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  • AkumawraithAkumawraith Fort wayne, INPosts: 335Member Common
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    I agree with the OP - $200 is comical.

    Yep.  This is unfortunate news.

    you dont need to pay anything to play so i dont see why your whining.

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  • MMOGamer71MMOGamer71 Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 1,930Member Common
    Originally posted by Akumawraith
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    I agree with the OP - $200 is comical.

    Yep.  This is unfortunate news.

    you dont need to pay anything to play so i dont see why your whining.

    I don't see why having a position that $200 for a top end F2P game pack is too much is whining.  Then again it's easier to say that than address the "issue."

     

    Edit:

    Also this top end "Founders Pack" costs more than the Collectors Editions of any WoW expansion and more than SWTOR too. 

  • zomard100zomard100 karlovacPosts: 228Member
    What is 200$ for you Americans??? In my country you can buy a good horse, composite bow, sabre, some food and wine for this money and you can ride in to sunset
  • AkumawraithAkumawraith Fort wayne, INPosts: 335Member Common
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    Originally posted by Akumawraith
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    I agree with the OP - $200 is comical.

    Yep.  This is unfortunate news.

    you dont need to pay anything to play so i dont see why your whining.

    I don't see why having a position that $200 for a top end F2P game pack is too much is whining.  Then again it's easier to say that than address the "issue."

    as to the issue the 200 dollar package isnt  a game pack its a founder pack. which gives access to beta and gives players the abilty to get closer to the Drizzt Do'Urden Charater lore.  Its completely optional, the game is free to play and download. Theres no requirement to pay out the 20, 60 or 200 dollars for founder packs. they are completely optional. I dnt see the issue unless you are one of the gimme generation in which case id call it whining.

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  • ArglebargleArglebargle Austin, TXPosts: 1,414Member Uncommon

    I think the value for this is minimal, but then Cryptic (or PW) probably has a pretty good grasp on how many people will fork over the money for these things.  I doubt anyone will be forced to.   It just gets them some upfront cash, and gives bennies to the diehards.

     

    Not being a fan of Drizzt at all (or at least the couple of poorly written novels I tried to read), this doesn't have that much appeal.   For some, it could be the pinnacle of uttermost cool.   I am going to try it out, eventually, for free and see if the mechanics and implementation are fun, for me.

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  • MMOGamer71MMOGamer71 Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 1,930Member Common
    Originally posted by Akumawraith
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    Originally posted by Akumawraith
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    I agree with the OP - $200 is comical.

    Yep.  This is unfortunate news.

    you dont need to pay anything to play so i dont see why your whining.

    I don't see why having a position that $200 for a top end F2P game pack is too much is whining.  Then again it's easier to say that than address the "issue."

    as to the issue the 200 dollar package isnt  a game pack its a founder pack. which gives access to beta and gives players the abilty to get closer to the Drizzt Do'Urden Charater lore.  Its completely optional, the game is free to play and download. Theres no requirement to pay out the 20, 60 or 200 dollars for founder packs. they are completely optional. I dnt see the issue unless you are one of the gimme generation in which case id call it whining.

    So they develop "Founders Packs" that noone "has" to buy and advertise it like crazy including on the Champions Online and Star Trek Online logon screens in hopes of noone buying it.

    Or

    They overprice them to the point of them being more expensive than any WoW Collectors Edition and the masses go nom nom nom in defense of an overpriced product.

     

    Sounds like great marketing logic.

  • AkumawraithAkumawraith Fort wayne, INPosts: 335Member Common
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    Originally posted by Akumawraith
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    Originally posted by Akumawraith
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    I agree with the OP - $200 is comical.

    Yep.  This is unfortunate news.

    you dont need to pay anything to play so i dont see why your whining.

    I don't see why having a position that $200 for a top end F2P game pack is too much is whining.  Then again it's easier to say that than address the "issue."

    as to the issue the 200 dollar package isnt  a game pack its a founder pack. which gives access to beta and gives players the abilty to get closer to the Drizzt Do'Urden Charater lore.  Its completely optional, the game is free to play and download. Theres no requirement to pay out the 20, 60 or 200 dollars for founder packs. they are completely optional. I dnt see the issue unless you are one of the gimme generation in which case id call it whining.

    So they develop "Founders Packs" that noone "has" to buy and advertise it like crazy including on the Champions Online and Star Trek Online logon screens in hopes of noone buying it.

    Or

    They overprice them to the point of them being more expensive than any WoW Collectors Edition and the masses go nom nom nom in defense of an overpriced product.

     

    Sounds like great marketing logic.

    considering they developed the game, are giving it to players for free and are charging for founders packs.. sure why not they have to make some capitol as they arent asking for anything from the players to play the game. and as for the founder packs. Yes they are optional.  if someone wants to pay for a founders pack it is thier choice. However  the packages are for access to the beta  which is thier right. there is nothing stating you have to pay for the founders packs to play the game. If you choose to pay for the founders pack and get into the beta you get a first hand look at the game till level 30 for this weekend not sure what for follow up weekends.

    I dont see it as a bad deal. however the 200 dollar package gives you a unique apect in the game.. a character and history similar to a legendary character in the forgotten Realms setting. if you dont know who that is im sorry, you should  do your research on a subject matter before criticizing it.

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  • leobreleobre viamaoPosts: 12Member

    Here's my take on this:

    The company has the right to charge whatever they want , first of all.  We players , on the other hand, dont have to pay it.

    I just dont understand why not include the beta access on the U$ 20,00 deal, thats what makes it look like a money grab to me.

    If they did that people who want to try out the game without spending too much could do so , and the other 2 packs would be the luxury ones , everybody would win , everybody would be happy !

    On kickstarter games thats what happens, you can donate whatever you are capable of , they dont start off asking for U$ 60,00.

    Its all about good sense. As i said the company can charge whatever they want but i dont think they made the right decision here. Think about it, why not give access on the 20 bucks deal since the game is going to be free anyway ? 

    The only other reason i could think of would be server traffic problems but in any case if they sell a lot of U$ 60 pakcs they will have that anyways....

    Another thing they should do is come out loud announcing : " this game is not going to be pay to win !"   that  would calm everybody down. Theres no reason not to do it unless you are really not sure about it.  

    If they are not sure about it just make it B2P !  Look at GW2 !   Charge something like U$ 30,00 to enter , have some luxury items on the cash shop but nothing to break the game ,and then charge again on the expansions and you wont have to worry about all this f2p crap....

    Honesty is always the best option on the long run !

     

  • BrianshoBriansho Woodbridge, VAPosts: 4,779Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Akumawraith
    Originally posted by Briansho
    The 199 pack is for the impulse purchasers who don't want to wait 3 months to get the stuff cheaper or in game. 

    They have not said either way whether the founder pack items will be found on the cstore.. however if i remeber correctly in STo many things that are founder based never made it to ingame till much much later, if at all.

    Ok maybe 6-12 months after release :)

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  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade KingsmouthPosts: 2,641Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by GwapoJosh
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Deviron
    Originally posted by killahh
     Get a better education and a better job.

    You need a better education.  If you had one you would know that statement is full of so much ignorance.

    Some people cannot afford such luxuries. Kids, current status in life beyond work, and many more reasons can make it hard to spend 60$ on something they are not quite sure about.

    To me its a money grab, but that is how the world works.

    It's free to play.  How much of a money grab is that?

    I don't get your point about people who can't afford luxuries and how unfair that is.  What's your point?

    The point is that it's f2p and people are paying $200 for it and you don't even get anything in the mail..  It's the biggest mmo money grab I have ever seen.

    It's the same thing as paying for a year long subscription, or even a CE from the newest MMO + six months subscription.

    If you read the package description, it comes with a ton of in game store currency - which means you'll be able to get all the unlocks you want when they added more classes, adventures, areas - and all the cosmetics you want.

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  • mikunimanmikuniman Keene, NYPosts: 312Member
    $59 is pretty much the norm for any video game, $199 is pricey imo but it's for folks who like all the goodies, I'm glad that option makes them happy. Being ftp it's a choice I don't get the bitching, especially since people who pay any real currency are the ones funding the game. It's amazing people expect to game for 100's of hours for free and still complain. Honestly you think these people popping out games work for free?
  • winterwinter El Paso, TXPosts: 2,276Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    Originally posted by Akumawraith
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    I agree with the OP - $200 is comical.

    Yep.  This is unfortunate news.

    you dont need to pay anything to play so i dont see why your whining.

    I don't see why having a position that $200 for a top end F2P game pack is too much is whining.  Then again it's easier to say that than address the "issue."

     

    Edit:

    Also this top end "Founders Pack" costs more than the Collectors Editions of any WoW expansion and more than SWTOR too. 

     Maybe because the games F2P and and download it cost nothing actually. Maybe becasue there are $20 and $60 packs people could also buy if they want the incentives. People that whine that they can't have the $200 pack for $20 are just that entitled winners that want it all for little to nothing. They want the game to have big budget standards but they sure as hell don't want to pay even remotely close to what most subscription or even B2P games cost.

     Using your WoW example is good one, pay what $50 for the wow expansion which i assume will get you the base wow game as well. Then pay $15 a month for a year = $180 plus the $50 expansion pack cost = WoW $230 and thats if you don't buy some wow ingame cash shop mount etc..

       So yeah to play WoW for a year you HAVE to pay $230 (roughly). To Play Neverwinter you HAVE to pay $0. If you want the most expensive founders pack, you know becaause getting the $20 or $60 one isn't good enough. Then yes you'll still pay less then a year of WoW and have a in game mount, companion, special race and a ton of in game money to buy cash shop items with.

      Really this thread just shows that people will bitch, whine, and complain no matter what you do. If they did make the top level founders pack $20 people would still complain saying it cost more then Torchlight 2 and that someone can have something the F2P players don't, or complain saying its so cheap becasue the developers believe the games worthless.

  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade KingsmouthPosts: 2,641Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mikuniman
    $59 is pretty much the norm for any video game, $199 is pricey imo but it's for folks who like all the goodies, I'm glad that option makes them happy. Being ftp it's a choice I don't get the bitching, especially since people who pay any real currency are the ones funding the game. It's amazing people expect to game for 100's for free of hours and still complain. Honestly you think these people popping out games work for free?

    Sadly it's something that's ridiculously common nowadays, everything has to be free - and heaven forbid that someone buys something from a store, shame on you for buying something that should've been free - and even moreso shame on the devs for selling something!  :P

    Maybe they should try living off donations? But from someone else, right? Because then the arguement of these people would be "LOL, I'm not gonna give them money so that they can make games all day! Get a job you bums!"

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  • dinamsdinams Muriae, VAPosts: 1,362Member
    Originally posted by mikuniman
    $59 is pretty much the norm for any video game, $199 is pricey imo but it's for folks who like all the goodies, I'm glad that option makes them happy. Being ftp it's a choice I don't get the bitching, especially since people who pay any real currency are the ones funding the game. It's amazing people expect to game for 100's of hours for free and still complain. Honestly you think these people popping out games work for free?

    59 bucks is norm for video games that are:

    A)A game that is know for its quality and for the quality of its gameplay like skyrim

    B)A very hyped product like call of duty

     

    This Neverwinter mmo does not fit in any of those categories, heck not even GW2 or SW:TOR standard packs were priced 60 bucks

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  • mikunimanmikuniman Keene, NYPosts: 312Member
    Originally posted by dinams
    Originally posted by mikuniman
    $59 is pretty much the norm for any video game, $199 is pricey imo but it's for folks who like all the goodies, I'm glad that option makes them happy. Being ftp it's a choice I don't get the bitching, especially since people who pay any real currency are the ones funding the game. It's amazing people expect to game for 100's of hours for free and still complain. Honestly you think these people popping out games work for free?

    59 bucks is norm for video games that are:

    A)A game that is know for its quality and for the quality of its gameplay like skyrim

    B)A very hyped product like call of duty

     

    This Neverwinter mmo does not fit in any of those categories, heck not even GW2 or SW:TOR standard packs were priced 60 bucks

    It’s still ftp and paid packages are an option so what’s your point? Those games you mentioned a decent number of people like and are currently playing. To them it’s worth it. Quality seems to be maybe what your opinion might be, what people like when it comes to gaming is a matter of preference.  

    Hype is what you make of it, it’s marketing and if it works on you them it works for gaming company. Hype, personally I like it, it gets me excited for a new title. Whether I take the plunge it’s my dollar and my consequences and I don’t beat the company up for selling me.

    Do your research and then own up if you made a mistake man.

  • dinamsdinams Muriae, VAPosts: 1,362Member
    Originally posted by mikuniman
    Originally posted by dinams
    Originally posted by mikuniman
    $59 is pretty much the norm for any video game, $199 is pricey imo but it's for folks who like all the goodies, I'm glad that option makes them happy. Being ftp it's a choice I don't get the bitching, especially since people who pay any real currency are the ones funding the game. It's amazing people expect to game for 100's of hours for free and still complain. Honestly you think these people popping out games work for free?

    59 bucks is norm for video games that are:

    A)A game that is know for its quality and for the quality of its gameplay like skyrim

    B)A very hyped product like call of duty

     

    This Neverwinter mmo does not fit in any of those categories, heck not even GW2 or SW:TOR standard packs were priced 60 bucks

    It’s still ftp and paid packages are an option so what’s your point? Those games you mentioned a decent number of people like and are currently playing. To them it’s worth it. Quality seems to be maybe what your opinion might be, what people like when it comes to gaming is a matter of preference.  

    Hype is what you make of it, it’s marketing and if it works on you them it works for gaming company. Hype, personally I like it, it gets me excited for a new title. Whether I take the plunge it’s my dollar and my consequences and I don’t beat the company up for selling me.

    Do your research and then own up if you made a mistake man.

    In your act of zealotry you just missed my point completely

    I forgive you tho, you are on the little(very tiny) bandwagon that this game has

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  • ThaneThane berlinPosts: 2,231Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jemcrystal

    What is this illusion that gamers are rich?

     

    It would have been better if they sold their VIP Founder Pack for, at most, $40.00.  Then there would have been a lot of peeps riding around on spiders and no one jealous.  Selling it a $200 is to much and stupid.  Now only a few peeps will pay $199.99 and PWE will get less money for their greed.  Guardian Pack should of been $20 and Starter Kit is garbage.

     

    I would not go thru the torment of a beta if someone paid me; any beta.  They should have sold that separately for the masochists at any price from $600 to $60.  Let the silly rich people think they're getting a deal with beta access.  

    yea right, just let em pay 200$ and dont give em shit for their money, sounds like a valid plan to me.

    totaly.

     

    or wait. not it does not.

    20$ for you is too much?????  pathetic

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  • fayknaymfayknaym Washington, DCPosts: 125Member
    Originally posted by Jemcrystal

    What is this illusion that gamers are rich?

     

    It would have been better if they sold their VIP Founder Pack for, at most, $40.00.  Then there would have been a lot of peeps riding around on spiders and no one jealous.  Selling it a $200 is to much and stupid.  Now only a few peeps will pay $199.99 and PWE will get less money for their greed.  Guardian Pack should of been $20 and Starter Kit is garbage.

     

    I would not go thru the torment of a beta if someone paid me; any beta.  They should have sold that separately for the masochists at any price from $600 to $60.  Let the silly rich people think they're getting a deal with beta access.  

    What illusion? There's more free to play games now than there ever were. If gamers were rich and were willing to pay higher prices, then all games would be more expensive and there would be no reason for any game to be free to play (which this game is btw). 

    They selected those prices because their market research shows that people will be willing to pay them. This is an entertainment business afterall, and entertainment, especially video games, are a luxury not a necessity. Therefore it is perfectly acceptable for them to set whatever price they want and if it is not to your liking then you can simply avoid it and pursue another venue from which to get your entertainment. 

    If you don't feel comfortable with those prices, even if you could afford them, then it is probably best to just avoid the game altogether. This way you save yourself time, money and frustration. If enough people do this then the company will know something was wrong with their business.

  • mikunimanmikuniman Keene, NYPosts: 312Member
    Originally posted by dinams
    Originally posted by mikuniman
    Originally posted by dinams
    Originally posted by mikuniman
    $59 is pretty much the norm for any video game, $199 is pricey imo but it's for folks who like all the goodies, I'm glad that option makes them happy. Being ftp it's a choice I don't get the bitching, especially since people who pay any real currency are the ones funding the game. It's amazing people expect to game for 100's of hours for free and still complain. Honestly you think these people popping out games work for free?

    59 bucks is norm for video games that are:

    A)A game that is know for its quality and for the quality of its gameplay like skyrim

    B)A very hyped product like call of duty

     

    This Neverwinter mmo does not fit in any of those categories, heck not even GW2 or SW:TOR standard packs were priced 60 bucks

    It’s still ftp and paid packages are an option so what’s your point? Those games you mentioned a decent number of people like and are currently playing. To them it’s worth it. Quality seems to be maybe what your opinion might be, what people like when it comes to gaming is a matter of preference.  

    Hype is what you make of it, it’s marketing and if it works on you them it works for gaming company. Hype, personally I like it, it gets me excited for a new title. Whether I take the plunge it’s my dollar and my consequences and I don’t beat the company up for selling me.

    Do your research and then own up if you made a mistake man.

    In your act of zealotry you just missed my point completely

    I forgive you tho, you are on the little(very tiny) bandwagon that this game has

    You're probably right I guess I don't get you, You have to admit it seems you have some real hate for this title going on.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,197Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    Originally posted by Akumawraith

    as to the issue the 200 dollar package isnt  a game pack its a founder pack. which gives access to beta and gives players the abilty to get closer to the Drizzt Do'Urden Charater lore.  Its completely optional, the game is free to play and download. Theres no requirement to pay out the 20, 60 or 200 dollars for founder packs. they are completely optional. I dnt see the issue unless you are one of the gimme generation in which case id call it whining.

    So they develop "Founders Packs" that noone "has" to buy and advertise it like crazy including on the Champions Online and Star Trek Online logon screens in hopes of noone buying it.

    Or

    They overprice them to the point of them being more expensive than any WoW Collectors Edition and the masses go nom nom nom in defense of an overpriced product.

    Sounds like great marketing logic.

    It is less expensive than a regular box xpac fee + a year worth of subscription to WoW.  $15 * 12 + $60 = $240.  Additionally at the end of that year you don't get to play WoW anymore if you stop paying.

    Sounds like little logical thought has gone into your argument.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71

    you dont need to pay anything to play so i dont see why your whining.

    I don't see why having a position that $200 for a top end F2P game pack is too much is whining.  Then again it's easier to say that than address the "issue."

    Why isn't it whining when:

    a) no one is forced to pay it to play the game, and

    b) you don't even have to play the game, and

    c) it is a free world, why should devs be able to charge ANYTHING for their game?

  • MMOGamer71MMOGamer71 Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 1,930Member Common
    Originally posted by leobre

    Here's my take on this:

    I just dont understand why not include the beta access on the U$ 20,00 deal, thats what makes it look like a money grab to me.

    Because BETA is confused with "Head Start".
  • leobreleobre viamaoPosts: 12Member
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    Originally posted by leobre

    Here's my take on this:

    I just dont understand why not include the beta access on the U$ 20,00 deal, thats what makes it look like a money grab to me.

    Because BETA is confused with "Head Start".

    So you are saying  U$60 gives headstart  but U$ 20 would be impossible ?

  • MMOGamer71MMOGamer71 Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 1,930Member Common
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    Originally posted by Akumawraith

    as to the issue the 200 dollar package isnt  a game pack its a founder pack. which gives access to beta and gives players the abilty to get closer to the Drizzt Do'Urden Charater lore.  Its completely optional, the game is free to play and download. Theres no requirement to pay out the 20, 60 or 200 dollars for founder packs. they are completely optional. I dnt see the issue unless you are one of the gimme generation in which case id call it whining.

    So they develop "Founders Packs" that noone "has" to buy and advertise it like crazy including on the Champions Online and Star Trek Online logon screens in hopes of noone buying it.

    Or

    They overprice them to the point of them being more expensive than any WoW Collectors Edition and the masses go nom nom nom in defense of an overpriced product.

    Sounds like great marketing logic.

    It is less expensive than a regular box xpac fee + a year worth of subscription to WoW.  $15 * 12 + $60 = $240.  Additionally at the end of that year you don't get to play WoW anymore if you stop paying.

    Sounds like little logical thought has gone into your argument.

    Wasn't talking about subscription vs F2P and was talking about and comparing buying top end products from WoW and Neverwinter which you ignored and made a post which had nothing to do with a F2P game charging more than Blizzard.

     

    And little thought when into my argument?

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,197Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ramonski7
    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    You don't have to pay it and you can still play.  Where is the money grab?  What does the mail have to do with anything?

    The op is complaining because they're jealous but too cheap to spend the money.

    True

    An undignified or unprincipled acquisition of a large sum of money with little effort. Sounds like a money grab to me.

    I think he referring to the lack of physical objects that usually are part of the typical collector's edition package when you're placing a $200 price tag on a service that for all intents and purpose will have no actual price tag.

    I think the majority of the complaints are steming from the idea that although we are all in agreement that this is a game and buying one of these $200 packages is a luxury. Cryptic and PW seem be sending conflicting messages with this offer. On one hand we are all safe to assume that the actual game client took a considerably large amount of effort to produce and develop. Yet they price it at $0 (F2P) and it holds no real value. And on the other, we are to accept that this package priced at $200, which we all know took very little effort to make compared to the actual game, is worth over $500 in value.

    Mind you this price point is more than any other mmo collector's edition, which include both physical as well as digital content, released so far.

    So it's not about feeling jealous or being cheap. It's about the mindset of developers and how they feel about the value of their player base. Do we mean so little to them that they are so willing to throw out such a rediculous price for their western player base so quickly? Why must we get less and less with every new mmo released and pay higher prices for it?

    First, thanks for making a thoughtful post.  Even though I don't agree, at least you took the time to reason it through and that seems so rare lately.

    This is the basis of my argument.  The fact that it is not a barrier to entry, makes the complaint a convenience issue.

    When defining something as a money grab there are a few very subjective terms in the concept.  That is the Oxford dictionary definition.  The Urban Dictionary has another interesting definition: "Obtaining money from someone without returning anything of real value. Requiring someone to pay a fee out of purely greedy or opportunistic motives."

    It's true the actual package likely took little effort to assemble, but the components did take effort.  So, at face value without looking at the entire package, one might try and label it as a money grab.  But in light of the entire project I don't consider it unscrupulous or undignified to recoup costs.

    I like the Urban dictionary definition too because it defines what that unscrupulous and undignified behavior is: an opportunistic fee without a return of real value.  That is also subjective, but let's look at that $200 package - 3 extra character slots, 750K astral diamonds (analogous to Dilithium in STO), extra inventory bags (for each character), a mount, and a combat pet, along with an exclusive appearance skin.  While I might not consider that worth $200, I do consider that a return of value for the money.  Not only that the fee is not required, which is also part of the Urban definition.  Therefore, I conclude it's not a money grab.  It is however a high end luxury package likely targeted at enthusiasts.

    The OP used the word jealous to paint a picture of class disparity.  That's not my word, but theirs.  I took issue with that and, though entitlement is thrown around loosely now, the OPs post is the definition of self-entitlement. 

    Most of these items, except the possibility that the skins are exclusive, will be available for purchase after the game goes live.  The fact that the OP and the rest of the dissenters are angry shows that they want the package, giving it value, but don't want to pay.  What other games charge is irrelevant.  If I were to go buy WoW today (just standard) and pay for a years sub it would cost me over $240, plus there is the cash shop there.  It's more money, but it is irrelevant to what everyone else charges with regards to being fair.  We live in a capitalist commericalistic society and we inform businesses on what is fair by purchasing or not purchasing their product.  What Cryptic is charging is expensive, no argument there, and I'm not buying one, but it's totally fair and ethical.

    edit: forgot to add colors.

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