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Top MMO clan players who play like it's a job - what do they do for a living?

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  • endgame1endgame1 Chapel Hill, NCPosts: 84Member
    Originally posted by Mors.Magne

     

    But how do these people find the time? What do they do for a living?

     

     

    Clean their parents' basement. 

  • GreyhooffGreyhooff New York, NYPosts: 654Member
    Originally posted by Mors.Magne
    Originally posted by Panther2103
    A lot of the top players get sponsorships from companies to run things and be the best at what they do. If they clear something first, and stream it, or make videos of it, the more views they get the more ad revenue the companies provide to them. Some top gaming clans and top MMO clan players can make more than enough to live off of just playing their favorite game(s).

    You're proably right - but I suspect there is a bit more to this than meets the eye.

     

    For example, imagine you were on the road to becoming a professional MMORPG games player - what circumstances must you be in to have the time? You would prpbably spend a lot of time on the metagame and on the game itself.

     

    I imagine it would be an extremely unusual circumstance.

    Panther is wrong. There are no MMO players who make a living playing MMO.

    This is something that comes as a surprise to people who thought paragon were millionaires living off Asus sponsorship or whatever.

    Most top MMO guilds actually don't even play as many hours as you'd think. Most of their players have jobs, and I know casual guilds that spend more time in-game than a lot of top MMO guilds.

    It's just a matter of efficiency. Just like productivity of modern mechanised farmers vs ancient egyptian farmers who needed 10x the hours and manpower for the same yield of crops.

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  • fat_taddlerfat_taddler Wanaque, NJPosts: 286Member

    This is a great post as we've all come across these types of gamers.    

    One of my RL buddies falls into this category. You'd think he was some unemployed loser in his mom's basement but he actually works at his family's business and keeps a gaming rig in his office to play during the day.   He doesn't go crazy during work hours, mostly just does dailies or farming but he is online most of the day.

     

  • JaedorJaedor Denver, COPosts: 1,140Member Uncommon

    [quote]Originally posted by MurlockDance[b][quote]

    Anyway, getting back to the subject on hand, I know one heck of a lot of MMORPG players who are chronically ill and the internet/social gaming is an outlet for them to have a more normal life. Quite a few of them become major achievers in MMORPGs and cornerstones of important guilds and raid groups. They might be on social benefits, for whatever reason, but they always tell me about how important the internet has been for them, especially to avoid complete social isolation.

    Very few of the gamers that spend long periods of time in game that I know are basement dwellers or unemployed scroungers or whatever. In fact, most people I have met, raiders and non-raiders both, are people with jobs, sometimes kids, and other things ongoing.

    Probably some of the jobholders are lucky and are close to their jobs so they do not waste a lot of time everyday in traffic. That will certainly wear away what kind of free time you have to spend on games ![/b][/quote]


    In my experience, mostly this. The folks I've known over the years who are in game for 12-20 hours a day are retired, disabled, unemployed, working from home or students on break. For folks at home, mmos provide social interaction and are a great way to feel engaged with the world, even if it is only virtual.


    I used to spend 16 hour days in game on the weekends when I raided and was busy with guild duties. Easy enough to do.

  • gambe1gambe1 KrmeljPosts: 123Member
    I knew few people that could play at work. Goverment jobs mostly. No surprise there.
  • XiaokiXiaoki White Pigeon, MIPosts: 2,601Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Greyhooff
    Originally posted by Mors.Magne Originally posted by Panther2103 A lot of the top players get sponsorships from companies to run things and be the best at what they do. If they clear something first, and stream it, or make videos of it, the more views they get the more ad revenue the companies provide to them. Some top gaming clans and top MMO clan players can make more than enough to live off of just playing their favorite game(s).
    You're proably right - but I suspect there is a bit more to this than meets the eye.   For example, imagine you were on the road to becoming a professional MMORPG games player - what circumstances must you be in to have the time? You would prpbably spend a lot of time on the metagame and on the game itself.   I imagine it would be an extremely unusual circumstance.
    Panther is wrong. There are no MMO players who make a living playing MMO.

    This is something that comes as a surprise to people who thought paragon were millionaires living off Asus sponsorship or whatever.

    Most top MMO guilds actually don't even play as many hours as you'd think. Most of their players have jobs, and I know casual guilds that spend more time in-game than a lot of top MMO guilds.

    It's just a matter of efficiency. Just like productivity of modern mechanised farmers vs ancient egyptian farmers who needed 10x the hours and manpower for the same yield of crops.



    Its funny that you mention NO guilds are sponsored then use Paragon as an example because Paragon is indeed sponsored.


    Paragon teamed with the Chinese guild Dream and Dream is a well known e-sports sponsor in Asia.


    So, yes, there are WoW guilds that are paid to raid.

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,980Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Xiaoki

     


    Originally posted by Greyhooff

    Originally posted by Mors.Magne

    Originally posted by Panther2103 A lot of the top players get sponsorships from companies to run things and be the best at what they do. If they clear something first, and stream it, or make videos of it, the more views they get the more ad revenue the companies provide to them. Some top gaming clans and top MMO clan players can make more than enough to live off of just playing their favorite game(s).
    You're proably right - but I suspect there is a bit more to this than meets the eye.   For example, imagine you were on the road to becoming a professional MMORPG games player - what circumstances must you be in to have the time? You would prpbably spend a lot of time on the metagame and on the game itself.   I imagine it would be an extremely unusual circumstance.
    Panther is wrong. There are no MMO players who make a living playing MMO.

     

    This is something that comes as a surprise to people who thought paragon were millionaires living off Asus sponsorship or whatever.

    Most top MMO guilds actually don't even play as many hours as you'd think. Most of their players have jobs, and I know casual guilds that spend more time in-game than a lot of top MMO guilds.

    It's just a matter of efficiency. Just like productivity of modern mechanised farmers vs ancient egyptian farmers who needed 10x the hours and manpower for the same yield of crops.


    Its funny that you mention NO guilds are sponsored then use Paragon as an example because Paragon is indeed sponsored.

     


    Paragon teamed with the Chinese guild Dream and Dream is a well known e-sports sponsor in Asia.


    So, yes, there are WoW guilds that are paid to raid.

    And some gaming guilds such as Goons pay their senior officers to run their operations in various games.

    I actually met a guy who was (allegedly) paid $600/mo to tank for his guild in WOW.  Used to play EVE with us during his free time.

    I remember back when Lineage 2 first launched, there were clans advertising for members, and they required people to play at least 10 or even 12 hours a day (minimum).

    Always wondered who those folks were, because they had no shortage of members and their alliance held all the castles at that time.

     

    In my day MMORPG's were so hard we fought our way through dungeons in the snow, uphill both ways.
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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Kyleran
     

    And some gaming guilds such as Goons pay their senior officers to run their operations in various games.

    I actually met a guy who was (allegedly) paid $600/mo to tank for his guild in WOW.  Used to play EVE with us during his free time.

    I remember back when Lineage 2 first launched, there were clans advertising for members, and they required people to play at least 10 or even 12 hours a day (minimum).

    Always wondered who those folks were, because they had no shortage of members and their alliance held all the castles at that time.

     

    Really? i guess pay to win (or pay to be carried) is alive and well even in P2P games.

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,980Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Kyleran
     

    And some gaming guilds such as Goons pay their senior officers to run their operations in various games.

    I actually met a guy who was (allegedly) paid $600/mo to tank for his guild in WOW.  Used to play EVE with us during his free time.

    I remember back when Lineage 2 first launched, there were clans advertising for members, and they required people to play at least 10 or even 12 hours a day (minimum).

    Always wondered who those folks were, because they had no shortage of members and their alliance held all the castles at that time.

     

    Really? i guess pay to win (or pay to be carried) is alive and well even in P2P games.

    Yeah, I guess so, but I said allegedly because I have a hard time believing anyone could get paid for such an activity, but then again I'm really out of touch from the mainstream gaming world, so perhaps it was true.

     

    In my day MMORPG's were so hard we fought our way through dungeons in the snow, uphill both ways.
    "I don't have one life, I have many lives" - Grunty
    Still currently "subscribed" to EVE, and only EVE!!!
    "This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Kyleran
     

    Yeah, I guess so, but I said allegedly because I have a hard time believing anyone could get paid for such an activity, but then again I'm really out of touch from the mainstream gaming world, so perhaps it was true.

     

    I wouldn't doubt something like that will happen. If millions buy $25 mounts, $250 for a virtual item on D3, i can believe a guild can shelf out $600 a month, if that tank is really important for the raid.

     

  • Dexter2010Dexter2010 Beverly Hills, CAPosts: 244Member Common
    Based on observation, many such people are discontent with life and go overboard with escapism. In chat, my friend asked a woman in her forties, why do you take WoW (of all games lol) so seriously? She replied, "Life sucks, my job sucks, I'm still single and live with my parents, but in WoW, I can be powerful and a somebody." A really bitchy former guild master in his thirties was late for a raid and said "Sorry, I had to stay late to clean the deep fryer twice." A dumb teenager asked me to run his guild if he started one. He didn't know how to, but wanted to order adults around for a change. Sick....
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Dexter2010
    Based on observation, many such people are discontent with life and go overboard with escapism. In chat, my friend asked a woman in her forties, why do you take WoW (of all games lol) so seriously? She replied, "Life sucks, my job sucks, I'm still single and live with my parents, but in WoW, I can be powerful and a somebody." A really bitchy former guild master in his thirties was late for a raid and said "Sorry, I had to stay late to clean the deep fryer twice." A dumb teenager asked me to run his guild if he started one. He didn't know how to, but wanted to order adults around for a change. Sick....

    No doubt. I also have stories from the opposite.

    My guild leader and his gf, got married and quit wow to start a family.

    For most people, including me, MMOs are just entertainment that have to compete with other wants of life, and other entertainment.

    Another example. This weekend i am goingt to Napa valley (taking the wine train tour) with my wife, and going to sample Iron Chef's Morimoto's restaurant. While i am taking my laptop (has to for email & potential work), i doubt i would be playing much games.

    Similarly, during summer movie seasons, i often go to movie on SAT morning with my kids. That means i would not be playing MMOs (or other video games) then. And no raid, or online group, is important enough to take me away from that.

     

  • Salio69Salio69 under a rock, FLPosts: 428Member
    i've met many of these "leet" players and have gotten to know them pretty well in games. most of them are troubled people with no jobs or are escaping from life. there are a few who are just naturally really good at the game they are playing but most of them had some really bad problems in real life. getting to know them personally also made me stop picking on them because i've seen how messed up life is for them. you'd be surprised how many of them are on anti depressants.
  • FusionFusion VaasaPosts: 1,391Member Uncommon

    Some top-guilds have sponsors, enough so they can play them for living.

    Most are unemployed probably, from countries with awesome welfare systems that doesn't really require you to work for living ever.

    Some are underaged kids living at their parents with no responsibilities.

    Some are just no-lifers who work - game - work - game (i have one such friend, whom i met last weekend on a cruise and hadn't seen him in over a year).

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  • k11keeperk11keeper Kalama, WAPosts: 1,056Member Uncommon

    I don't know about others but for me when I was able to play the most hardcore was when I quit my fulltime while waiting to join the military. I was supposed to leave a few weeks after I quit but it turned into over 9 months when I found out i was colorblind. During that time I lived off savings and worked about 32-38 hours a week at a gas station just to barely getting by. By the end I had sold pretty much everything I owned other than my pc and my desk. Since I was so broke at the time all I did was play my MMO constantly cause I couldn't afford to do anything else.

    I've never understood how people are able to do this for years and years. Some I've known in the past go in sperts because of seasonal work. Others work that 9-5 job but literally have no activities other than playing their game. They don't date, they don't hangout with friends, they don't visit family etc. They just play their game with every bit of free time they have.

  • Dexter2010Dexter2010 Beverly Hills, CAPosts: 244Member Common
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Dexter2010
    Based on observation, many such people are discontent with life and go overboard with escapism. In chat, my friend asked a woman in her forties, why do you take WoW (of all games lol) so seriously? She replied, "Life sucks, my job sucks, I'm still single and live with my parents, but in WoW, I can be powerful and a somebody." A really bitchy former guild master in his thirties was late for a raid and said "Sorry, I had to stay late to clean the deep fryer twice." A dumb teenager asked me to run his guild if he started one. He didn't know how to, but wanted to order adults around for a change. Sick....

    No doubt. I also have stories from the opposite.

    My guild leader and his gf, got married and quit wow to start a family.

    For most people, including me, MMOs are just entertainment that have to compete with other wants of life, and other entertainment.

    Another example. This weekend i am goingt to Napa valley (taking the wine train tour) with my wife, and going to sample Iron Chef's Morimoto's restaurant. While i am taking my laptop (has to for email & potential work), i doubt i would be playing much games.

    Similarly, during summer movie seasons, i often go to movie on SAT morning with my kids. That means i would not be playing MMOs (or other video games) then. And no raid, or online group, is important enough to take me away from that.

     

    Exactly! I was out with my gf on a Friday 'til 1am. I logged in and the fry cook GM gave me shit for not being ready at the keyboard in case they needed me. I wasn't even in that raid group! Put the game down! It isn't love!

  • ZorgoZorgo Deepintheheartof, TXPosts: 2,226Member
    Originally posted by gambe1
    I knew few people that could play at work. Goverment jobs mostly. No surprise there.

    You cannot play games on a government network.

    Even gaming sites, like this one are blocked.

  • skyexileskyexile MelbournePosts: 692Member

    I work full-time...just play every spare moment :P

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  • XiaokiXiaoki White Pigeon, MIPosts: 2,601Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Salio69
    i've met many of these "leet" players and have gotten to know them pretty well in games. most of them are troubled people with no jobs or are escaping from life. there are a few who are just naturally really good at the game they are playing but most of them had some really bad problems in real life. getting to know them personally also made me stop picking on them because i've seen how messed up life is for them. you'd be surprised how many of them are on anti depressants.
    And many of these "leet" players that I have met and gotten to know well are just regular people. People with jobs, spouses and kids.


    They arent trying to "escape" from their real life problems, they are just playing a game and they are good at it.


    The heavy stereotyping in this thread is, unfortunately, not surprising.


    Why is it that when someone actually achieves success in an MMO the rest of the community so desperately wants to perceive them as a no life loser?

  • KazuhiroKazuhiro Hampshire, AZPosts: 504Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Zorgo
    Originally posted by gambe1
    I knew few people that could play at work. Goverment jobs mostly. No surprise there.

    You cannot play games on a government network.

    Even gaming sites, like this one are blocked.

    *Laughs uncontrollably for a few momments.*

    Yeah, sure, no way around that, nope, not at all.

     

    Anyway, while I was never into games with raiding and all that stuff. I did play some very time demanding pvp games like EVE and PERPETUUM for nearly 18 hours a day sometimes. In my case I'm a network administrator, my day consists of sitting either at home or in the office with one or monitors keeping tabs on performance and issues, and leaves me with nothing but time for games/internet until a issue arises. Honestly software takes care of almost everything today, but they have to keep someone on hand for the odd issue it can't handle.

    To find an intelligent person in a PUG is not that rare, but to find a PUG made up of "all" intelligent people is one of the rarest phenomenons in the known universe.

  • The unemployment rate in Spain for people 25 and younger is 60%.  In many countries currently that age group is in the 20-25% number.

     

    What makes you think even half of any of these people does anything for a living?  Yeah at first blush you would think that well at least a majority has got to do something.  But clearly that is not a good assumption.

  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn belleville, ILPosts: 1,701Member Uncommon
    They have their moms, wives, husbands, etc  do the cooking, cleaning, or otherwise making booboos go away ;)

    Concentrate on enjoying yourself, and not on why I shouldn't enjoy myself.

  • Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG

    Actually you will find that a lot of them are in the military or some other from of work sucha s mining where they have a huge downtime in between deployment or seasonal work.

     

    All of the other response that have house husbands or mom's basement are just being mean. I'm pretty sure that population is quite small in comparison to the working population (otherwise our economies will be like the Greek's).

    They will be.  Very soon.

  • OzivoisOzivois Phoenix, AZPosts: 598Member
    Originally posted by Sijjistoryus
    Originally posted by Mors.Magne

    In DUST - and probably in all MMORPGs - there seems to be several hundered players who are in the top few clans or guilds. They are the elite of the game - by a large margin - and they seem to play the game like it's a job. 

     

    If there is a tournament, their clans will be the top few teams.

     

    If you want to join them, the expectation is that you play the game like it's a job as well.

     

    But how do these people find the time? What do they do for a living?

     

    I'm just curious as to whether anyone has an insight into this.

    I played in these clans when I was very young. I remember my teammates like this:

     

    #1. A few of them were just graduating HS. If they did have a job, if was something like a part-time stock boy. Understandable for a 16-17 year old.

    #2. A few members of the guild were millionares. I remember one of them telling me how he had started and sold a CISCO-related network company for a few million. He had everything paid off, money in the bank, and time on his hands.

    #3. Most of the players all had jobs. They were married, too. After they worked for 8 hours, they simply played. I think some of them might have had some marriage issues. No all, though.

    #4. Some just lived at home with little to no responsibilities.

    #3: They aren't married anymore...

  • CnameCname KinabaluPosts: 125Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Greyhooff

    There's no one making a living playing MMOs though.

    Lots of gold farmers made a living through MMOs - through one might argue they are not really  "playing".

    "A game is fun if it is learnable but not trivial" -- Togelius & Schmidhuber

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