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Advice to those bored of GW2, try TERA!!!
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It's not your opinion in which I am talking about. It's your knee-jerk reaction to reply overly defensive to anything with the slightest hint of criticism on GW2.
Now I questioned the intelligence of people who didn't like the change that DE's brought about? You shouldn't put words into my mouth or insult my game.
AEROWYN! He's picking on GW2 again!!!!
Umm no they didn't....not sure what you're even talking about. To block you have to block, there is no autoblock.
And dynamic to me isn't something that happens the same way every 15 minutes then resets. That would be called a scripted event in any other game...calling it dynamic seems to make it better though. I mean clearly dynamic! sounds better than scripted. Scripted just sounds boring.
People act like gw2 invented a whole new system of playing an mmo. They didn't, and that's why people get so disillusioned by all the fanboyisom that goes on around it. You go in expecting to see and do things you've never done before. But once you take a good look, it's all the same things you've seen before, just done a different way with a different focus.
It's not a bad game, and they did try and change things up. That's a good thing. But they didn't do what some fans seem to think. That's why people hate on it.....it's not the game, it's the pom poms so many try and shove in your face.
lol think some people are just way ot senstive in hearing things they don't agree with.. was just having a discussion no need to get all jumpy:) and i agree dynamic area quests would of been a good name as well
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Y'know... I have no big axe to grind against GW2 (bought and and enjoyed it), but the majority of posts in this thread are such no knowledge about TERA nonesense.
Still, this is the modern internet I guess... who needs to know shit all about anything to have a pro opinion?
No. Just no. I dont think anyone that enjoys GW2 raves about the tasks (hearts). I've never heard anyone complain about it, but I've never heard anyone go crazy for them either.
They're like quests basically. Except you don't have to talk to the quest giver, you just run into the area and do it if you want. That's what I typically do. Does it impress me? Kind off, only in the fact I dont have to read a boring wall of text unless I want to, and I can run into the area and get immediately to business.
But again, the tasks have very little to do with why some people are fans of GW2. If you tried GW2 and thought the big draw was hearts (tasks) and weren't impressed, quit, and thought that's what all the fuss was about, then you were mistaken. " Is that all it takes to impress you people? ".
Your assumptions are waaaay off there.
Is there anything non scripted in a piece of software?
I also like the green - it is the same just differently and with a different focus.
Exactly what I wanted.
And if you don't think GW2 plays differently just go look at "Let's play GW2" on youtube with people that didn't research the game.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
not unless a dev or player is actually controlling the character anything else is scripted just some scripts have more variables than others
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Playing TERA for 4 months, and can't get enough. I highly recommend it to anyone.
Gotta love people in this thread who say that they prefer GW2 over TERA because GW2 has story. I mean, sure, TERA's story is weak, but we've all played GW2, and you're not gonna fool anyone. Might as well say that Waterworld was deep and moving.
And you gotta admit, posting this thread in the GW2 forums will just get it burnt down by the casual gamer inquisition.
My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.
hearts aren't innovative... I think nobody should be impressed by that. They just filled the gaps with those renown hearts.
"Happiness is not a destination. It is a method of life."
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Oh I almost forgot. the other way that GW2 DE's and hearts are so much more advanced then tera's is the choices on things to do to complete them. How many of TERA's quests require a single function like kill x rats only to find that the entire field where the rats are located are completely dead because 30 players are in the area doing the exact same thing. Meanwhile GW2 DE's and hearts give you objects to pickup and put away, items to collect, objects to destroy giving people lots more options to complete the same thing, ie you don't have twenty griefers in the way while you're trying to complete something.
GW2 has alot of problems right now with their dungeoneer focus and their lack of loot and broken economy, but they did do alot fo things right and the DE's hearts are one of those things. Credit where credit is due.
Actually you are both wrong, there is nothing that's not CODED in a game but there can be a lot not SCRIPTED.
For example there is something called procedural content that's not scripted nor controlled by a human and it can be dynamic.
What I was expecting from GW 2 when I first read about dynamic event was something on this line:
1 - A random monsters village is build on the map.
2 - The village is not attacked for X day -> the village grow.
a - The players attack the village -> the village is destroyed.
b - The village grows again and raids against the near city start.
b1 - the players defend the city -> go to point 2.
b2 - the city fall, the mobs are in control of the city and they start to spread to other cities, and so on.
Instead I found out something on the line of :
1 - every x hours spawn the same event
2 - if players win -> go to scene A
3 - if players lose -> go to scene B
4 - after x hours reset everything and go back to point 1.
Well, the problem for me remains that I am bored with the questing in those other games, I'm not really trolling by saying Tera doesn't blow my skirt up. I hate the fed ex quests worst of all.
your first example is still just a computer program/script just much more complex with more variables thats all its all based on if X happens you go to y and if y happens you could get x y or z and so on.. issue is more variables you program in the more things could go wrong with interactions with other programs going on at the same time which will make for a lot more bugs and issues overall...
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
No, again it is coded not scripted, my example is a simple one, procedural programming is a lot more complex than that.
One thing that could do a big difference is taking into account the actions of the players more in a chaos theory way, you know a butterfly flap its wings in Tokio and etc...
A player fights back a centaur in an area, that centaur roams in another random area and starts a tribe and so on.
That's is coded, but the original coder doesn't know how it ends.
Of course is more complex and prone to bugs, but if we must follow your logic we should stick to Tetris so we don't risk any bug.
Anyone expecting a full scale world model simulator in GW2 was clearly smoking pot or something stronger.
Will be a few years before having something like that in single player offline game and more in an online game.
Just because GW2 didn't go all the way it doesn't mean go some way is somehow bad.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
In fact GW2 has some of your example, just not the growing and not many variables.
Centaurs take the camp, then construct siege, than conquer town, then conquer next town.
GW2, like most games, doesn't track passage of time.
And yes, your example is coded - condition A satisfied -> result A.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
not saying i wouldn't like what you are suggesting just don't see it feasable in a massive MMO thats all.. also in procedural programming it really is no differn't as it is still a program coded to allow for various thing to happen based on what happens.. but it still is limited in to what is programmed. It can't run off and create its own programs on its own growing dynamically like a true AI could if they ever created one(if this happens god help us:P). So in essence its still just a code following a program with many variables
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
1) My example is not a full scale world model.
2) I was expecting nothing from GW2 i was expecting something more when I first read about dynamic events but i understand soon where they were going with it.
3) If someone doesn't want people to expect too much shouldn't promise that much, if I tell you i'll bring you pancake and instead i serve you bread, the problem is not you (smoke or not) it's me lying.
You read the PR and stopped at that.
Anyone listening to something like this, http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1013691/Designing_Guild_Wars_2_Dynamic_Events , would know what Anet meant.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
Sorry, no again.
I'll write an example with art assets instead of coding, mayve it's more clear.
Let's say i have to populate a forest with trees.
I can model 10 trees and if need a forest of 1000 tree i can do something like:
while ( total trees < 1000)
add trees(x) where X is a random number from 1 to 10
Or I can have a function that for every tree generate a random model (there are already lot of middleware able to do it)
every tree will be different, and (at the moment of coding) i have no idea of how the forest will look like in the end, that's procedural content.
Hope you can see the differences.