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  • FlawSGIFlawSGI Woodstock, GAPosts: 1,379Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

    I just have a quick question.

    Do you guys seriously go through and check each others previous posts? Lets get real here. Do some pushups or something instead of checking peoples previous posts.

    Not really but some names become familiar due to the amount of times they feel the need to hop into the threads of games they don't like and tell us why at every chance they get. Then there are some who make claims so outrageous that they stick with you and it's fun from time to time to point out the BS that they put on the interwebs when they repeat offend. Makes for good times and occasionally shuts them up and gives the rest of us those nice "oh no he didn't!" moments.  That in essence is getting real, but I see your concern. Maybe lay off the pushups and you'll get it?

     

    RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by grimal

    Hate to jump into the argument midway, but seems I am already doing it.

    I keep seeing you use this point, Aer, but there are many games that don't force you to do things you don't want.  Take SWTOR for example.  I am not forced to do any Flashpoints, PVP or raids.  I can level all the way to 50 without doing any.  I can even skip the main storyline and simply do side quests, or reverse. 

    So I fail to see how you can use this for GW2 as if it is some sort of unique aspect to the gameplay.

     

    OP - I liked your post.  I have to admit, I have not seen any comments like "noob" etc in-game in turns of my playstyle.  And if the mechanics are themselves pushing people to work together, that should be commended.  However, if this is true, I wonder how long it will last.  MMOs were a niche over a decade ago and it would be much more common to find others working together in communities back then...it wasn't until they became more mainstream and those type of players joined the space that we began to see this behavior as more common.

    If what you say is true, I can only think it will be a matter of time before that mentality becomes more common in this game as well.

    Can you get  max stats without raiding in SWTOR?

    I can get max stats in GW2 by doing whatever I want.

    What do you mean for stats? As in gear?  Well, I don't know, to be honest.  But I am not forced to get max gear,  That I know.

  • mikahrmikahr ZagrebPosts: 1,066Member
    Originally posted by grimal

    What do you mean for stats? As in gear?  Well, I don't know, to be honest.  But I am not forced to get max gear,  That I know.

    How convenient, you dont know. I bet you also dont know that endgame in SWTOR IS gear check, so if you want to play content you MUST grind your gear in a very specific way, be it PvP or PvE.

    Well, now you know.

  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mikahr
    Originally posted by grimal

    What do you mean for stats? As in gear?  Well, I don't know, to be honest.  But I am not forced to get max gear,  That I know.

    How convenient, you dont know. I bet you also dont know that endgame in SWTOR IS gear check, so if you want to play content you MUST grind your gear in a very specific way, be it PvP or PvE.

    Well, now you know.

    I am not forced to do endgame.  Isn't that what we are talking about?  Being forced to do or not do something?

    And what exactly is forcing you to do that grind?  The game itself?

     

    Edit: and why the hostile attitiude?

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by Alberel

    You realise there are plenty of trinity games that are 'hard' right?

    Seriously?  Name one.  Name a trinity game that's ever been hard and not just had enemies with killer AOE's and gobs and gobs of HP that depended on very little other than memorizing a pattern and increasing chances of victory based on what gear you're wearing and not necessarily how well you play?

    Oh and then name "plenty".

    Their difficulty is as hollow as the system is depends on.  I enjoy trinity games from time to time, but come on.. they've never been hard.  It's all artificial.  It always has been, but they've got you fooled.

  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by Alberel

    You realise there are plenty of trinity games that are 'hard' right?

    Seriously?  Name one.  Name a trinity game that's ever been hard and not just had enemies with killer AOE's and gobs and gobs of HP that depended on very little other than memorizing a pattern and increasing chances of victory based on what gear you're wearing and not necessarily how well you play?

    Oh and then name "plenty".

    Their difficulty is as hollow as the system is depends on.  I enjoy trinity games from time to time, but come on.. they've never been hard.  It's all artificial.  It always has been, but they've got you fooled.

    Actually, some of the puzzles in TSW are quite hard.  But that doesn't necessarily mean the whole game is.  But then what MMORPG has actually been hard, much less a trinity-based one.

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by mikahr
    Originally posted by grimal

    What do you mean for stats? As in gear?  Well, I don't know, to be honest.  But I am not forced to get max gear,  That I know.

    How convenient, you dont know. I bet you also dont know that endgame in SWTOR IS gear check, so if you want to play content you MUST grind your gear in a very specific way, be it PvP or PvE.

    Well, now you know.

    I am not forced to do endgame.  Isn't that what we are talking about?  Being forced to do or not do something?

    And what exactly is forcing you to do that grind?  The game itself?

     

    Edit: and why the hostile attitiude?

    I think he's saying that to experience ALL of the content, you're going to have to raid.  Sure, endgame is never necessary to enjoy a game, but to enjoy it fully, you're going to need to bust your ass for weeks or more likely, months, for the low low chance of getting those purple pants that increase the odds people will invite you to another raid.  It's a ridiculous hamster wheel that I never really noticed the futility of until I got off of it for a while, stepped back, and saw the big picture. 

  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by mikahr
    Originally posted by grimal

    What do you mean for stats? As in gear?  Well, I don't know, to be honest.  But I am not forced to get max gear,  That I know.

    How convenient, you dont know. I bet you also dont know that endgame in SWTOR IS gear check, so if you want to play content you MUST grind your gear in a very specific way, be it PvP or PvE.

    Well, now you know.

    I am not forced to do endgame.  Isn't that what we are talking about?  Being forced to do or not do something?

    And what exactly is forcing you to do that grind?  The game itself?

     

    Edit: and why the hostile attitiude?

    I think he's saying that to experience ALL of the content, you're going to have to raid.  Sure, endgame is never necessary to enjoy a game, but to enjoy it fully, you're going to need to bust your ass for weeks or more likely, months, for the low low chance of getting those purple pants that increase the odds people will invite you to another raid.  It's a ridiculous hamster wheel that I never really noticed the futility of until I got off of it for a while, stepped back, and saw the big picture. 

    Well, if you are putting that clause in, then every game forces you to experience its content, doesn't it?  Therefore, I am forced to do the grind in every game (GW2 included).

  • mikahrmikahr ZagrebPosts: 1,066Member
    Originally posted by grimal

    I am not forced to do endgame.  Isn't that what we are talking about?  Being forced to do or not do something?

    And what exactly is forcing you to do that grind?  The game itself?

     

    Edit: and why the hostile attitiude?

    Its not about endgame its about philosophy behind the game.

    If i want to play latest content, yes, im forced to grind that gear in a very specific way, and thus you cannot play how you like.

    But then, noone is forced to play SWTOR at all, its just your example of the game that severly limits one aspect of gameplay opposed to one which doesnt.

    And, what a coincidence, i also answered post above because i knew youll go there.

    Originally posted by grimal

    Actually, some of the puzzles in TSW are quite hard.  But that doesn't necessarily mean the whole game is.  But then what MMORPG has actually been hard, much less a trinity-based one.

    I didnt know that puzzles require trinity or that without trinity you cant have puzzles. Its actually confirmation that once you disregard trinity you can make game hard, you cant make trinity hard because its most simple model there is.
  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mikahr
    Originally posted by grimal

    I am not forced to do endgame.  Isn't that what we are talking about?  Being forced to do or not do something?

    And what exactly is forcing you to do that grind?  The game itself?

     

    Edit: and why the hostile attitiude?

    Its not about endgame its about philosophy behind the game.

    If i want to play latest content, yes, im forced to grind that gear in a very specific way, and thus you cannot play how you like.

    But then, noone is forced to play SWTOR at all, its just your example of the game that severly limits one aspect of gameplay opposed to one which doesnt.

    And, what a coincidence, i also answered post above because i knew youll go there.

    Originally posted by grimal

    Actually, some of the puzzles in TSW are quite hard.  But that doesn't necessarily mean the whole game is.  But then what MMORPG has actually been hard, much less a trinity-based one.

    I didnt know that puzzles require trinity or that without trinity you cant have puzzles. Its actually confirmation that once you disregard trinity you can make game hard, you cant make trinity hard because its most simple model there is.

    You're changing the argument.

    I originally applied to Aer's statement (see below).  What you are talking about is very different.  As for your final comment, again you are changing what I was saying.

    "how are you forced to do dungeons? or WvW? or how are you forced to do the new guild quests they are adding? its all optional stuff to allow people to play in groups in a MMO.. Can you hit level 80 and not do a single one of those grouped things? can you get full set of exotic gear and not be forced into a group a single second?  do people even read what they write sometimes? you are seriouslly bitching about them adding more group content in an MMO? There is so much content you can complete in this game at the solo level some additional group stuff is very welcomed"

  • MuntzMuntz Minneapolis, MNPosts: 332Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by mikahr
    Originally posted by grimal

    What do you mean for stats? As in gear?  Well, I don't know, to be honest.  But I am not forced to get max gear,  That I know.

    How convenient, you dont know. I bet you also dont know that endgame in SWTOR IS gear check, so if you want to play content you MUST grind your gear in a very specific way, be it PvP or PvE.

    Well, now you know.

    I am not forced to do endgame.  Isn't that what we are talking about?  Being forced to do or not do something?

    And what exactly is forcing you to do that grind?  The game itself?

     

    Edit: and why the hostile attitiude?

    I think he's saying that to experience ALL of the content, you're going to have to raid.  Sure, endgame is never necessary to enjoy a game, but to enjoy it fully, you're going to need to bust your ass for weeks or more likely, months, for the low low chance of getting those purple pants that increase the odds people will invite you to another raid.  It's a ridiculous hamster wheel that I never really noticed the futility of until I got off of it for a while, stepped back, and saw the big picture. 

    Well, if you are putting that clause in, then every game forces you to experience its content, doesn't it?  Therefore, I am forced to do the grind in every game (GW2 included).

    Ok so say the word "forced" is replaced with "funnelled". I've never felt funnelled in GW1 or GW2. You can try and make an argument that the FotM addition is funnelling and I'd agree to some small degree it is. However, it is not required to play any content in the game.

    Contrast this to the traditional raiding games they are usually tiered so that you are required to get all or some of the drops from the first to move to the second. So you can not experience all of the content without going through the funnel. You certainly can resist funnelling sounds like you do but your not experincing the whole game. If you don't want to good on you then.

  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Muntz
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by mikahr
    Originally posted by grimal

    What do you mean for stats? As in gear?  Well, I don't know, to be honest.  But I am not forced to get max gear,  That I know.

    How convenient, you dont know. I bet you also dont know that endgame in SWTOR IS gear check, so if you want to play content you MUST grind your gear in a very specific way, be it PvP or PvE.

    Well, now you know.

    I am not forced to do endgame.  Isn't that what we are talking about?  Being forced to do or not do something?

    And what exactly is forcing you to do that grind?  The game itself?

     

    Edit: and why the hostile attitiude?

    I think he's saying that to experience ALL of the content, you're going to have to raid.  Sure, endgame is never necessary to enjoy a game, but to enjoy it fully, you're going to need to bust your ass for weeks or more likely, months, for the low low chance of getting those purple pants that increase the odds people will invite you to another raid.  It's a ridiculous hamster wheel that I never really noticed the futility of until I got off of it for a while, stepped back, and saw the big picture. 

    Well, if you are putting that clause in, then every game forces you to experience its content, doesn't it?  Therefore, I am forced to do the grind in every game (GW2 included).

    Ok so say the word "forced" is replaced with "funnelled". I've never felt funnelled in GW1 or GW2. You can try and make an argument that the FotM addition is funnelling and I'd agree to some small degree it is. However, it is not required to play any content in the game.

    Contrast this to the traditional raiding games they are usually tiered so that you are required to get all or some of the drops from the first to move to the second. So you can not experience all of the content without going through the funnel. You certainly can resist funnelling sounds like you do but your not experincing the whole game. If you don't want to good on you then.

    Read Aerowyn's statement I was debating.   I can replace "funnelled" in there and it still applies.  I am not funnelled to do any of those other activities (Flashpoints, Raiding, etc) to get to max level.

  • mikahrmikahr ZagrebPosts: 1,066Member
    Originally posted by grimal

    Read Aerowyn's statement I was debating.   I can replace "funnelled" in there and it still applies.  I am not funnelled to do any of those other activities (Flashpoints, Raiding, etc) to get to max level.

    It mentiones MORE than going to max level, if you do selective reading you get your responses.

    As a matter of fact, staement about gear has more bearing to person Aerowyn responded to because thats what he QQes about because thats what SWTOR, WoW, Rift, LOTRO and the rest are all about and thats what GW2 does in completely different way and you wont end up with gimped character because youre forced to do things you dont like like in those games.

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by mikahr
    Originally posted by grimal

    What do you mean for stats? As in gear?  Well, I don't know, to be honest.  But I am not forced to get max gear,  That I know.

    How convenient, you dont know. I bet you also dont know that endgame in SWTOR IS gear check, so if you want to play content you MUST grind your gear in a very specific way, be it PvP or PvE.

    Well, now you know.

    I am not forced to do endgame.  Isn't that what we are talking about?  Being forced to do or not do something?

    And what exactly is forcing you to do that grind?  The game itself?

     

    Edit: and why the hostile attitiude?

    I think he's saying that to experience ALL of the content, you're going to have to raid.  Sure, endgame is never necessary to enjoy a game, but to enjoy it fully, you're going to need to bust your ass for weeks or more likely, months, for the low low chance of getting those purple pants that increase the odds people will invite you to another raid.  It's a ridiculous hamster wheel that I never really noticed the futility of until I got off of it for a while, stepped back, and saw the big picture. 

    Well, if you are putting that clause in, then every game forces you to experience its content, doesn't it?  Therefore, I am forced to do the grind in every game (GW2 included).

    I don't feel forced to play most games.  I felt forced to play a gear grind in WoW.  You know there's a reason for that right?  They string you along so that you have to aquire better gear before you can aquire better gear.  That's force.  Getting to level 80 and being able to buy max stat gear OR just going into a lvl 80 dungeon without it is not.  Games like WoW are designed to keep you p(l)aying.  You're stretching this pretty far by saying "every game".  Don't be obtuse, you know what I mean.

    Anyway, if your argument is that you aren't forced to play endgame, true, no one is and I agree.  Mine is that you cannot experience all of the content in most MMOs like you can in GW2 without a massive, repetitive grind (usually with people you can't stand in my experience).

  • MuntzMuntz Minneapolis, MNPosts: 332Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Muntz
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by mikahr
    Originally posted by grimal

    What do you mean for stats? As in gear?  Well, I don't know, to be honest.  But I am not forced to get max gear,  That I know.

    How convenient, you dont know. I bet you also dont know that endgame in SWTOR IS gear check, so if you want to play content you MUST grind your gear in a very specific way, be it PvP or PvE.

    Well, now you know.

    I am not forced to do endgame.  Isn't that what we are talking about?  Being forced to do or not do something?

    And what exactly is forcing you to do that grind?  The game itself?

     

    Edit: and why the hostile attitiude?

    I think he's saying that to experience ALL of the content, you're going to have to raid.  Sure, endgame is never necessary to enjoy a game, but to enjoy it fully, you're going to need to bust your ass for weeks or more likely, months, for the low low chance of getting those purple pants that increase the odds people will invite you to another raid.  It's a ridiculous hamster wheel that I never really noticed the futility of until I got off of it for a while, stepped back, and saw the big picture. 

    Well, if you are putting that clause in, then every game forces you to experience its content, doesn't it?  Therefore, I am forced to do the grind in every game (GW2 included).

    Ok so say the word "forced" is replaced with "funnelled". I've never felt funnelled in GW1 or GW2. You can try and make an argument that the FotM addition is funnelling and I'd agree to some small degree it is. However, it is not required to play any content in the game.

    Contrast this to the traditional raiding games they are usually tiered so that you are required to get all or some of the drops from the first to move to the second. So you can not experience all of the content without going through the funnel. You certainly can resist funnelling sounds like you do but your not experincing the whole game. If you don't want to good on you then.

    Read Aerowyn's statement I was debating.   I can replace "funnelled" in there and it still applies.  I am not funnelled to do any of those other activities (Flashpoints, Raiding, etc) to get to max level.

    OK re-read Aerowyn's statement says more then just max level it talks about gear as well. No doubt in the raid oriented games I've played you can indeed get to make max level in may different ways that don't require you to raid. However, to get the best gear you are certainly funneled to the raid content. 

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard La BarrePosts: 3,549Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mikahr
    Originally posted by grimal

    Actually, some of the puzzles in TSW are quite hard.  But that doesn't necessarily mean the whole game is.  But then what MMORPG has actually been hard, much less a trinity-based one.

    I didnt know that puzzles require trinity or that without trinity you cant have puzzles. Its actually confirmation that once you disregard trinity you can make game hard, you cant make trinity hard because its most simple model there is.

    TSW puzzles definitely don't require the trinity at all. I don't even now why he posted that, it's totally irrelevant.

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  • eye_meye_m Notta Chance, ABPosts: 3,133Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by muthax

    Funny thing, after the inclusion of "dodging 15 attacks" in  daily Achievements, I seen in chat a lot of questions on the tune of "How do I dodge?!?".

    That shines a lot of light on the reasons why 'some people' didn't like GW2 combat ....

    I think the dodging acheivement was a superb idea, that helps guide players to become better players.  Anet really has some good ideas for using simple things to have great consequences.

    All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

    I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.

    I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.

  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter BristolPosts: 2,825Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by mikahr
    Originally posted by grimal

    What do you mean for stats? As in gear?  Well, I don't know, to be honest.  But I am not forced to get max gear,  That I know.

    How convenient, you dont know. I bet you also dont know that endgame in SWTOR IS gear check, so if you want to play content you MUST grind your gear in a very specific way, be it PvP or PvE.

    Well, now you know.

    I am not forced to do endgame.  Isn't that what we are talking about?  Being forced to do or not do something?

    And what exactly is forcing you to do that grind?  The game itself?

     

    Edit: and why the hostile attitiude?

    You aren't forced to do end game, but if you want you will have to grind gear doing quests or dungeons.

    You aren't forced to get max stats, but if you want you need to do end game.

    GW2 changes that (now that Anet is sorting that ascended debacle) by allowing you to get max stats by doing whatever you want and allowing to enjoy whatever activities you want without a gear check.

     

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  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mikahr
    Originally posted by grimal

    Read Aerowyn's statement I was debating.   I can replace "funnelled" in there and it still applies.  I am not funnelled to do any of those other activities (Flashpoints, Raiding, etc) to get to max level.

    It mentiones MORE than going to max level, if you do selective reading you get your responses.

    As a matter of fact, staement about gear has more bearing to person Aerowyn responded to because thats what he QQes about because thats what SWTOR, WoW, Rift, LOTRO and the rest are all about and thats what GW2 does in completely different way and you wont end up with gimped character because youre forced to do things you dont like like in those games.

    Aerowyn's statement:

    "how are you forced to do dungeons? or WvW? or how are you forced to do the new guild quests they are adding? its all optional stuff to allow people to play in groups in a MMO.. Can you hit level 80 and not do a single one of those grouped things? can you get full set of exotic gear and not be forced into a group a single second?  do people even read what they write sometimes? you are seriouslly bitching about them adding more group content in an MMO? There is so much content you can complete in this game at the solo level some additional group stuff is very welcomed"

    I was replying to the parts highlighted.  But the mention of exotic gear.....there is no eqivalent in SWTOR (actually I guess it is the social gear where you do have to do some sort of social grind)..but in the end, you are not forced to have those social gear items for anything in the game as they are just cosmetic much like the exotic gear in GW2.

  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by mikahr
    Originally posted by grimal

    Actually, some of the puzzles in TSW are quite hard.  But that doesn't necessarily mean the whole game is.  But then what MMORPG has actually been hard, much less a trinity-based one.

    I didnt know that puzzles require trinity or that without trinity you cant have puzzles. Its actually confirmation that once you disregard trinity you can make game hard, you cant make trinity hard because its most simple model there is.

    TSW puzzles definitely don't require the trinity at all. I don't even now why he posted that, it's totally irrelevant.

    I jumped in the argument halfway and was just responding to the point of 'naming a trinity based game with difficulty'.

    So, TSW is trinity game and does have some difficult elements.  Just pointing out that fact.

  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by mikahr
    Originally posted by grimal

    What do you mean for stats? As in gear?  Well, I don't know, to be honest.  But I am not forced to get max gear,  That I know.

    How convenient, you dont know. I bet you also dont know that endgame in SWTOR IS gear check, so if you want to play content you MUST grind your gear in a very specific way, be it PvP or PvE.

    Well, now you know.

    I am not forced to do endgame.  Isn't that what we are talking about?  Being forced to do or not do something?

    And what exactly is forcing you to do that grind?  The game itself?

     

    Edit: and why the hostile attitiude?

    I think he's saying that to experience ALL of the content, you're going to have to raid.  Sure, endgame is never necessary to enjoy a game, but to enjoy it fully, you're going to need to bust your ass for weeks or more likely, months, for the low low chance of getting those purple pants that increase the odds people will invite you to another raid.  It's a ridiculous hamster wheel that I never really noticed the futility of until I got off of it for a while, stepped back, and saw the big picture. 

    Well, if you are putting that clause in, then every game forces you to experience its content, doesn't it?  Therefore, I am forced to do the grind in every game (GW2 included).

    I don't feel forced to play most games.  I felt forced to play a gear grind in WoW.  You know there's a reason for that right?  They string you along so that you have to aquire better gear before you can aquire better gear.  That's force.  Getting to level 80 and being able to buy max stat gear OR just going into a lvl 80 dungeon without it is not.  Games like WoW are designed to keep you p(l)aying.  You're stretching this pretty far by saying "every game".  Don't be obtuse, you know what I mean.

    Anyway, if your argument is that you aren't forced to play endgame, true, no one is and I agree.  Mine is that you cannot experience all of the content in most MMOs like you can in GW2 without a massive, repetitive grind (usually with people you can't stand in my experience).

    What about the dungeons?  If I want to experience all that is GW2 I need to do the dungeons.  I hated the dungeon experience.  So call it "grind", call it "dungeons"...if you want to experience the entirety of a game, chances are you are going to experience something you dont enjoy.

  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by mikahr
    Originally posted by grimal

    What do you mean for stats? As in gear?  Well, I don't know, to be honest.  But I am not forced to get max gear,  That I know.

    How convenient, you dont know. I bet you also dont know that endgame in SWTOR IS gear check, so if you want to play content you MUST grind your gear in a very specific way, be it PvP or PvE.

    Well, now you know.

    I am not forced to do endgame.  Isn't that what we are talking about?  Being forced to do or not do something?

    And what exactly is forcing you to do that grind?  The game itself?

     

    Edit: and why the hostile attitiude?

    You aren't forced to do end game, but if you want you will have to grind gear doing quests or dungeons.

    You aren't forced to get max stats, but if you want you need to do end game.

    GW2 changes that (now that Anet is sorting that ascended debacle) by allowing you to get max stats by doing whatever you want and allowing to enjoy whatever activities you want without a gear check.

     

    See, this is something I don't understand.  I get trying to get better gear to boost your gameplay experience for the journey...but the whole notion of getting max stats for the sake of it all just doesn't jive with me.  I just don't get it.

  • BladestromBladestrom edinburghPosts: 4,946Member Uncommon
    If you don't like the dungeons don't do em, you certainly don't need to do them. your contradicting yourself, you either hate dungeons or you want to do them. Sometimes I fancy pvp in gw2 sometimes I fancy wvw sometimes I explore for puzzles, sometimes I do the daily, sometimes I do dungeons - none of em depend on each other.

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    Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D

  • TalulaRoseTalulaRose Long Island, NYPosts: 480Member Uncommon

    Legendaries......on par with the best korean grinder/RNG games known to man.

     

    Personal story....solo until you get to the last part and then its forced grouping.

  • BladestromBladestrom edinburghPosts: 4,946Member Uncommon
    Lol, yes there is 1 quest at the end of the entire chain you do from 1-80 with a reward worth a few silver. A legendary is just a skin, you certainly don't need either to play any of the content in the game, your grasping at straws. Forced traditionally in mmorgs means you MUST continue to upgrade or you cannot play the new content.

    rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar

    Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D

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