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WoW survivor after 3 wks in GW2

Kamandi777Kamandi777 Fulton, MOPosts: 195Member Common

Can't express how excited I was when I started this game and how after 3 wks. I am completely done.

Done.

Crafting? Meaningless and silly.

PvP?  Structured is OK, WvW is beyond ridiculous.

PVE? Have no idea after 3 weeks how to get into a dungeon...seriously.  Guildies seem to be doing them but when I asked about joining...nothing.

Goofy, meaningless, no goals, no friends, no fun.  A big perk is supposed to be "finishing a map"  I finished like 10 maps and NEVER once got any reward that I could use except xps and very little money.  

You can't even duel anyone.  

Oh and I dare you to roll a Thief and do the "My Story" chapter "Down the Hatch"--mindlessly absurd.  Beyond description how bad it was.  I thought it was bugged but no--it was designed to take like 3 hours.  Rewards? Some xps, a few coins and gear--once again--I didn't need.

 

#EPICFAIL

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  • JerkbagJerkbag melbournePosts: 26Member

    Not the games fault you have no friends 

    most rewards were very dumb i agree

    where i think it failed was absolutely no end game unless you try for those legendary weapons but seriously the time that you would spend on gathering all the required materials is stupid

    100% of th people i joined with quit 3 weeks after hittin max level

    was a fun game though just got hell boring

  • lathaanlathaan viennaPosts: 475Member Uncommon

    which shows that a good guild is bebeficial while playing mmos ^^

    [mod edit]

  • VorchVorch Somewhere, FLPosts: 800Member

    As far as dungeons go:

    --The LFG: www.gw2lfg.com

    --Dungeon Basics: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dungeon

    There are two modes: Story and explorable

    * Story mode unlocks explorable mode. Only one person in the group has to have story mode done in order for the group to tackle explorable mode.

    * Explorable mode rewards the group with Dungeon Tokens. These can be exchanged in Lion's Arch for exotic weapons, armor, and other goodies.

    To start a dungeon, just be on the map that the dungeon is in and enter. See the wiki article I posted for more specifics. You can also group with people from other servers.

    The most popular dungeons at the moment are Ascalonian Catacombs, Citadel of Flame, and Arah. You can still find parties for the rest fairly easily utilizing www.gw2lfg.com.

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    As far as dueling goes, can't you make a 1v1 group in sPvP? However, I do agree that it would be neat to either challenge people OR have a specific PvE location for duels.

     

    As far as having no friends, try joining a different guild. If at first you don't succeed, try again.

     

    I do hope that you come back soon.

    "As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days— those are now the only two states you’ll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2

  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 17,949Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kamandi777

    Can't express how excited I was when I started this game and how after 3 wks. I am completely done.

    Done.

    Crafting? Meaningless and silly.

    PvP?  Structured is OK, WvW is beyond ridiculous.

    PVE? Have no idea after 3 weeks how to get into a dungeon...seriously.  Guildies seem to be doing them but when I asked about joining...nothing.

    Goofy, meaningless, no goals, no friends, no fun.  A big perk is supposed to be "finishing a map"  I finished like 10 maps and NEVER once got any reward that I could use except xps and very little money.  

    You can't even duel anyone.  

    Oh and I dare you to roll a Thief and do the "My Story" chapter "Down the Hatch"--mindlessly absurd.  Beyond description how bad it was.  I thought it was bugged but no--it was designed to take like 3 hours.  Rewards? Some xps, a few coins and gear--once again--I didn't need.

     

    #EPICFAIL

    You never done a single dungeon and yet think you are done?

    Yeah, epic fail is the right words here.... 

    Oh, and I did down the hatch in less than 15 minutes 2 days after launch, I in fact did all personal story stuff including the really hard ones in Orr and still didnt any one of them even take half an hour. How many times did you die?

  • cybertruckercybertrucker Pensacola, FLPosts: 1,119Member

    While I find the game fun for casual play.  I am with you about the lack of social play within the game. Now people will come yelling at you on these forums calling you a hater for saying it but it is the truth. This does not mean its completely impossible to get a group going for a dungeon or other activities but it is definately harder to. Prepare for people to say your just not in the right guild. Well I have been in 3. All 3 of them have promoted their guilds as being friendly and active in all aspects of  play. However the truth is they only talk during WvW and only in voice to the people involved. PVE..

    GW2 suffers from the fact that 95% of the game was made to be soloable. Compounding this is that benificial effects and buffs are ground based AOEs so that you just effect those around you if you are in an area that would be considered more challenging. In most games those types of areas you would group up. In GW2 you don't have to. There is a huge difference between coexisting within a community mingling within a community. GW2 systems promotes people simply coexisting.  With sharing all rewards, and AOE buffs and heals

    compare this to another game. Say TERA. While there are huge areas where people solo. There are also more challenging areas and content like BAM infested areas. In those areas people actually group up to play. I have out about equal time in both games. I have built a friends list in TERA. Which most will say has a terrible community, however in grouping I have met some cool people. In GW2 I have attempted to put forth the same effort to group up. I have only managed to add 1 person to my friends list that wasnt a RL friend since starting the game. Sadly she no longer plays. She went back to EVE. Why? Because she said she got tired of the lack of community and felt like she was playing a single player game most the time when she was on.

  • cybertruckercybertrucker Pensacola, FLPosts: 1,119Member
    One last thing of note. I'm hoping the tweaks they made to the dungeons will make them more appealing. I enjoy the story elements of the dungeons and the atmosphere of them. If these adjustments go over well it may well help build the community somewhat.
  • CelciusCelcius Franklin, TNPosts: 1,000Member Uncommon

    Judging by your previos post of you praising the hell out of the game, I would say give it another shot in a few weeks. The game has no sub so there is plenty of time to go back and check it out later. It doesn't sound like you really experienced most of the game and got hung up on a bugged story quest. I just played through to the level 75 story quest on a character and did not experience any problems, so i would suggest looking up on the forums to see if anyone has this problem. Chances are it will be fixed sooner then later; the story stuff usualy gets fixed fairly quick compared to other parts of the game.  I would also recommend getting help in story missions or outleveling them by some levels to make sure you can do them better if you are having problems. 

    Dungeons are hit or miss for most people, but they have been vastly improved since launch and can be a great experience. Some still need some work and bosses across the board need HP adjustments, but they can most certainly be fun as hell. I would say look for a big zerg guild to get your barings and use gw2lfg.com to find any groups for dungeons. Using gw2lfg.com has practically instant results most of the time or less time then it would take to find a group using a dungeon finder in other games. I was about to jump you because your original post had the quality of a usual hater, but it seems like at one point you were indeed excited about the game. 

    The biggest problem for most people with GW2 initially is that they just dont "get" it. It doesn't tell you what to do or hold your hand like pretty much every other post-WoW MMO. Take your time to explore the game, don't just follow hearts around, do some sPvP if you want to crack some skulls, follow a commander icon in WvW for a bit, run some dungeons, do some story missions, run some jump puzzles,ect. There is alot to do in the game and even though the progression does get to the point where it barely is worth it (exotic-> ascended gear) there is still plenty of progression there to keep you busy as well as set some goals for a while. There are also plenty of other options then a legendary if you are looking for some good looking weapons or armor. Try another class too while you are at it. There is alot to do and it will only be getting better this month with guild missions and next month with WvW rank progression.

  • VoiidiinVoiidiin Barrow, AKPosts: 817Member

    Thank you for your informative post OP, i will take it to heart as i continue to enjoy GW2. 

    Please believe me when i say, enjoy World of Warcraft, i hope you stay with that game as long as it makes you happy.

    Lolipops !

  • almalexiusalmalexius BredaPosts: 179Member
    What's the problem with the personal story? I use the "skip to end" button because i am not intrested in that but most of the time you have the possibility to skip it anyway?

    WOW,eq2,Vanguard,WAR,LOTRO,AOC,Rift Aion, SWTOR, TERA.

    Currently playing GW2.

  • VolenibbletsVolenibblets London, LAPosts: 212Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kamandi777

    You can't even duel anyone.  

    I think I have the cut of your jib right there. You're one of those people that jumps around stormwind repeatedly bugging people with the duel flag when they're trying to get a moments peace aren't you? I never understood people who want to duel but then again it's a long time since I was 12 years old. I'd recommend returning to wow if you miss all those features. It's like someone saying 'so I stopped eating chicken and moved onto beef and I was soooo dissapointed to find it tastes nothing like chicken?! And It doesn't even have any wings!! 

     

  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Loke666
    Originally posted by Kamandi777

    Can't express how excited I was when I started this game and how after 3 wks. I am completely done.

    Done.

    Crafting? Meaningless and silly.

    PvP?  Structured is OK, WvW is beyond ridiculous.

    PVE? Have no idea after 3 weeks how to get into a dungeon...seriously.  Guildies seem to be doing them but when I asked about joining...nothing.

    Goofy, meaningless, no goals, no friends, no fun.  A big perk is supposed to be "finishing a map"  I finished like 10 maps and NEVER once got any reward that I could use except xps and very little money.  

    You can't even duel anyone.  

    Oh and I dare you to roll a Thief and do the "My Story" chapter "Down the Hatch"--mindlessly absurd.  Beyond description how bad it was.  I thought it was bugged but no--it was designed to take like 3 hours.  Rewards? Some xps, a few coins and gear--once again--I didn't need.

     

    #EPICFAIL

    You never done a single dungeon and yet think you are done?

    Yeah, epic fail is the right words here.... 

    Oh, and I did down the hatch in less than 15 minutes 2 days after launch, I in fact did all personal story stuff including the really hard ones in Orr and still didnt any one of them even take half an hour. How many times did you die?

    Loke I hate to say it but you are extremely biased. Just because he didn't do a dungeon doesn't mean he isn't entitled to his opinion about the rest of the game. Im the opposite, I only did one dungeon, reached level 80, and loved my experience  despite barely touching the dungeons. The only thing I didn't like was the cheesy personal story (which did get a little better at the very end) and the monotonous feeling of the snowy areas...oh...and that the best city I have ever seen in a game was barely used.

    There Is Always Hope!

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,544Member Uncommon

    Let me see...

    - Crafting meaningless.

    In GW2, at ANY level, you can craft the BEST gear for your level, with materials available at your level. Unlike WoW, where to craft anything significant, you need materials from areas higher than you and/or from dungeons/raids at max level.

    My guess is that the OP hasn't understood how crafting and discoveries work in GW2.

    - PvP Structured is OK, WvW is beyond ridiculous.

    Spoken like a true WoW player, so used to battlegrounds and arenas than he's unable to think on a larger scale.

    - PVE Have no idea after 3 weeks how to get into a dungeon...seriously.  Guildies seem to be doing them but when I asked about joining...nothing.

    Again, typical WoW player unable to explore, unable to ask on region chat where the next dungeon is too, maybe because he's not used to have friendly people answer questions.

    And if your guildies don't want to take you in dungeons, then I wonder why they don't want... either you are in a bad guild, and then you just have to change, or your behavior doesn't make people want to take you along, and then the solution is on your side.

    - Goofy, meaningless, no goals, no friends, no fun.  A big perk is supposed to be "finishing a map"  I finished like 10 maps and NEVER once got any reward that I could use except xps and very little money.

    So you blame the game for having no friends? How convenient... Lets see, people of your guild don't want to take you with them into dungeons, and now you complain you have no friends. Could it be anything in your behavior that creates those situations? Just wondering... ask yourself the question.

    And the rewards for finishing a map are more than just XP and money... remember when you rode over the whole world in WoW to get that "Explorer" title? Yep, there's such a title in GW2 too for map completion.

    - You can't even duel anyone.  

    No comment... while a dual option would be fun (if done carefully and forbidden in cities of course), seriously, one can live without it. I will still give you this only point, even though it's really minor.

    - Oh and I dare you to roll a Thief and do the "My Story" chapter "Down the Hatch"--mindlessly absurd.  Beyond description how bad it was.  I thought it was bugged but no--it was designed to take like 3 hours.  Rewards? Some xps, a few coins and gear--once again--I didn't need.

    I did "Down the Hach" without any problem, and I found it actually quite fun and also easy and not very long. Looks like a "learn to play" problem here. Hint: a thief is not a rogue you can faceroll like in WoW... you need some skill.

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    My conclusion?

    First, let me tell you that I'm an actual WoW player, and I've been so for 8+ years since WoW beta. So I'm no WoW hater, I have two active accounts in that game.

    Now my advice: If you want to enjoy GW2, you have to let go of WoW. All of it. GW2 is NOT a WoW clone. If you are unable to do that, you will most likely not enjoy GW2. I have the advantage of having played many MMORPGs beside WoW which weren't based on the WoW/EQ clone model, therefore I was able to easily adapt to GW2. But if WoW clones is all you've played, you have to let it go, clear your mind, start from scratch.

    And about your problems with your guild and finding friends... tell me, did you happen to critic every single thing in GW2 on guild chat, telling them how much WoW is better? Just a guess here, based on your post. Because if you did that, I'm not surprised they didn't want to take you along on guild activities. Now if that's not what you did, well, I suggest you find another guild.

    Playing now: WoW, Landmark, GW2, The Crew, SotA

    Top 3 MMORPGs played: UO, AC1 and WoW

    Honorable mentions: AO, LotRO, SW:TOR and GW2.

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  • DakeruDakeru Posts: 1,637Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kamandi777

    Oh and I dare you to roll a Thief and do the "My Story" chapter "Down the Hatch"--mindlessly absurd.  Beyond description how bad it was.  I thought it was bugged but no--it was designed to take like 3 hours.  Rewards? Some xps, a few coins and gear--once again--I didn't need.

     

    #EPICFAIL

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijSsSPCZGs Down the hatch done by a thief in 18 minutes.

    When you are having a hard time finishing a task, you can always change your active skills to adapt to the situation.

    You know, more like.. using a tactic rather than spamming skills?

    I have an entitlement delusion - because I have this strange idea that my 50$ should have the same value as anyone else's 50$
    "Your account is not entitled to the same value as a new account. Just saying you are entitled to the same as someone else because you said so is exactly what expresses your entitlement issues."

  • AlucardlbAlucardlb Yankton, SDPosts: 83Member

    Dont feel bad man, i had went to the game with my wow guild, around 20ish people, after 3 weeks we all quit aswell, if you could of gotten to try some of the dungeons, it would of made you only quit sooner. Tho that ride to 80 was amazing.

     

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,544Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Dakeru
    Originally posted by Kamandi777

    Oh and I dare you to roll a Thief and do the "My Story" chapter "Down the Hatch"--mindlessly absurd.  Beyond description how bad it was.  I thought it was bugged but no--it was designed to take like 3 hours.  Rewards? Some xps, a few coins and gear--once again--I didn't need.

     

    #EPICFAIL

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijSsSPCZGs Down the hatch done by a thief in 18 minutes.

    When you are having a hard time finishing a task, you can always change your active skills to adapt to the situation.

    You know, more like.. using a tactic rather than spamming skills?

    That's the hardest concept to grasp for a player only used to games with passive dodging (aka dodging is a number on your character sheet, you can't manually dodge missiles). In WoW, even a cloth wearer can stand right in the face of most mobs and take the beating, with shields that can take insane amounts of damage and last a long time, or they have so powerful CC abilities than the mobs can't even touch them. In GW2, if you don't learn to anticipate enemy actions and dodge, specially as a light armor wearer, you're going to die a lot. There's no everlasting shields that make you immune to most damage, the "oh crap" abilities have a very short duration.

    The thief in GW2 is a king of mobility, and if you don't use and abuse that mobility, you're going to suck at playing a thief. It's not the WoW rogue who can "stunlock" most same level mobs to death and who has OP perma stealth abilities to get out of most situations.

    Playing now: WoW, Landmark, GW2, The Crew, SotA

    Top 3 MMORPGs played: UO, AC1 and WoW

    Honorable mentions: AO, LotRO, SW:TOR and GW2.

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  • donpopukidonpopuki Dearborn, MIPosts: 591Member
    I've been playing GW2 since the beta. I work a day job, have a wife and kid. The casual nature of the game suits me very well. I get in 1 or 2 hours of play time every day and a bit longer on the weekends.

    I do my daily and then do some WvW with my guild. I'm on Santum of Rall which is the #2 server in wvw, which makes it more engaging to be part of a server that takes wvw seriously.

    Long term I plan to get all ascended gear and finally get enough mats to get my Legendary(s). I'll be at this for a while hehe.
  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by Dakeru
    Originally posted by Kamandi777

    Oh and I dare you to roll a Thief and do the "My Story" chapter "Down the Hatch"--mindlessly absurd.  Beyond description how bad it was.  I thought it was bugged but no--it was designed to take like 3 hours.  Rewards? Some xps, a few coins and gear--once again--I didn't need.

     

    #EPICFAIL

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LijSsSPCZGs Down the hatch done by a thief in 18 minutes.

    When you are having a hard time finishing a task, you can always change your active skills to adapt to the situation.

    You know, more like.. using a tactic rather than spamming skills?

    D'oh! 

    As for the dungeons, GW2 doesn't have a dungeon finder just like you seem to have no patience.  Don't expect them to dumb down the game anytime soon.  They've made WoW PvE so incredibly simple now, I can't even stand to play it.

  • strangepowersstrangepowers Chiacgo, ILPosts: 602Member Common

    I just did "Down the Hatch"... it's YOU not the game LOL!

    The scary part is one day the world will be run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating.

  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 17,949Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by keithian
    Originally posted by Loke666

    You never done a single dungeon and yet think you are done?

    Yeah, epic fail is the right words here.... 

    Oh, and I did down the hatch in less than 15 minutes 2 days after launch, I in fact did all personal story stuff including the really hard ones in Orr and still didnt any one of them even take half an hour. How many times did you die?

    Loke I hate to say it but you are extremely biased. Just because he didn't do a dungeon doesn't mean he isn't entitled to his opinion about the rest of the game. Im the opposite, I only did one dungeon, reached level 80, and loved my experience  despite barely touching the dungeons. The only thing I didn't like was the cheesy personal story (which did get a little better at the very end) and the monotonous feeling of the snowy areas...oh...and that the best city I have ever seen in a game was barely used.

    While he have right to his opinion not even trying a dungeon in any fantasy MMO and complaining that you are done after a few weeks is a huge misstake.

    You could say the same about Wow or any other modern fantasy MMOs because a lot of what we call endgame is about dungeons, particularly if you dont like PvP.

    Yeah, some people dont like dungeons and play the other aspects instead but you really at least should try them out before writing a review and bashing a game completely, they are a very important part of the genre.

  • VolkonVolkon Sterling, VAPosts: 3,788Member
    Originally posted by Kamandi777

    Can't express how excited I was when I started this game and how after 3 wks. I am completely done.

    Done.

    Crafting? Meaningless and silly.

    PvP?  Structured is OK, WvW is beyond ridiculous.

    PVE? Have no idea after 3 weeks how to get into a dungeon...seriously.  Guildies seem to be doing them but when I asked about joining...nothing.

    Goofy, meaningless, no goals, no friends, no fun.  A big perk is supposed to be "finishing a map"  I finished like 10 maps and NEVER once got any reward that I could use except xps and very little money.  

    You can't even duel anyone.  

    Oh and I dare you to roll a Thief and do the "My Story" chapter "Down the Hatch"--mindlessly absurd.  Beyond description how bad it was.  I thought it was bugged but no--it was designed to take like 3 hours.  Rewards? Some xps, a few coins and gear--once again--I didn't need.

     

    Well, have fun back in WoW I suppose... GW2 isn't for everyone. But... crafting meaningless and silly? I'm going to have to object to that oversimplification. My necro, when I reached 80, received a full set of exotic gear, weapons and jewelery that I crafted myself with mats I'd already saved up. A full, complete set, exactly the stats I wanted. This is not meaningless or silly in the least.  Dungeon... if your guild won't help you get into dungeons I think you may want to consider a new guild. There are guilds that are extremely helpful and focus on dungeon running and the like. WvW, btw, is an absolute blast.

     

    But, to each his own. I'd check the new updates to come, but if nothing entices you back then best of luck in WoW (or whichever game you land in). If everyone has a game out there they enjoy then we're doing good as a whole.

    Oderint, dum metuant.
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  • VolkonVolkon Sterling, VAPosts: 3,788Member
    Originally posted by cybertrucker

    While I find the game fun for casual play.  I am with you about the lack of social play within the game. Now people will come yelling at you on these forums calling you a hater for saying it but it is the truth. This does not mean its completely impossible to get a group going for a dungeon or other activities but it is definately harder to. Prepare for people to say your just not in the right guild. Well I have been in 3. All 3 of them have promoted their guilds as being friendly and active in all aspects of  play. However the truth is they only talk during WvW and only in voice to the people involved. PVE..

    GW2 suffers from the fact that 95% of the game was made to be soloable. Compounding this is that benificial effects and buffs are ground based AOEs so that you just effect those around you if you are in an area that would be considered more challenging. In most games those types of areas you would group up. In GW2 you don't have to. There is a huge difference between coexisting within a community mingling within a community. GW2 systems promotes people simply coexisting.  With sharing all rewards, and AOE buffs and heals

     

    I would like to point out that, disregarding events in Orr that require multiple people (and others as well), the new Guild Missions will be going a long ways towards some extremely social play and should be checked out before dismissal.

    Oderint, dum metuant.
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  • itgrowlsitgrowls newport news, VAPosts: 2,951Member

    People might be ripping him a new one on here for making broad general statements about most of the gameplay however there's one thing that no one can honestly claim is wrong. And that's the sorry excuse for rewards system this game gives you now.

    It's so bad that completing maps doesn't even give you good gear. So basically there's no reason to do anything on the game, 0 rewards = 0 rewards.

    Do pvp 0 rewards, do wvw 0 rewards, do dragon events 0 rewards, do dungeons tokens for looks, do open world events 0 rewards, do map completion 0 rewards, discover hidden chests 0 rewards.

    They need to fire the economy guy and that woman from Nexon and then maybe they'll have a stable economy in this game. $50 to gear your first 80 in exotics is not a good investment sorry.

  • MightyChasmMightyChasm londonPosts: 298Member
    Originally posted by Volenibblets
    Originally posted by Kamandi777

    You can't even duel anyone.  

    I think I have the cut of your jib right there. You're one of those people that jumps around stormwind repeatedly bugging people with the duel flag when they're trying to get a moments peace aren't you? I never understood people who want to duel but then again it's a long time since I was 12 years old. I'd recommend returning to wow if you miss all those features. It's like someone saying 'so I stopped eating chicken and moved onto beef and I was soooo dissapointed to find it tastes nothing like chicken?! And It doesn't even have any wings!! 

     

    Duelling; what prize twat introduced that into mmo's?  It is designed for exactly the sort of people I would never want to play an mmo with; if you enjoy duelling go play an online fps, at least it is a level playing field and some kind of sport.  

  • itgrowlsitgrowls newport news, VAPosts: 2,951Member
    Oh and I almost forgot about my favorite aspects of DR now, whole chests disappear for Dragon events AND dungeons. wow just wow. WoW never had that problem. Amazing that people are still playing and aren't outraged by this at this point.
  • RizelStarRizelStar Raleigh, NCPosts: 2,773Member
    Originally posted by itgrowls

    People might be ripping him a new one on here for making broad general statements about most of the gameplay however there's one thing that no one can honestly claim is wrong. And that's the sorry excuse for rewards system this game gives you now.

    It's so bad that completing maps doesn't even give you good gear. So basically there's no reason to do anything on the game, 0 rewards = 0 rewards.

    Do pvp 0 rewards, do wvw 0 rewards, do dragon events 0 rewards, do dungeons tokens for looks, do open world events 0 rewards, do map completion 0 rewards, discover hidden chests 0 rewards.

    They need to fire the economy guy and that woman from Nexon and then maybe they'll have a stable economy in this game. $50 to gear your first 80 in exotics is not a good investment sorry.

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