of the time wich means a tube with nearly no poscibilty to escape the zerg no kiting space and fcking long ways for hibs rvr back in the days wasnt realy good for non zergers ... actually the reason why odins got the 8vs8 zone even though that snow landscape was eye cancer style
realy play like 1 week of uthgard rvr ... and nf will get some kind of the holy gral of rvr and thats only because of how bad of was and even as a zerger i think it will somewhen get boring running the same 100m over and over again with the same 2 keeps in range without runing out of the whole action
Mark,
Is there a time frame when we will hear specific details on the topics listed in this thread? I would really like to know before the Kickstarter begins what kind of systems you are using and if they will indeed be somewhat challenging like those of the orginal Dark Age of Camelot. I know some of these questions are hard to answer this far in advance but letting us in on your thought process and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!
Actually I have 7-8 50s on uthgard. And yes Emain sucks there but it's not the map's or OF's fault, there are just way too few people RvRing on that server. You end up running around for 30 minutes for a fight only to find that uber rr10+ group that play together for 5 years(and if you manage to find a group around your level and kill it they usually never come back. It is frustrating.
DAoC - Excalibur & Camlann
i realy dont understand how you can like of with 50s on uthgard ... emain is either like you discribed it within a 8man running arround not finding any inc ... or zerging ... and having more ppl on the server will only increase the zerging decrease the roaming space for everyone else etc ... a tube as a rvr maps sucks old frontiers emain and war showed that since they dont allow any playstyle but zerg on the longterm
yes new frontiers had some fails but it allowed so many different play stiles since you had more possibiltiys to choose your fights and the action didnt took place on 1/10 of the whole rvr map but on 2/3 (not actual sizes but you know what i mean)
Ahh yes, that was infuriating.. being left behind... its all coming back to me
Two things I disagree with. CC can easily be toned down. Keep it in the game, but standing mezzed for 1+ min waiting for assist train to pick your number was not fun. I agree on keeping CC in game, but reduce timers to 15-20 seconds. Buffs/debuffs became a serious issue, and one that caused many people to quit. I hope CSE is able to design a better system. Other than that, I agree.