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Poll: Which payment model is ideal for ESO?

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  • ZorgoZorgo Deepintheheartof, TXPosts: 2,226Member
    Originally posted by Rthuth434

    lmao @ Rift...come out shit talking the competition yet never reveal how well your own game did. from 100 servers down to 8 in  a year...with all this lauded content, lol. and the 8 us servers open now only 4 get past medium at peak times...they could chop it down to 5 servers and be fine...right on the heels of an expansion. rofl.

     

    EoN was soo bad in beta they shelved it...lmao @ TRION. i guess the way to do P2P in the F2P age is to talk a lot of shit and have nothing to show for it?

    Rift had 100 servers in February of 2012? Where did you find that info?

    And with your opinion of the game, I'm surprised you still have intimate knowledge of the server stats. What keeps you logging in regularly and paying for a subscription if you think it is such a wasteland?

    No offense, the guy did seem a bit self-deluded; but talk about the other end of the spectrum.......

  • laokokolaokoko TaipeiPosts: 2,003Member
    Originally posted by Zorgo
    Originally posted by Rthuth434

    lmao @ Rift...come out shit talking the competition yet never reveal how well your own game did. from 100 servers down to 8 in  a year...with all this lauded content, lol. and the 8 us servers open now only 4 get past medium at peak times...they could chop it down to 5 servers and be fine...right on the heels of an expansion. rofl.

     

    EoN was soo bad in beta they shelved it...lmao @ TRION. i guess the way to do P2P in the F2P age is to talk a lot of shit and have nothing to show for it?

    Rift had 100 servers in February of 2012? Where did you find that info?

    And with your opinion of the game, I'm surprised you still have intimate knowledge of the server stats. What keeps you logging in regularly and paying for a subscription if you think it is such a wasteland?

    No offense, the guy did seem a bit self-deluded; but talk about the other end of the spectrum.......

    But he does have a point. 

    Just because all of you demanded a subscription model and willing to pay 15$ a month don't mean you guys going to play that long.

    Maybe best model is for TESO to sell box first and go with sub model.  And see how things go on the way.  Just like you know... many of those p2p games turning f2p.  Maybe TESO will do so well that they dont' need to turn into f2p.  But who knows?

  • ZorgoZorgo Deepintheheartof, TXPosts: 2,226Member
    Originally posted by laokoko
    Originally posted by Zorgo
    Originally posted by Rthuth434

    lmao @ Rift...come out shit talking the competition yet never reveal how well your own game did. from 100 servers down to 8 in  a year...with all this lauded content, lol. and the 8 us servers open now only 4 get past medium at peak times...they could chop it down to 5 servers and be fine...right on the heels of an expansion. rofl.

     

    EoN was soo bad in beta they shelved it...lmao @ TRION. i guess the way to do P2P in the F2P age is to talk a lot of shit and have nothing to show for it?

    Rift had 100 servers in February of 2012? Where did you find that info?

    And with your opinion of the game, I'm surprised you still have intimate knowledge of the server stats. What keeps you logging in regularly and paying for a subscription if you think it is such a wasteland?

    No offense, the guy did seem a bit self-deluded; but talk about the other end of the spectrum.......

    But he does have a point. 

    Just because all of you demanded a subscription model and willing to pay 15$ a month don't mean you guys going to play that long.

    Maybe best model is for TESO to sell box first and go with sub model.  And see how things go on the way.  Just like you know... many of those p2p games turning f2p.  Maybe TESO will do so well that they dont' need to turn into f2p.  But who knows?

    Well, I should have stayed more on topic.

    My preferred model is buy a box and have a sub option, as long as with the sub option you don't need the cash shop for anything. Whether they have a f2p option is a fact of modern mmo life I've made my peace with. 

    Because as you pointed out; people are not sticking with games long enough for them to survive on a sub only model anymore. 

    The people have spoken with their wallets. If a game strikes a chord with enough people for long enough, they will pay a sub for years. But these days, that is the exception to the rule, either due to oversaturation of the market, games not as good as they once were, or a combination of factors, but whatever the cause; f2p games are staying alive, sub games are dying.

  • PhelcherPhelcher Boston, MAPosts: 1,053Member

    The best answer will always be a subscription to the game world.

     

    That doesn't mean alot, just depending on how featured each game is. (Just like a cable channel). Some games might charge $2.99/month, while other games $9.99/month. Leaving the premium market for the full-featured adult games @ $15 ~ $30/month.

     

    Now, if games implamented a political side (ala Vanguard), they could allow cash shops for Bravado and Majesty.

     

     

     

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  • FusionFusion VaasaPosts: 1,391Member Uncommon

    GW2 system is just simply brilliant!

    I had my doubts and loudly voiced sceptisism, but they truly proved my fears to be wrong!

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  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Ul''dah, CAPosts: 1,537Member Uncommon

     

    It's an interesting question to pose if we were directly talking to Zenimax.

    Ultimately we're looking at a crowd that is not used to monthly payments (Elder Scrolls) versus a crowd that has "been there, done that" and ultimately looking for new payment models (such as box payment and cash shop) among other things.

    To be the most financially successful?  I'd have to go with a Box Price with a cash shop and optional subscription for those who want a subscription only server (that can also transfer to other servers to play with friends and back at will).

    Though since they have a Mega server I don't know how that would work.  Personally I won't play the game past the first month if there's a subscription as I already have like five games.  In addition, my girlfriend is expressing interest in playing new online games, so I'll probably be paying for her monthly as well soon enough.

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  • MiklosanMiklosan turkuPosts: 176Member

    Sub like wow! If the game is good!

     

    Less cheaters and less crap!

     

     

    Yes, there are cheaters and crap in WoW aswell but I did say LESS didn't I?

     

     

  • SephirosoSephiroso Marietta, GAPosts: 1,160Member Uncommon

    Useless question is useless imo. Doesn't matter what payment model they pick, a crap ton of people will play/buy/subscribe this game.

     

    But on another thing, anyone else keep thinking of Ether Saga Online when they see ESO?

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  • EbonheartEbonheart Austin, TXPosts: 138Member
    Originally posted by Miklosan

    Sub like wow! If the game is good!

     

    Less cheaters and less crap!

     

    Yes, there are cheaters and crap in WoW aswell but I did say LESS didn't I?

    This is one of the more important reasons to have a P2P monthly subscription which most players routinely overlook.

     

    F2P games are overflowing of hackers. Why? Because you can keep on making accounts after bans and continue hacking. There is no mitigating factor that would influence them to stop hacking, other than game death or something like that.

    P2P systems require an account to have paid the monthly fee. Thus, when your account is banned for hacking (unless you are extremely rich) you would have to purchase another subscription. Problem solved.

    B2P is somewhere in-between, but closer to P2P in terms of reduced hacking. However, B2P isn't a reliable source of income in the long term so a cash shop will emerge, or they will introduce "gold status" supscription types that put restrictions on free players and generally piss everyone off.

     

    With all-around P2P you don't have to worry about any of these problems.

  • CecropiaCecropia Posts: 3,472Member Uncommon

    Considering that we have entered the age of "F2P", I'm surprised how many voted for the sub model. Fascinating.

    Anywho, I personally won't be touching this title unless it is subscription based.

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  • achesomaachesoma Portland, ORPosts: 1,000Member Uncommon
    Might as well just go B2P.  No point in making it P2P since it would just become F2P in a year anyway and save themselves the trouble.

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  • InktomiInktomi merrick, NYPosts: 663Member

    Sub.

    Make it a level playing field.

    WoW does have microtrans though.

  • bingbongbrosbingbongbros Vista, CAPosts: 650Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Aeonblades
    P2P Subscription. It's the best way to avoid 75% of MMO asshats.

    60% of statistics are made up 75% of the time

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  • xmentyxmenty SingaporePosts: 679Member

    I would play TESO if it is only B2P.

    There are more games to play beside TESO like Archeage, Wildstar, Blade & Soul and Black Desert.

     

    Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language :)

  • MibletMiblet BognerPosts: 333Member

    I can only see it being P2P.

    To say any different would be delusion.  It's budget and model pretty much dictated what it would be.

    Might go F2P if things go south and it's future looks dicey but that would be far after release.

  • SoMuchMassSoMuchMass New York, NYPosts: 548Member
    Originally posted by xmenty

    I would play TESO if it is only B2P.

    There are more games to play beside TESO like Archeage, Wildstar, Blade & Soul and Black Desert.

     

    And B&S, ArcheAge are P2P in Korea.  And Wildstar might also be P2P, we don't know yet.

    TESO will do better financially with 500k players playing subs than 3 million players who buy the box.

  • hMJemhMJem Marysville, WAPosts: 465Member

    Anything besides a subscription based $15 a month would surprise me.

     

    People will impulse by this game and atleast subscribe for a couple months out of hype. That is a huge win if $500,000 donate 30-45 dollars atleast to Zenimax.

     

    The thing is you can't let the game get to such utter garbage like SWTOR that no one actually cares when it turns free to play. But if the game isnt living up to the hype, then change it to free to play BEFORE its at world-wide hated.

     

    I also dont mind League's system. I dislike systems where it's free to play but really you need to pay to win. I've never spent a dime on League and don't feel like it's limited my experience at all, as I'm a Gold level ranked player who can get better. 

  • Caliburn101Caliburn101 LondonPosts: 636Member

    Subscription with the one qualifier that the game have a suitably fast pace of quality additions, fixes and mini-expansions with first rate customer support both in and out of game.

    People will generally pay if they feel they are getting quality for their money - and a good profit/re-investment balance from a subscription revenue stream can really make a game fizz along nicely and helps population retention if the game is good enough.

     

  • LordSneergLordSneerg Lorton, VAPosts: 119Member
    Sub. So sick of cas shops. Let me pay my $15 a month so I can enjoy the complete experience.  Tired of being nickeled and dimed
  • kostantiskostantis ThessalonikiPosts: 29Member

    If you think that Zenimax has not decided on a pay model... you are partialy right!

    It was probably the first thing that made them make an MMO (cash-in on the IP with a P2P model because of WoW)

    This game has been on the works FAR longer that mentioned, which is already 6 years. However, the fate of recently released MMOs (especially SWTOR) and the speed at which the market changed probably made them think again, since their business plan was based on the era when a few subscription games ruled the market.

    Now they are probaly on the second tier of compromise-making, i.e. how to release the game in a new market while trying to appease the investors that expected profits based on the older models.

    (first tier of compromising was alla bout updating as much of the game as possible, like graphics, due to long development cycle that left them behind compared to competitors)

  • TeshrrarTeshrrar SPosts: 26Member

    Anything with no cash shop.

     

    I rather P2P, like WoW, but B2P would be a good option too.

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