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Bethesda has never really made a good game.
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Dear OP.
PLease be quiet.
Bathesda studio is one of the best !
No a troll because you offer nothing constructive or factual and only post to argue your empty points.
Sorry OP, while I am on your side (in beling critical about TESO) I am not beside you with this thread.
I am not going to blindly lap up everything that is said about the game and will be critical where I think I should be. But you are way off, lacking any reasonable argument and raging about things that are either invalid or unknown.
I beg to differe on this opinion we are already on page four of the thread and while I label them as fanboys they label me as a troll or tell me to be quiet.
I have seen no real proof or facts supporting what others have said in this thread, we will see but obviouse answer is this topic would not have had this many responses if it was to be ignored.
SWTOR had the same types of post before it launched. People judging one way or another before they had even played it. Dumb.
Are you still going to play the beta?
https://www.google.com/search?q=elder+scrolls+online+developer&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Top line. Right there. Really big.
Just because you insist Bethesda is buggy, requires mods, other games, etc. So that fact alone supports ALL arguments about you being completely incorrect. While I may agree about the bugginess of Bethesda games, this is not one of them.
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Yeah. Never understood that. I just don't get it. People do it with everything, not just games. Judge stuff before they've gotten their hands on it. It's ridiculous -_-
No proof, what do you need to be spoon-fed? Take a gander at the website or even the wiki and educate yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Online
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/
It's your job to get your facts straight.
Developer(s) ZeniMax Online Studios
Publisher(s) Bethesda Softworks
You think the number of responses is because the thread has merit?
It has responses because you are trolling and folks hate stupid.
If you are so smart count the posts and formulate a ratio with the ones agreeing with you vs. everybody else.
Okay lets derail this threads with facts
3 realm conflict was first done successfully in an mmo called DaoC, it is slightly more than a minor aspect of ESO and thus calling in to question the innovation and motives of the man being asked to do an ESO game is valid
He has stated right from the start no housing in ESO housing as any player of ES games will know is a core part of the adventure, yes mmo limitations and all that.
A CGI that in no way in this reality anyone should expect the game to be like that just like the SWTOR CGI trap caused.
ES has always been about immersive combat without the kind of leveling and hotbar mmo generic.
Also it has been stated that the game really begins when you reach level 50 I do not know about you but I have never played an elder scrolls game where my first aim was to get to max level.
He talks about exploration but in the same breath segregation, levels and area limits.
All of those things were in DaoC
All of those things are NOT ES
Hotbars cooldowns limits not ES
At level one in any ES game you could if you did not sleep explore the entire world and every mountain you could see you could explore till you hit the out of bounds line.
Yet there is one simple detail you're missing.
This is an MMO, not a single player Elder Scrolls game.
Fallout3 isn't as good as the non bethseda fallout 1 & 2
New Vegas is an improvement upon fo3
Morrowind is a classic, a game that set a mold for a new style of rpg.
Oblivion introduced the horrible console interface and is more linear and generic than morrowind
Skyrim is a modern classic, it brings back some of the magic of Morrowind, and is the first tes game to get the leveling system right, still has the horrid console UI though. Yay for pc centric UI with a hotbar in TESO.
You can't expect the same results with this game. First off, Bethesda is involved through consulting. Zenimax is the developer. However, consider that many of those systems and mods are an attempt to make the game resemble an MMO, at least at first glance. They're adding quests, schedules, crafting, etc. These features exist in an MMO.
Honestly, it's getting annoying hearing people complain about MMOs being generic. MMOs have quests, skillbars, raids, classes, races. Graphics won't be stellar. The game is what you make it. It sounds like you don't like MMOs.
I'll disagree to a point.
Those "graphical updates" aren't always great. In some cases they do huge disservice to the game. The problem with "graphic update mods, is that in some cases they change the flavor of the art assets to something the modder would prefer and in other cases they completely take away any sense of cohesion.
I'm currently playing Morrowind and Skyrim. I'm using the MGO for Morrowind and though it's a great job at its heart, it's an artistic mess. You have bottles and plates that look like they are from one game and chests that look like they are from another. The updated textures for armor can be nice but then you look at things like the rocks or stone and it's too "high def" and doesn't look like it belongs in the world at hand. It's as if someone took a picture and slapped the texture on the side of a building without thinking how it needs to look like it's part of the rest of the textures around it.
I'm not saying that the modders didn't do a great job but anyone with a professional eye can see that a greater sense of cohesion needs to be brought to the table to create a decent look to the whole. Not to mention that a lot of the fog seems removed so you can see the checkered tapestry of all the different areas fromn on high. This takes away the feeling of a huge world allowing for the new areas to gradually come into focus as you approach them and creates a stark contrast from one area to another allowing for the illusion of a huge world to be stripped away.
For some reason some players hunger for high fidelity but aren't sensitive enough to realize that there is an artistic whole that needs to be addressed.
That is a harsh criticism which is only necessary when players say "oh, modders have saved these games". Modders have added amazing things but I don't believe they have "saved" anything. Vanialla morrowind might look dated but it does work as a visual whole. for my tastes the MGO adds a lot of nice things that flavor the game in a way that I like (and in some ways that I don't) but I say it's different not better.
I will give a shout out to aMidiborn armors for skyrim. He does an amazing job of creating very detailed work that fits in with the game. However, that's "flavor" not "saving" the game or necessarily making better as the original textures do work. The weather mods sometimes don't work well as they will "suddenly" stop or suddenly start. But agian, that's flavoring not "better or worse" as the weather in skyrim is fine the way it is.
Most of those race mods are nice but in no way fit in artistically with the other races. In some cases it looks like you plopped a character from a different game into skyrim.
Again, the work the do is great but it adds flavor. The game is very much playable even though, say "realistic lighting" isn't there. I prefer realsitic lighting but it doesn't make the game "better" just different. There are reason the devs have made these design decisions. It's not because they don't want to make the most realistic game out there. It's because they need to make a game that runs on many computers.
So I love mods but they are not what makes these games work. The games work fine on their own.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Yes it is but why not innovate, yes it is more of a challenge, we have seen that most people really do not want generic copies of past mmo games, we want something different.
Real time combat can be possible, choice pvp + phasing has proven if used right and expanded on it does not break the game or enjoyment.
Skyrim and oblivion use instanced housing so that really is not an issue.
Exploration and the journey to max level or no actual max level just a graduated xp system based on skills and events would not please the "end game" crowd but sucks to be them anyway.
None of the above are impossible for an mmo.
I would love to see figures to back this up and also stats showing how many console players are still playing there copy of oblivion 7 years later and finding fresh content.
SWTOR was still generic mmo hotbar tab combat and a reskin of wow except for the story and voice work
I'd argue that innovation does not always need to be sought. Sure, it's nice. But gamers are fickle beings. We tend to get upset at nothing. Including innovation.
If ESO brings to the table what it looks to be doing, I'll be quite happy with it personally. DAoC type of PvP is great in my opinion, and I can definitely imagine it in an ESO setting.
Would I like housing? Yeah, definitely, and I'm certainly disappointed there won't be housing. But all the other stuff, it might be possible, sure. But the task of balancing it all would be incredibly daunting and immense, if you were to build it like a single player ES game. There HAS to be some limits.
This is very true.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
It's zoned not instanced, you can build your house next door to your friends.