who ever in ther right minde believes that this game has 500k subs has lost there god damn minds. you can check this your self log in on any givin day at any time you will see only 50k-75k online. so lets get this right they have half a mil subs and only a fraction are playing the game. bull shit
The short version of it: EVE has no power creep, no unfair advantages, all it has is a brutally honest sandbox and a steep learning curve in terms of what you, as a player, need to know to get the most bang for your buck (waiting for skills to complete is a pain no doubt but if you're willing to jump in you'll find you can work around the training regiments especially now that frigates and tech 1 cruisers aren't the shit of EVE anymore).
I have to completely disagree with you here. There is no other game that I can even think of off the top of my head that has a powercreep as bad as EVE Online's is.
You go ahead and try to PVP in a rupture these days. I can one shot a rupture in my Tornado. Not even a blip on my screen. "Oh look a ruppie" *insta lock, F1, POP*. Was there anything else at this gate or just that piece of trash? Hell, I could probably one shot a rupture IN my rupture and the noob wouldn't know how it happened.
The rupture was a viable and highly respected PVP ship back in 2005. In fact, T1 Cruiser fleets were the standard until people started getting their BC and BS skills up. These days if someone told me that all they could bring to my fleet is a rupture, then I would point them to EVE Uni until they get some SP and have BC 5 at the very least. I can work with BC 5 in my fleet, but a T1 cruiser? lol
I remember catching a carrier ratting on a gate back in Geminate in 2006. We piled in on this guy and killed him and it was a huge deal. Wow, our corp just took down our first carrier. We were high fiving each other on TS. It was great.
These days? "You killed how many carriers? Just one? Oh, cool. Well post it to the KB next to the 10 we killed in our fleet earlier tonight. Oh and by the way, we've got a bunch of guys who can't really fleet up tonight cause they're busy playing LoL, but they'll jump in a carrier if we find any real action so try to bait some caps while you're out."
My tiny alliance that only boasts maybe 40 people online during a busy night has several Titans. A ship that when CCP put it into the game they said it would be so expensive and time consuming to construct them that only the most powerful alliances would be able to acquire one. Sure there's no power creep. lol
its nice how oblivious people read articles, anyway take a look at this major miss leading info there
"The game just recently topped 450,000 subscriptions for the first time in its ten year history"
what this means that in ten years, 450,000 people have came and subbed to the game at one time or another. this no where does it state in the article this is the current active subs. i still play the game and i can assure you, you will never see these numbers anywhere. hell even when you log in it clearly tells you how many are online. WTF how can anyone deny otherwise.
wow.....you got all that from my response to the 'tackle'? Just for grins, I will respond to your 'tackle and say, why would anyone want to 'tackle' for a fleet knowing full well that they will die? I am assuming you think its 'ok' to do menial work in a fleet, such as, tackling. okay so either you can read into a response, or you can not read it. reread mine and you will see i think the whole "you can always tackle" excuse is stupid. that's what "bs" means. so no. i don't think it's okay.
1) I have a hard time keeping myself together after reading your comment on the trial period. i'm sorry? i guess? i don't see how it is at all inflammatory.
2) I can only assume you read something between my lines about me wanting to pvp in 2 weeks of game play. because you said you wanted to play in nullsec in your op (i assume you wanted to play in nullsec, that is, which means pvp, and if you didn't want to fly in nullsec for pvp why are you complaining about it's time investment requirement?)
3) Not sure where the one day idea came from? because you want to pvp, apparently, but don't want to put in a massive time investment. which i get. but in eve, as in most other pvp games, you can't pvp from the get go/ day one/ the beginning.
4) Do you play EVE? If so, I hope you were not offended by my saying to stay away from this game. Apparently, you took offense at my post. I think I did what it was intended to do. i did not take offense to your post because this is the internet and getting offended or even emotional on the internet is like xerxes whipping the hellespont.
5) Quit apologizing about the judgement on arena games. No one cares. hey, i just wanted to cover my bases. people on this forum get snippy about all sorts of things. this thread is case in point.
6) Last, but not least, comment to the guy on 'tackle' was because I assumed he was making a statement to 'tackle' me in my post. The sad thing about typing in a chat room like this is you can read things into peoples comments. And yes, I was bored today with nothing else to do. This will probably be my last post for the day. Or until someone comes along with something for me to respond to.
ooo one more thing.
Do you know what 'little bee' is that was mentioned in a previous post? no idea. your little bee? in your sig? i'm pretty sure that's a goonswarm logo. EDIT: i looked again, and yeah. that's goonswarm alright.
And, do you have your signature option turned on? it is not because i don't have a sig.
Sorry, but I kinda threw a sig together on the spur of the moment. My first respons in like 2 years? And yea, I was bored. fair enough. that's what the internet is for.
Originally posted by Magiknight Aren't you supposed to play an MMO for years? Who cares if it takes you two years to do something.
People want to be competitive and enjoy all aspects of the game - in order to do so in Eve you need to invest a LOT of time before reaching that stage. (If you want to be even remotely effective, that is.)
To draw on a more themepark MMO, imagine you want to raid the end-game raids with your buddies and they need a healer. Well, it's gonna take you 1 year of solid play to reach that level before you can begin to enjoy the raids.
The general entry barrier is what puts most new players off Eve - not to mention you will probably end up investing a lot of $$$ that you didn't expect to.
I'm a newbie player... i love the everytime new discover about the game mechanics... for the moment i dont want to go nullsec I'm just doing some exploration, sec missions and most important... i'm chating with corp mates... That last point, the social interaction, reminds me to eq1, when, where the healer rans out of mana full party had to stop and the start chating and knowing each other... eve is not a frenetic game like wow or gw2, where there are always an interaction needed... you do more things than pvp...
I'm very happy with this game, really surprising game and my corp aspirations arent pvp... they focus on industry and mining and so... we have fun, that's the important point... high end game is interesting, but the time you spent reaching that point must be important too...
Originally posted by Skooma2 The OP makes a point, albeit unintentionally, that you can never really catch up to those who have been around a long time. And, that is what is keeping me from even trying the game. I wouldn't join a marathon where all the other runners have had a 15 mile head start.
There are a finite number of skills that can apply to any ship, and you can only skill them to level 5. Ergo you absolutely can catch up in the ship of your choice.
Older players can extend the range of ships they can fly, but if you're going to take that into account you might as well say that you're not going to play WoW because you'll never be able to catch up with the number of L85 characters the old players have.
Once you're past the first 6 months, you stop being limited by your skills in any meaningful way. Once you're 2 years in like the OP was complaining about, then your skills are long ago a null issue: all that counts is your player skills, assets and player interactions. ie: how you play the game.
This is even more true now that CCP has rebalanced the T1 cruisers and frigates, giving low-SP players viable ships right from the get go.
The OP is one of those players who thought he could grind and skilltrain his way to L33tness. EVE doesn't work like that.
Originally posted by mastergravy who ever in ther right minde believes that this game has 500k subs has lost there god damn minds. you can check this your self log in on any givin day at any time you will see only 50k-75k online. so lets get this right they have half a mil subs and only a fraction are playing the game. bull shit
I believe TQ has just under 400k subs. If you assume that an average eve player is logged in for 20 hours a week, then we'd expect to see an average of 400,000 x (20/168) = 47,600 online.
I'm a newbie player... i love the everytime new discover about the game mechanics... for the moment i dont want to go nullsec I'm just doing some exploration, sec missions and most important... i'm chating with corp mates... That last point, the social interaction, reminds me to eq1, when, where the healer rans out of mana full party had to stop and the start chating and knowing each other... eve is not a frenetic game like wow or gw2, where there are always an interaction needed... you do more things than pvp...
I'm very happy with this game, really surprising game and my corp aspirations arent pvp... they focus on industry and mining and so... we have fun, that's the important point... high end game is interesting, but the time you spent reaching that point must be important too...
No no NO! You're doing it WRONG!
You see, you're wasting your time flying around, having fun, making some friends, advancing your goals and focusing on what you can do, but what you should be doing is slumping into a bitter, envious sulk about the massive injustice inflicted on you by not being able to do everything that other players can do.
You are a disgrace to the mmorpg.com EVE community and you can rest assured that a forum ban is heading your way in very short order if you don't shape up and start whining, son.
Hopefully this can save much time and heartache for those planning on jumping ship from there current MMO. Turn back NOW!
But seriously, EVE is a pretty niche MMO that would never grab the kind of player numbers that a game like WoW would generate no matter how more user friendly/easier they made it. The game has a dedicated fan base that has enabled CCP to develop it for almost ten years all while making a profit. I only played the game for a few months but I hope they never listen to you and alienate that base in exchange for appealing to the masses.
I would agree, op misses the point with eve, either like the game or move on. Walking into a well established party and demanding to change the music is pretty annoying. Ps re the fiagr above, the game is not that difficult once you specialise and know what you want, but as I said wealth and people playing 2+ accounts is the ultimate barrier that many hit.
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I would play the hell out of EvE if it wasn't in space. I love me some high fantasy and if they could take everything about this game but make it a fantasy game... Well that would be the cats pajamas.
Woohoo, you haven´t heard about World of Darkness by CCP yet? Pity...
It's not for everyone. It appeals to a pretty hardcore niché market hence why the sub rate sits around 500k.
I can see why people like it - personally I prefer more 'gameplay' orientated games.
By this he means he prefers his hand held tightly ^^.
Do I? Eve is a game centered on simulation. It isn't questing, dungeon running, raiding, multiple characters nor is it focused on combat. It's also a pretty solo experience in comparison to some MMOs out there.
How you somehow came to this hidden meaning behind "I prefer gameplay orientated games" is beyond me.
I make a perfectly decent neutral post with my own opinion on how the game is a little too slow for me and get insulted instead, gg.
Simulation? Smoking something? EVE-Online is about as far from a simulation as you can get in terms of space games (your skill in-game is shown by the decisions you make outfitting your ship prior to a battle mostly, some skill is required knowing how to best kill things in PVP granted but... nowhere near simulation level).
Multiple character -> One of my best friends in EVE runs 3 accounts with 1 main and 4 alternating alts for different things (hauling, pvp, FW,etc)
Not focused on combat -> you can get ganked even in 1.0 systems (they only systems which are safe are they nooby starter systems for very obvious reasons, but everywhere else if you're worth the effort you will get popped innevitably).
Pretty solo experience... ok here you just sound like someone who played EVE for 1-2 months and gave up before even joining a decent corp... if you say EVE is pretty solo then you're calling mostly everyone playing it idiots because we gang....allot... the only things you generally don't do in groups are Complexes (though depending on location and time you might call in backup and share the loot), low level wormholes (C1, C2) and missions which are below level 4 ( though if you run into a tough one for your ship calling for help isn't unheard of).
we went on a roam a load of us newbs, my toon was about 2-3 months old at that point.. we engaged and took out some targets. I also played suicide tackler for a while, i still felt useful then... yer theres this several year old pilot in front of you.. but yes, i can still upset you by tackling you so my friends can get some damage on
we also ended up at war with other corps... granted when solo and caught unaware i lost.. badly... but it was hella fun...
trying to get on with basic tasks while keeping an eye on chat and watching out for incoming bad guys was a lot of fun
Hmmm ... interesting read. I started in 2005 as well. PCU was below 10k back then ... mostly about 6k. Anyway, EVE is heavy on player skill. The difference in character skills and gear augment the difference in player skill, but they do neve close the gap. A clever player has a considerable chance to take down a better equiped opponent. This is not true in many othere MMORPG games.
It seems quit funny that different people with about the same time invested in the game describe two entirely different games.
You have no ideea what are you talking about. You can go to 0.0 after 2-3 months, alone or in groups. There are so many video guides out there is not even funny.
Go back to ur shity theme parks.
Edit: U joined Goons? So u are troll, or just bad as all goons.
I'm a newbie player... i love the everytime new discover about the game mechanics... for the moment i dont want to go nullsec I'm just doing some exploration, sec missions and most important... i'm chating with corp mates... That last point, the social interaction, reminds me to eq1, when, where the healer rans out of mana full party had to stop and the start chating and knowing each other... eve is not a frenetic game like wow or gw2, where there are always an interaction needed... you do more things than pvp...
I'm very happy with this game, really surprising game and my corp aspirations arent pvp... they focus on industry and mining and so... we have fun, that's the important point... high end game is interesting, but the time you spent reaching that point must be important too...
No no NO! You're doing it WRONG!
You see, you're wasting your time flying around, having fun, making some friends, advancing your goals and focusing on what you can do, but what you should be doing is slumping into a bitter, envious sulk about the massive injustice inflicted on you by not being able to do everything that other players can do.
You are a disgrace to the mmorpg.com EVE community and you can rest assured that a forum ban is heading your way in very short order if you don't shape up and start whining, son.
Well Well, Mal you keep this up and maybe will exchange Facebook friends. Do not forget our new friends coming from consols soon.
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Originally posted by mastergravy who ever in ther right minde believes that this game has 500k subs has lost there god damn minds. you can check this your self log in on any givin day at any time you will see only 50k-75k online. so lets get this right they have half a mil subs and only a fraction are playing the game. bull shit
I believe TQ has just under 400k subs. If you assume that an average eve player is logged in for 20 hours a week, then we'd expect to see an average of 400,000 x (20/168) = 47,600 online.
Maths is great!
there is total of 1667 skill ranks. each rank is 256k SP. total skill points equals 426,752,000.
at 2700 SP/hour, it would take about 18 years to learn all skills to level 5.
at 2100 SP/hour, it would take 23.2 years to learn all skills to level 5.
from there fourms-
do you really believe that just 20hours a week can get anywhere close to these numbers. lets just say at 100 hours a week. now with this fourmula your useing you belive there is 200k online now. iam sorry but i cant agree with your math you simply just shit out that holds no merit to the games real time table
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Here is a piece from Forbes about how CCP is doing what no one else is, growing on a sub based model.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/12/28/eve-onlines-executive-producer-explains-how-the-game-is-still-growing/
Here is a piece from EvE about how some new players were not cowards as newbie and are tearing it up.
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74260
I have to completely disagree with you here. There is no other game that I can even think of off the top of my head that has a powercreep as bad as EVE Online's is.
You go ahead and try to PVP in a rupture these days. I can one shot a rupture in my Tornado. Not even a blip on my screen. "Oh look a ruppie" *insta lock, F1, POP*. Was there anything else at this gate or just that piece of trash? Hell, I could probably one shot a rupture IN my rupture and the noob wouldn't know how it happened.
The rupture was a viable and highly respected PVP ship back in 2005. In fact, T1 Cruiser fleets were the standard until people started getting their BC and BS skills up. These days if someone told me that all they could bring to my fleet is a rupture, then I would point them to EVE Uni until they get some SP and have BC 5 at the very least. I can work with BC 5 in my fleet, but a T1 cruiser? lol
I remember catching a carrier ratting on a gate back in Geminate in 2006. We piled in on this guy and killed him and it was a huge deal. Wow, our corp just took down our first carrier. We were high fiving each other on TS. It was great.
These days? "You killed how many carriers? Just one? Oh, cool. Well post it to the KB next to the 10 we killed in our fleet earlier tonight. Oh and by the way, we've got a bunch of guys who can't really fleet up tonight cause they're busy playing LoL, but they'll jump in a carrier if we find any real action so try to bait some caps while you're out."
My tiny alliance that only boasts maybe 40 people online during a busy night has several Titans. A ship that when CCP put it into the game they said it would be so expensive and time consuming to construct them that only the most powerful alliances would be able to acquire one. Sure there's no power creep. lolits nice how oblivious people read articles, anyway take a look at this major miss leading info there
"The game just recently topped 450,000 subscriptions for the first time in its ten year history"
what this means that in ten years, 450,000 people have came and subbed to the game at one time or another. this no where does it state in the article this is the current active subs. i still play the game and i can assure you, you will never see these numbers anywhere. hell even when you log in it clearly tells you how many are online. WTF how can anyone deny otherwise.
i was playing wormhoels and zero sec within 2 months of having an active character. I lost exactly... zero ships.
the game is interesting, i just prefer the physical character over space ship, so i unsubbed after half a year.
People want to be competitive and enjoy all aspects of the game - in order to do so in Eve you need to invest a LOT of time before reaching that stage. (If you want to be even remotely effective, that is.)
To draw on a more themepark MMO, imagine you want to raid the end-game raids with your buddies and they need a healer. Well, it's gonna take you 1 year of solid play to reach that level before you can begin to enjoy the raids.
The general entry barrier is what puts most new players off Eve - not to mention you will probably end up investing a lot of $$$ that you didn't expect to.
I'm a newbie player... i love the everytime new discover about the game mechanics... for the moment i dont want to go nullsec I'm just doing some exploration, sec missions and most important... i'm chating with corp mates... That last point, the social interaction, reminds me to eq1, when, where the healer rans out of mana full party had to stop and the start chating and knowing each other... eve is not a frenetic game like wow or gw2, where there are always an interaction needed... you do more things than pvp...
I'm very happy with this game, really surprising game and my corp aspirations arent pvp... they focus on industry and mining and so... we have fun, that's the important point... high end game is interesting, but the time you spent reaching that point must be important too...
There are a finite number of skills that can apply to any ship, and you can only skill them to level 5. Ergo you absolutely can catch up in the ship of your choice.
Older players can extend the range of ships they can fly, but if you're going to take that into account you might as well say that you're not going to play WoW because you'll never be able to catch up with the number of L85 characters the old players have.
Once you're past the first 6 months, you stop being limited by your skills in any meaningful way. Once you're 2 years in like the OP was complaining about, then your skills are long ago a null issue: all that counts is your player skills, assets and player interactions. ie: how you play the game.
This is even more true now that CCP has rebalanced the T1 cruisers and frigates, giving low-SP players viable ships right from the get go.
The OP is one of those players who thought he could grind and skilltrain his way to L33tness. EVE doesn't work like that.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
I believe TQ has just under 400k subs. If you assume that an average eve player is logged in for 20 hours a week, then we'd expect to see an average of 400,000 x (20/168) = 47,600 online.
Maths is great!
Give me liberty or give me lasers
Free to play = content updates for the cash shop. Buy to play = content updates for the cash shop.
Subscription = Actual content updates!
No no NO! You're doing it WRONG!
You see, you're wasting your time flying around, having fun, making some friends, advancing your goals and focusing on what you can do, but what you should be doing is slumping into a bitter, envious sulk about the massive injustice inflicted on you by not being able to do everything that other players can do.
You are a disgrace to the mmorpg.com EVE community and you can rest assured that a forum ban is heading your way in very short order if you don't shape up and start whining, son.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
Hopefully this can save much time and heartache for those planning on jumping ship from there current MMO. Turn back NOW!
But seriously, EVE is a pretty niche MMO that would never grab the kind of player numbers that a game like WoW would generate no matter how more user friendly/easier they made it. The game has a dedicated fan base that has enabled CCP to develop it for almost ten years all while making a profit. I only played the game for a few months but I hope they never listen to you and alienate that base in exchange for appealing to the masses.
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Woohoo, you haven´t heard about World of Darkness by CCP yet? Pity...
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Simulation? Smoking something? EVE-Online is about as far from a simulation as you can get in terms of space games (your skill in-game is shown by the decisions you make outfitting your ship prior to a battle mostly, some skill is required knowing how to best kill things in PVP granted but... nowhere near simulation level).
Questing -> Missions
Dungeon Running -> Complexes
Raiding -> High-level wormhole running (class 5-6)
Multiple character -> One of my best friends in EVE runs 3 accounts with 1 main and 4 alternating alts for different things (hauling, pvp, FW,etc)
Not focused on combat -> you can get ganked even in 1.0 systems (they only systems which are safe are they nooby starter systems for very obvious reasons, but everywhere else if you're worth the effort you will get popped innevitably).
Pretty solo experience... ok here you just sound like someone who played EVE for 1-2 months and gave up before even joining a decent corp... if you say EVE is pretty solo then you're calling mostly everyone playing it idiots because we gang....allot... the only things you generally don't do in groups are Complexes (though depending on location and time you might call in backup and share the loot), low level wormholes (C1, C2) and missions which are below level 4 ( though if you run into a tough one for your ship calling for help isn't unheard of).
And the issue is ? Last time I looked, EVE is not only zerosec. Also there are all levels of players everywhere.
I do think you are making up and entirely artificial issue. It's the same BS as the argument that newbs cannot catch up to the veterans in EVE.
It's ok for a game to NOT be tailored to all possible gamer types.
you can be a useful corp member early on
we went on a roam a load of us newbs, my toon was about 2-3 months old at that point.. we engaged and took out some targets. I also played suicide tackler for a while, i still felt useful then... yer theres this several year old pilot in front of you.. but yes, i can still upset you by tackling you so my friends can get some damage on
we also ended up at war with other corps... granted when solo and caught unaware i lost.. badly... but it was hella fun...
trying to get on with basic tasks while keeping an eye on chat and watching out for incoming bad guys was a lot of fun
Hmmm ... interesting read. I started in 2005 as well. PCU was below 10k back then ... mostly about 6k. Anyway, EVE is heavy on player skill. The difference in character skills and gear augment the difference in player skill, but they do neve close the gap. A clever player has a considerable chance to take down a better equiped opponent. This is not true in many othere MMORPG games.
It seems quit funny that different people with about the same time invested in the game describe two entirely different games.
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You have no ideea what are you talking about. You can go to 0.0 after 2-3 months, alone or in groups. There are so many video guides out there is not even funny.
Go back to ur shity theme parks.
Edit: U joined Goons? So u are troll, or just bad as all goons.
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there is total of 1667 skill ranks. each rank is 256k SP. total skill points equals 426,752,000.
at 2700 SP/hour, it would take about 18 years to learn all skills to level 5.
at 2100 SP/hour, it would take 23.2 years to learn all skills to level 5.
from there fourms-
do you really believe that just 20hours a week can get anywhere close to these numbers. lets just say at 100 hours a week. now with this fourmula your useing you belive there is 200k online now. iam sorry but i cant agree with your math you simply just shit out that holds no merit to the games real time table
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