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The least flawed: DF:UW v MO

PWN_FACEPWN_FACE SeoulPosts: 670Member

I'm not totally sure which forum I should put this in, because I want to hear from people who have played both the Darkfall:Unholy Wars beta and Mortal Online (which is kind of a beta as well, to be honest). Saying those things, I'm not here to bag on MO. I have a lot of love for the aspirations of this game and I have purchased 3 accounts. I also have 4 DFO accounts and pre-purchased DFUW for one of them.

 

What I want to know, without asking anyone to break the DFUW NDA, is if you have played both MO (since Awakening) and the DFUW beta, which one do you think is better? And because I know any thread posted like this will draw people who are down on both games, which is the least flawed?

 

Edit: I changed the title of the thread to make it clear I'm not asking aboot all indie games, but just these two, as they are even though one is in beta and one has been released for some time. You could argue they are very different if you want to, or you can say they are the only current choices for ffa full-loot pvp with an avatar that's not a spaceship.

 

 

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  • deathshrouddeathshroud londonPosts: 1,366Member
    i have both and they are very different games, i think dfuw is still under nda however so im not going to comment on them. Just waiting for DFUW to release im tired of the beta.

    there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

  • JacxolopeJacxolope Jackson, MIPosts: 924Member

    -That is kind of like asking which you enjoy better, Having a Wisdom tooth pulled or having a fractured ankle.

    I voted DF (not breaking any NDA either) because although both extremley flawed in ways I am not at liberty to explain I will say its far less buggy, runs better, looks better and works better than MO- AND hasnt been released for 2+ years.

    That said, neither is really a sandbox, neither is anything like UO and both seem (to me-) to be arena deathmatch games in a persistent World.

    Having tried both (and not going to continue playing either) I would without doubt say that DFUW is the better game...But that isnt really saying much.

  • HodoHodo Raeford, NCPosts: 542Member

    Definately not a fair comparison. 

     

    Its like comparing a new car to a 2 year old car with several recalls and 30k miles on it.  

     

    Of course the new car is going to be better, because its NEW!   Mortal Online is not a new game and couldnt be compared to DFOUW.    Just pointing out the obvious.

    So much crap, so little quality.

  • ThaneThane berlinPosts: 2,230Member Uncommon

    just to answer the topic (totaly ignoring your question tho... hehe):

     

    the least flawed indie game must be minecraft i guess :P

    "I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"

  • JacxolopeJacxolope Jackson, MIPosts: 924Member
    Originally posted by Hodo

    Definately not a fair comparison. 

     

    Its like comparing a new car to a 2 year old car with several recalls and 30k miles on it.  

     

    Of course the new car is going to be better, because its NEW!   Mortal Online is not a new game and couldnt be compared to DFOUW.    Just pointing out the obvious.

    ?

    In an MMO it is exactly the opposite. A game which is "new" (still in beta) should have more bugs, less features and far less time to have ironed out the kinks.

    After the amount of years (2-3?) MO has been out, I was amazed at the sheer amount of bugs and unfinished "thrown together" look and feel of the game.

    Now, many people probably do have a disposition to possibly be "burned out" on MO, or be a fanboy one way or the other (like a hardcore DF supporter or MO supporter who votes based on that alone) but myself, I think both games suck...But judging which game sucked worse was fairly easy and it was MO.

    I also only played MO for about a Month (same as DFUW) so granted there was alot I didnt see- My Judgement was based on what I did see as a new playedr in both games.

    I will give DF another chance after Beta- MO? Hell no. If basic bugs (like my things dissapearing from my bag) are there for so long after release and the customer Service HORRIBLE and server downtime like nothing I have ever seen (to the point they continue to delete the server status thread so there isnt a record of how much downtime there is..) after 2 years- And a beta game (DF in thuis case) looks and plays so much better- Well....

  • BurntvetBurntvet Baltimore, MDPosts: 2,938Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jacxolope

    -That is kind of like asking which you enjoy better, Having a Wisdom tooth pulled or having a fractured ankle.I voted DF (not breaking any NDA either) because although both extremley flawed in ways I am not at liberty to explain I will say its far less buggy, runs better, looks better and works better than MO- AND hasnt been released for 2+ years.That said, neither is really a sandbox, neither is anything like UO and both seem (to me-) to be arena deathmatch games in a persistent World.Having tried both (and not going to continue playing either) I would without doubt say that DFUW is the better game...But that isnt really saying much.

     

    I agree with this... it is like asking which is a better kind of cancer. Neither game is currently "up to snuff" for a releasable MMO. Both have serious, serious issues.
  • ToferioToferio RandomPosts: 1,403Member Uncommon
    Never include "show results" in a poll, that's a sure way to make it useless :P
  • HodoHodo Raeford, NCPosts: 542Member
    Originally posted by Jacxolope
    Originally posted by Hodo

    Definately not a fair comparison. 

     

    Its like comparing a new car to a 2 year old car with several recalls and 30k miles on it.  

     

    Of course the new car is going to be better, because its NEW!   Mortal Online is not a new game and couldnt be compared to DFOUW.    Just pointing out the obvious.

    ?

    In an MMO it is exactly the opposite. A game which is "new" (still in beta) should have more bugs, less features and far less time to have ironed out the kinks.

    After the amount of years (2-3?) MO has been out, I was amazed at the sheer amount of bugs and unfinished "thrown together" look and feel of the game.

    Now, many people probably do have a disposition to possibly be "burned out" on MO, or be a fanboy one way or the other (like a hardcore DF supporter or MO supporter who votes based on that alone) but myself, I think both games suck...But judging which game sucked worse was fairly easy and it was MO.

    I also only played MO for about a Month (same as DFUW) so granted there was alot I didnt see- My Judgement was based on what I did see as a new playedr in both games.

    I will give DF another chance after Beta- MO? Hell no. If basic bugs (like my things dissapearing from my bag) are there for so long after release and the customer Service HORRIBLE and server downtime like nothing I have ever seen (to the point they continue to delete the server status thread so there isnt a record of how much downtime there is..) after 2 years- And a beta game (DF in thuis case) looks and plays so much better- Well....

    I am no fanboy, or even a fan of MO, I think the game was a good concept but like WWIIOL developed by adults who have a hard time figuring out the difference between on and off.    MO is an old game, and a first real attempt at a MMO by SV.   DFUW is the second game by that developer, and they have learned from the first game so naturally its going to have less bugs.     One game has several years of bad press, and poor ratings.    The other is new and doesnt have much on it yet.   

    So much crap, so little quality.

  • ToferioToferio RandomPosts: 1,403Member Uncommon
    Might want to give DFU a chance to release before asking.
  • SnoepieSnoepie RotterdamPosts: 470Member

    Poll is not really usefull

     

    if you put the orginal darkfall there is fine tho.. ill vote for that then..

     

    Mortal online on the other hand had alot of time to get rid of the buggs and so forth.. which are still ingame.. this is kinda mindblowing for me..

     

    To me darkfall died with the upcoming unholy wars.. and ive been playing darkfall for 4 years.. but this unholy wars just simple makes me sick.

     

    they destroyed the one and only good thing of darkfall online.. which is the competetive gameplay..

     

    Ohh well i guess its time for something new tho.. the repopulation seems good start.. if they can deliver..

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Err.

    EVE & DAOC
  • argiropargirop AthensPosts: 300Member
    Originally posted by Hodo

    Definately not a fair comparison. 

     

    Its like comparing a new car to a 2 year old car with several recalls and 30k miles on it.  

     

    Of course the new car is going to be better, because its NEW!   Mortal Online is not a new game and couldnt be compared to DFOUW.    Just pointing out the obvious.

    I would say its like comparing a crappy car to a non working car. OP the two games are totally different so you ask for a comparison between two different things. Regarding quality DF even though its messy (still in Beta) its way more polished, complete game than MO which is released for almost 3 years and it feels like an alpha.

  • JacxolopeJacxolope Jackson, MIPosts: 924Member
    Originally posted by argirop
    Originally posted by Hodo

    Definately not a fair comparison. 

     

    Its like comparing a new car to a 2 year old car with several recalls and 30k miles on it.  

     

    Of course the new car is going to be better, because its NEW!   Mortal Online is not a new game and couldnt be compared to DFOUW.    Just pointing out the obvious.

    I would say its like comparing a crappy car to a non working car. OP the two games are totally different so you ask for a comparison between two different things. Regarding quality DF even though its messy (still in Beta) its way more polished, complete game than MO which is released for almost 3 years and it feels like an alpha.

    -Thats how I based my vote- On how "polished and buggy" since I have not spent much time with either game.

    I really cannot understand how MO has the amounts of bugs and just...feels "thrown together" vs darkfall (being a beta) looking a whole lot better- Although I really didnt like either game, thats just me I guess...

    Someone did make an interesting point which i had never thought of. I never played the old DF so I guess a  "revamp" would have less bugs I think...

    Hell, I dont know. darkfall is not nearly as entertaining to read about- That's for sure.

  • Crunchy222Crunchy222 new york, ILPosts: 386Member

    Hmm which is less flawed...mmorpg launched in 2010 or one that is in beta ( a real beta )

    Im still going to vote for darkfall given its under NDA and still in beta...knowing that AV works at a total snails pace, unholy wars should zip past MO's state within a month or tow of launch.

     

    Comparing MO to DF 1.0...1.0 was far better by a long shot.  Problem was MO always had the better game on paper, with DF 1.0 lacking a lot of depth.  However gameplay in 1.0 (and unholy wars) is lightyears ahead of MO's clunky combat and boring mechanics.  And you dont have to reroll if you chop too many trees in DF still...which is a huge advantage.  I HATE rolling alts to do different tasks.

     

    Hey since were on this might as well try to win a poll by asking if MO is less flawed than Embers of Caerus.  Or how about Earthrise...that should be an easy win for MO.  Maybe Xyson...however i think they are kind of on par.  Dawntide might work as a good easy win for MO...seeing as dawntide did have worse combat, and is dead.

     

     

     

     

  • archeagekingarcheageking new york, NYPosts: 88Member

    Arche Age Is a $50 million dollar sandbox that will trump all other sandbox games.

    O and AA uses cryengine 3. what does darkfall and mortal online use anyway?

    :p

    My prediction for this year 2013 is the year of AA in terms of polished sandbox game.

  • aRtFuLThinGaRtFuLThinG MelbournePosts: 1,133Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by PWN_FACE

    The least flawed indie game

     I don't know what answer you are fishing (though I have a fair idea)

    But one thing is for sure - it NEVER WILL, and NEVER WILL BE, Mortals Online lol.

    Hell MO is damn near close to the MOST FLAWED indie game of all time :P

     

    You poll is useless.

     

    And finally, to answer your original question - it is Minecraft.

    :)

  • Crunchy222Crunchy222 new york, ILPosts: 386Member
    Originally posted by archeageking

    Arche Age Is a $50 million dollar sandbox that will trump all other sandbox games.

    O and AA uses cryengine 3. what does darkfall and mortal online use anyway?

    :p

    My prediction for this year 2013 is the year of AA in terms of polished sandbox game.

    Yeah if you enjoy linear "on rails" quest hubbing AA will be for you.

    Not sure why people today call any game with crafting and player housing a sandbox.

    Also, not any of the developer inteviews ive seen had a single developer claiming sandbox.

     

    I think AA will be a fine game, but its no sandbox, no full loot, instanced sieges...its not going to be anything more than another overhyped game imo...i mean ill give it a try simply for the pirate/clan warfare...not sure if ill be able to get though korean style quest hubs though...that ususally doesnt last long for me.

     

    Nice advertisement btw.

  • deathshrouddeathshroud londonPosts: 1,366Member

    most are saying AA is a theme park, albiet a very well crafted one with some sandbox elements to flesh it out but anyone expecting a full blown sandbox would be disappointed. no idea how true that is but it seems believable

     

    i know a few of my guild tried the game, both gigamo and koli maybe others, they havent really talked about it since with any sort of enthusiasm so not sure if its as good as they hoped.

    there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

  • ToferioToferio RandomPosts: 1,403Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by deathshroud

    most are saying AA is a theme park, albiet a very well crafted one with some sandbox elements to flesh it out but anyone expecting a full blown sandbox would be disappointed. no idea how true that is but it seems believable

    To be honest Id prefer a title that combines best features from both sandbox and themeparks but avoids labeling itself as either. Im getting tired of either casual rides or hardcore buggy crap.

  • PWN_FACEPWN_FACE SeoulPosts: 670Member
    Originally posted by Toferio
    Never include "show results" in a poll, that's a sure way to make it useless :P

    I added this option because I know that a lot of people have not played both MO and the DFUW beta. Some of those people would want to see results and would thus vote to do so. Therefore, allowing those people an option to just see results seemed the best way to go.

     

    On your second point about waiting for DFUW to release, I don't think it's necessary because (A) we have no idea when it will release, and (B) people who have played both MO and the DFUW beta will be able to give a reasonable answer to the question asked.

     

    And seriously, I'm not fishing for any answers. I realize that both of these are niche games now and so a lot of people who are interested in ffa pvp will have relevant experience with both. I just want to see what people think and why. I've had good times in DFO and MO. I haven't played MO since Awakening and I only played a little of DFUW beta right after it opened. So I'm just curious.

  • StarIStarI waka wakaPosts: 924Member Uncommon

    i have to agree, I find it a rather bad comparison too, as UW is a rebuild of a game so technicaly it is a new game and not even released as such. Tho it really isn't that new, there's lots of rehashed stuff - having access to beta there's some exact bugs  that I've seen in original DF and I'm sure it's there because of copy/pasting....

    Usualy one would think that the upgrade of a game would actually mean just that, but AV managed the impossible and currently UW is in many ways a lesser product to what original DF was tho I hope they pull it through and I'd estimate UW could somewhere by the end of year be quite ahead of predecessor.

    But untill that happens, my vote goes to MO.

     

  • ToferioToferio RandomPosts: 1,403Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by PWN_FACE
    Originally posted by Toferio
    Never include "show results" in a poll, that's a sure way to make it useless :P

    On your second point about waiting for DFUW to release, I don't think it's necessary because (A) we have no idea when it will release, and (B) people who have played both MO and the DFUW beta will be able to give a reasonable answer to the question asked.

    Sorry, but comparing a beta which is likely to change to a released game is asking for nothing but bias.

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Eve is an indie game so no.

    Also daoc and ac were.
  • picommanderpicommander SolingenPosts: 246Member Uncommon
    MO is in it's final throes now: Seb is attempting to fix the server image (ongoing drama for the last days and it's getting worse and worse. MO fanboys still haven't lost their faith though image). I'ld give it a few more days until we can RIP this game and skip it from the poll. As a fallback for the remaining MO junkies I recommond "MO the pen & paper RPG".
  • AnubisanAnubisan Boulder, COPosts: 1,801Member
    Originally posted by picommander
    MO is in it's final throes now: Seb is attempting to fix the server image (ongoing drama for the last days and it's getting worse and worse. MO fanboys still haven't lost their faith though image). I'ld give it a few more days until we can RIP this game and skip it from the poll. As a fallback for the remaining MO junkies I recommond "MO the pen & paper RPG".

    You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I guess that's par for the course on this forum though..

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