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Why I dont play Asian Market based MMO's

xpowderxxpowderx Radcliff, KYPosts: 2,131Member Uncommon

I have played MMORPG's For a very long time now. One thing I have learned through my 15 years of mmorpg playing is not to play Asian MMO''s. Do not take that the wrong way. Some of the asian mmo's are innovative. Some hae very good class systems. Are beautiful, are fluid, are some of the best looking mmos out. But then you have the reasons I dont play.

Many are exploited, not just general exploitation like" I found this crack in a dungeon and can slip through. Save at least a hour of time getting to the boss" ect. No, exploitaion in many asian mmos go to a whole new level! The next thing which is a total turn off is the lack of support. Many times a player may have a bug. Instead of it getting fixed,the company lets it stay.  Hacking is another issue. Many asian mmos have a lack of security compared to its western counterparts.

In my experience only one asian game company has done very well correcting its mistakes. Final Fantasy 11 was a very very good asan mmorpg. They cleaned house of both exploitive players, teams and were very good security wise.

That being said, what do you think of asian market mmorpgs?

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  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,206Member Uncommon
    too flashy. I find the ammount of shiny per each trivial ability exagerated.

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  • cybertruckercybertrucker Pensacola, FLPosts: 1,119Member
    Both AION and TERA are good games.
  • KenaoshiKenaoshi Porto AlegrePosts: 1,020Member Uncommon

    well i am on the other side of the balance.

    I like the Asian mmos and starting to despise the way NA/EU of doing them.

    While i agree that asian mmos DOES have the problems you mentioned and the art-style can, sometimes, be a little over the top, the gameplay and dificulty does fit my needs more than the eazy going/boring western counter parts.

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  • lufiazlufiaz HCM CityPosts: 106Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by xpowderx

    I have played MMORPG's For a very long time now. One thing I have learned through my 15 years of mmorpg playing is not to play Asan MMO''s. Do not take that the wrong way. Some of the asian mmo's are innovative. Some hae very good class systems. Are beautiful, are fluid, are some of the best looking mmos out. But then you have the reasons I dont play.

    Many are exploited, not just general exploitation like" I found this crack in a dungeon and can slip through. Save at least a hour of time getting to the boss" ect. No, exploitaion in many asian mmos go to a whole new level! The next thing which is a total turn off is the lack of support. Many times a player may have a bug. Instead of it getting fixed,the company lets it stay.  Hacking is another issue. Many asian mmos have a lack of security compared to its western counterparts.

    In my experience only one asian game company has done very well correcting its mistakes. Final Fantasy 11 was a very very good asan mmorpg. They cleaned house of both exploitive players, teams and were very good security wise.

    That being said, what do you think of asian market mmorpgs?

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  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownPosts: 3,452Member
    Nice generalisation
  • DamonVileDamonVile Vancouver, BCPosts: 4,818Member
    So you don't like them because of exploits, persistant bugs, hacking and security......Can you name any mmo that doesn't have these issues ?
  • stayontargetstayontarget Tacoma, WAPosts: 6,068Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by xpowderx

    One thing I have learned through my 15 years of mmorpg playing

    You should know by now that it cuts both ways.  Western games has just as many problems as eastern games.

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  • bobfishbobfish SouthamptonPosts: 1,688Member

    Exploiting and cheating is more common in Asian MMOs because in South Korea you need to use your national security number to create an account to play. Therefore it is relatively easy to keep cheaters out, once you're banned you can't play it again.

     

    This means when they come to the west, they are wholly unprepared to deal with such cheaters, who they can't keep out of the game. In the past, many Korean MMOs didn't even have server checks on important actions, making client editing a really easy way to cheat, this is just asking for trouble in the western market.

  • PWN_FACEPWN_FACE SeoulPosts: 670Member

    There are some art style things I don't like about a lot of Asian games. First of all, I'm not into anime. I don't like female avatars in spike heals and mini-skirts, either. I've enjoyed that look in RL, but not in my mmos. I don't like the hugely oversized weapons. I don't like things to be too pretty, male or female. Beauty should be rare and prized. It should exist, though.

     

    I like a world that is dark and gritty with beautiful places. I like the variety. I like warriors to be hardened and tough no matter their gender. I don't like them to look like teenage models or Justin Bieber idealized to Asian art standards. 

     

    All of that said, I won't rule out playing Asian games. I will certainly try ArcheAge. I won't miss out on that. I will also consider FF 14 RR. 

     

    I wouldn't blanket ban any type of game just because of where it's from. 

  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member
    Originally posted by xpowderx

    That being said, what do you think of asian market mmorpgs?

    Apart from the Burusera panty shots (creepy), they don't bother me any.

    Lineage was arguably as (or more) important to this genre than any of its Western contemporaries.

    I don't play any of them, mind you.

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  • PigEyePigEye campbellsville, KYPosts: 78Member
    Thanks for sharing. I tend to agree, but I like Tera

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  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member
    Originally posted by bobfish

    Exploiting and cheating is more common in Asian MMOs because in South Korea you need to use your national security number to create an account to play. Therefore it is relatively easy to keep cheaters out, once you're banned you can't play it again.

    Buh? Wouldn't that make it harder (and so less common) to cheat in korean games?

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  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,058Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by xpowderx

    I have played MMORPG's For a very long time now. One thing I have learned through my 15 years of mmorpg playing is not to play Asan MMO''s. Do not take that the wrong way. Some of the asian mmo's are innovative. Some hae very good class systems. Are beautiful, are fluid, are some of the best looking mmos out. But then you have the reasons I dont play.

    Many are exploited, not just general exploitation like" I found this crack in a dungeon and can slip through. Save at least a hour of time getting to the boss" ect. No, exploitaion in many asian mmos go to a whole new level! The next thing which is a total turn off is the lack of support. Many times a player may have a bug. Instead of it getting fixed,the company lets it stay.  Hacking is another issue. Many asian mmos have a lack of security compared to its western counterparts.

    In my experience only one asian game company has done very well correcting its mistakes. Final Fantasy 11 was a very very good asan mmorpg. They cleaned house of both exploitive players, teams and were very good security wise.

    That being said, what do you think of asian market mmorpgs?

    Biggest reason why I dont play Asian games is the Art style is to happy shiny anime and the second is the grindy nature of their games.  All the content is so bland and boring.  I feel if they took a small amount of that happy go lucky anime feel and put it toward content then the games would be good.

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  • LienhartLienhart Markham, ONPosts: 635Member
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    Originally posted by xpowderx

    I have played MMORPG's For a very long time now. One thing I have learned through my 15 years of mmorpg playing is not to play Asan MMO''s. Do not take that the wrong way. Some of the asian mmo's are innovative. Some hae very good class systems. Are beautiful, are fluid, are some of the best looking mmos out. But then you have the reasons I dont play.

    Many are exploited, not just general exploitation like" I found this crack in a dungeon and can slip through. Save at least a hour of time getting to the boss" ect. No, exploitaion in many asian mmos go to a whole new level! The next thing which is a total turn off is the lack of support. Many times a player may have a bug. Instead of it getting fixed,the company lets it stay.  Hacking is another issue. Many asian mmos have a lack of security compared to its western counterparts.

    In my experience only one asian game company has done very well correcting its mistakes. Final Fantasy 11 was a very very good asan mmorpg. They cleaned house of both exploitive players, teams and were very good security wise.

    That being said, what do you think of asian market mmorpgs?

    Biggest reason why I dont play Asian games is the Art style is to happy shiny anime and the second is the grindy nature of their games.  All the content is so bland and boring.  I feel if they took a small amount of that happy go lucky anime feel and put it toward content then the games would be good.

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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,680Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by cybertrucker
    Both AION and TERA are good games.

    I like those two, as well. Most Asian games are grindy, though. It's just because that's what that audience seems to like. That's the reason why when peopel use the argument that a game is doing really well in asia as support for how great a game is, it throws up red flags for me. That means it's great for that audience, and doesn't mean it's going to have any real level of appeal here no matter what cool features are mixed in with the repetitive grind.

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  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 20,008Member Uncommon

    I've played TERA, Lineage 1, Lineage 2 and have recently returned to Aion and found some fun in all of them. (up to 6 months or so).

    Certainly hasn't equaled my time in DAOC, EVE or WOW, but still all were pretty solid titles and I will consider future Asian created titles such as ArcheAge.

    If they're fun, I'll play them, don't care where in the world they are made.

     

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  • bobfishbobfish SouthamptonPosts: 1,688Member
    Originally posted by Icewhite
    Originally posted by bobfish

    Exploiting and cheating is more common in Asian MMOs because in South Korea you need to use your national security number to create an account to play. Therefore it is relatively easy to keep cheaters out, once you're banned you can't play it again.

    Buh? Wouldn't that make it harder (and so less common) to cheat in korean games?

    Sorry, my wording wasn't clear.

     

    Cheating is harder in Asia because of the SSN thing, therefore their MMOs have less anti-cheat mechanics in them than western developed games.

    Which means when the Asian MMO is released in the west, there is more cheating in it than you'd see in other games. The western versions of Asian MMOs have more cheating.

  • TheocritusTheocritus Gary, INPosts: 3,763Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by cybertrucker
    Both AION and TERA are good games.

     I don't see why people think Aion is good....I thought it was an awful game.

  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Posts: 5,317Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by xpowderx

    I have played MMORPG's For a very long time now. One thing I have learned through my 15 years of mmorpg playing is not to play Asian MMO''s. Do not take that the wrong way. Some of the asian mmo's are innovative. Some hae very good class systems. Are beautiful, are fluid, are some of the best looking mmos out. But then you have the reasons I dont play.

    Many are exploited, not just general exploitation like" I found this crack in a dungeon and can slip through. Save at least a hour of time getting to the boss" ect. No, exploitaion in many asian mmos go to a whole new level! The next thing which is a total turn off is the lack of support. Many times a player may have a bug. Instead of it getting fixed,the company lets it stay.  Hacking is another issue. Many asian mmos have a lack of security compared to its western counterparts.

    In my experience only one asian game company has done very well correcting its mistakes. Final Fantasy 11 was a very very good asan mmorpg. They cleaned house of both exploitive players, teams and were very good security wise.

    That being said, what do you think of asian market mmorpgs?

     Everything you have stated I have heard many many many times against western devs.  Seems like a wash to me.

    Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  • WankyudoWankyudo Leesburg, VAPosts: 146Member Common
    Originally posted by Theocritus
    Originally posted by cybertrucker
    Both AION and TERA are good games.

     I don't see why people think Aion is good....I thought it was an awful game.

    Because people have their own tastes maybe?

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  • erictlewiserictlewis Cottondale, ALPosts: 3,026Member Uncommon

    I don't like the artstyle.  The big eyes, huge heads, small bodies, and with most of them the soft porn. as most of them have a species that looks like a small child being all sexed up.  

    Now I get that is the way they roll over there, but it really turns me off. 

    I not found one asian mmo that I like mostly due to the artwork involved, not the game or questing system.  

     

  • KazuhiroKazuhiro Hampshire, AZPosts: 515Member Uncommon

    This is why I hate them. You know, you'd think with asian's being so far ahead of everyone in math and physics that they would be a "little" more down to earth in the understanding of gravity/weight/mass etc.


    Well this and gender in asian games being often difficult to tell apart. Sometimes impossible. I have a theory it's why so many asian games are genderlocked, afterall, who can really tell anyway?

    Now it's udnerstandable when you see asian culture why they do this, It's not just a game thing over there.

    If it wasn't for the tie... I'm genuinely not sure I'd be able to tell with this one.

    I will however say that asthetics/art/gender aside, the game can be quite good, and quite different from the copy/paste stuff made here in the west. But it's impossible for me at least to get over these issues.

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  • RaysheRayshe London, ONPosts: 1,284Member
    The only Asian games that are appealing to me right now are Age of Wushu and Black Desert. After that i really dont have much interest in the generic Grinders aspect that seems to be released.

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  • ArclanArclan Chicago, ILPosts: 1,494Member Uncommon

    Kazuhiro FTW. Great post LOL. Ya and i never liked those sattelite-dish-sized elf-ears, either.

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  • laokokolaokoko TaipeiPosts: 2,003Member

    I'm asian and can read chinese, but I will never "play on asian server".

    I mean there are many bots in western server, and asian server takes it to a whole new level. 

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