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  • SuperNickSuperNick CambridgePosts: 460Member
    Originally posted by mikuniman
    $59 is pretty much the norm for any video game, $199 is pricey imo but it's for folks who like all the goodies, I'm glad that option makes them happy. Being ftp it's a choice I don't get the bitching, especially since people who pay any real currency are the ones funding the game. It's amazing people expect to game for 100's of hours for free and still complain. Honestly you think these people popping out games work for free?

    The problem is the game is entirely free - the benefits you get from spending said $59 nets you very little. It doesn't net you the game, you already get that for free.

    What if you had to pay $120 NWO to get the stuff that is $60? Would that somehow be worth it?

     

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,221Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    Originally posted by Akumawraith

    as to the issue the 200 dollar package isnt  a game pack its a founder pack. which gives access to beta and gives players the abilty to get closer to the Drizzt Do'Urden Charater lore.  Its completely optional, the game is free to play and download. Theres no requirement to pay out the 20, 60 or 200 dollars for founder packs. they are completely optional. I dnt see the issue unless you are one of the gimme generation in which case id call it whining.

    So they develop "Founders Packs" that noone "has" to buy and advertise it like crazy including on the Champions Online and Star Trek Online logon screens in hopes of noone buying it.

    Or

    They overprice them to the point of them being more expensive than any WoW Collectors Edition and the masses go nom nom nom in defense of an overpriced product.

    Sounds like great marketing logic.

    It is less expensive than a regular box xpac fee + a year worth of subscription to WoW.  $15 * 12 + $60 = $240.  Additionally at the end of that year you don't get to play WoW anymore if you stop paying.

    Sounds like little logical thought has gone into your argument.

    Wasn't talking about subscription vs F2P and was talking about and comparing buying top end products from WoW and Neverwinter which you ignored and made a post which had nothing to do with a F2P game charging more than Blizzard.

    And little thought when into my argument?

    LIttle logical thought went into it.  Logic was the keyword.  The ridiculous "nom nom nom" comment to make purchasers sound like idiots only supports that you're using a baseless emotional argument and not logic.

    You can't take each fee and charge in a vacuum.  You're talking about the expense of playing the game.  For one the WoW expac/box fee is required to play the game.  The founder pack is not.

    What I hear you saying is that this is expensive compared to WoW.  What I'm saying is that there are other costs to WoW that end up making it a potentially more expensive package overall an option for one game is not more expensive than the requirement for the other.

    To turn that argument around, let's say I don't buy any founder packs so my cost of entry is $0, but WoW charges at least $60 as a base entry just to start playing the game, in addition to continued recurring fees and a cash shop.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    To turn that argument around, let's say I don't buy any founder packs so my cost of entry is $0, but WoW charges at least $60 as a base entry just to start playing the game, in addition to continued recurring fees and a cash shop.

    actually WOW is free for the first 20 levels. So you *can* start at $0.

    But the point is well taken. It is silly to complain about how a FREE-to-play game is priced. Don't like the price, don't pay it. No one is forcing you.

     

  • dave6660dave6660 New York, NYPosts: 2,543Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jemcrystal

    Let the silly rich people think they're getting a deal with beta access.

    In general, people don't become rich by being "silly" with their money.  Lottery winners being the notable exception.

     

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  • DauzqulDauzqul Detroit, MIPosts: 1,410Member Uncommon
    I agree. It is too high. In my honest opinion, it makes the company look poor. When I saw that it was Cryptic, I decided to end the curiousity.
  • muffins89muffins89 Yakima, WAPosts: 1,306Member Uncommon
    how is free to play priced too high?

    I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by muffins89
    how is free to play priced too high?

    still trying to figure that out myself...

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  • cronius77cronius77 Fairfax, VAPosts: 1,351Member Uncommon
    hes talking about the founders packs and i agree they are way to high IMO . While its free to play game charging 200 bucks for a founders title mounts and other few perks is more than i would spend on a game personally but i guess some people have way more money to spend on gaming than i do. I have a decent paying job to but throwing out 200 bucks on a free to play game....i guess im just to stingy with my money.
  • koboldfodderkoboldfodder Danbury, DEPosts: 390Member Uncommon

    It's not free to play.  There is nothing free in this world.  Get used to it.  Oh, and get a better job...lol.

     

    What I want to know is how they came up with that 549 dollar value on that 200 dollar purchase.  I can see the 200 dollars, because that (or at least 199) is pretty standard for pricing items in terms of incrimental gains.  But 549 is an odd number.  Why not just say it is a 500 dollar value, or even better a 600 dollar value.

     

    A few worthless virtual items is worth 549 dollars?

     

    This game will be Pay to Win, anyone who has ever played a Cryptic game or a PWE game knows exactly what I am talking about.  I look forward to reading the official forums once people actually figure out that free does not really mean free.

     

    Now, where did I put my wallet....lol.

  • moguy2moguy2 Saint Peters, MOPosts: 337Member
    Doesnt anyone sell food stamps any more? I pay a ton into the system I know some one has to be selling these still. 300 dollars in food stamps = 200 for the game. Thank me later for the idea.
  • FromHellFromHell NY, NYPosts: 1,311Member
    Originally posted by Deviron
    Originally posted by killahh
     Get a better education and a better job.

    You need a better education.  If you had one you would know that statement is full of so much ignorance.

    Some people cannot afford such luxuries. Kids, current status in life beyond work, and many more reasons can make it hard to spend 60$ on something they are not quite sure about.

    To me its a money grab, but that is how the world works.

    agree with the statement of killah.

    If that amount of money is a problem, you have to adjust your earnings instead of complaining about pricing.

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  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by cronius77
    hes talking about the founders packs and i agree they are way to high IMO . While its free to play game charging 200 bucks for a founders title mounts and other few perks is more than i would spend on a game personally but i guess some people have way more money to spend on gaming than i do. I have a decent paying job to but throwing out 200 bucks on a free to play game....i guess im just to stingy with my money.

    i know what OP is talking about but considering games like TERA and WoW and so many others charge $20+ for a single mount i don't see this really unreasonable since many of those other games were charging box price + sub fee + charging for extra items... at least here you only need to spend a dime if you want the extra items.

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  • akiira69akiira69 San Diego, CAPosts: 590Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jemcrystal

    What is this illusion that gamers are rich?

     

    It would have been better if they sold their VIP Founder Pack for, at most, $40.00.  Then there would have been a lot of peeps riding around on spiders and no one jealous.  Selling it a $200 is to much and stupid.  Now only a few peeps will pay $199.99 and PWE will get less money for their greed.  Guardian Pack should of been $20 and Starter Kit is garbage.

     

    I would not go thru the torment of a beta if someone paid me; any beta.  They should have sold that separately for the masochists at any price from $600 to $60.  Let the silly rich people think they're getting a deal with beta access.  

    Every P2P MMO that has been released with in the past 5 years has offered lifetime Subs for this price with no rewards. Atleast with Cryptic and PWE their are giving you some goodies if you spend that amount.

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  • TheOctagonTheOctagon Arcade, NYPosts: 255Member Uncommon

    Is there an option for buying a Lifetime Sub? I haven't seen one yet. Just the high priced Founder Packs that gives you items you don't really need to play the game, they don't include Lifetime anything.

    Craptics seen how much they can get people to nickle and dime through STO, I doubt you'll see a lifetime anytime soon. This games going to be like SWTOR. Everyones going to defend it, then when it fails, they'll still defend it because they can't admit they were wrong in the first place.

  • akiira69akiira69 San Diego, CAPosts: 590Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by TheOctagon

    Is there an option for buying a Lifetime Sub? I haven't seen one yet. Just the high priced Founder Packs that gives you items you don't really need to play the game, they don't include Lifetime anything.

    Craptics seen how much they can get people to nickle and dime through STO, I doubt you'll see a lifetime anytime soon. This games going to be like SWTOR. Everyones going to defend it, then when it fails, they'll still defend it because they can't admit they were wrong in the first place.

    Oh you mean like the fools who defend the craptastic Guild Wars 2? Or the fools that says SOE can do no wrong? Or the fools that claim because D3 is online only it should be treated like a MMO?

    "Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"

  • TheOctagonTheOctagon Arcade, NYPosts: 255Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by akiira69
    Originally posted by TheOctagon

    Is there an option for buying a Lifetime Sub? I haven't seen one yet. Just the high priced Founder Packs that gives you items you don't really need to play the game, they don't include Lifetime anything.

    Craptics seen how much they can get people to nickle and dime through STO, I doubt you'll see a lifetime anytime soon. This games going to be like SWTOR. Everyones going to defend it, then when it fails, they'll still defend it because they can't admit they were wrong in the first place.

    Oh you mean like the fools who defend the craptastic Guild Wars 2? Or the fools that says SOE can do no wrong? Or the fools that claim because D3 is online only it should be treated like a MMO?

    Those would be the ones, yep..XD

  • adkenneradkenner Prescott, AZPosts: 18Member
    Originally posted by dinams
    Originally posted by mikuniman
    $59 is pretty much the norm for any video game, $199 is pricey imo but it's for folks who like all the goodies, I'm glad that option makes them happy. Being ftp it's a choice I don't get the bitching, especially since people who pay any real currency are the ones funding the game. It's amazing people expect to game for 100's of hours for free and still complain. Honestly you think these people popping out games work for free?

    59 bucks is norm for video games that are:

    A)A game that is know for its quality and for the quality of its gameplay like skyrim

    B)A very hyped product like call of duty

     

    This Neverwinter mmo does not fit in any of those categories, heck not even GW2 or SW:TOR standard packs were priced 60 bucks

    59.99 is the standard price for basically every game on the planet now. Give me ANY new console game that is not 59.99 plus tax? MOST PC new PC games are either 49.99 or 59.99...and no one complains. There are a lot of MMO's that have no problem charging you 49.99 plus tax for the game...then 15$ a month sub...and put things in the cash shop. 

    GW2 I'm pretty sure was 60$....but even if it was 50$....they had things for you to buy the second you logged in. You started getting chests that required you to purchase keys right away. 

    IMO....GW2 turned out to be very boring and underwhelming in almost every way....and it REQUIRED you to pay a MIMIMUM of 60 bucks to play the game. If you want to play GW2...you have to buy it....and if you end up not liking it...they still got your money. It's only saving grace is that there is not a sub...so some people like myself MIGHT give it another try if they fix the things that are wrong with it. 

    With Neverwinter....if you have a little bit of patience....you will be able to play the game for nothing. You will be able to give the game an extremely extensive "try out" without ever dropping a dime....AND there wll be a ton of people that NEVER spend any money on the game. 

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,674Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jemcrystal

    What is this illusion that gamers are rich?

     

    It's got to be either a generation thing or an mmo gamer specific thing, because it's a strange level of entitlement that doesn't exist in any other entertainment consumer base. The game is free. It will cost the majority of people that play it absolutely nothing. If someone wants VIP tier content - like with any club, performance, venue, etc - that is available. It's there for the people that want to buy it. That person is not YOU

     

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