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POLL: What would you choose: P2P, B2P, cash shops?

FindarielFindariel SomewherePosts: 216Member
Personally I'm not in favour of F2P or B2P. Well I am <img class=" src="" /> but I found the inevitable addition of a cash shop so the people that buy some extra can get privileges and things in-game (after all, why else would they pay) that others can't always very counter-immersive. This can range from buying gold (EVE, GW2) to just cosmetics (mounts, minipets).

Furthermore I'd say that if a company's income comes directly from the number of subscribers, it would push developers into making more and better content and keep the game enjoyable. Instead of inventing all kinds of stuff to redirect people to the cash shop.

You what would you choose?


  • MuppetierMuppetier SouthamptonPosts: 278Member Uncommon
    Other, I would like them to offer subscription servers with no cash shop, B2P servers with a cash shop and Free Trial servers.
  • VincerKadenVincerKaden Edison, NJPosts: 457Member Common
    Give me a good ol' fashion subscription, please. I'm not much interested in just buying a new piece of clothing, weapon skin or vanity pet. If the same were available through in-game mechanics (a quest, collection, challenge, etc.) then I'm all over it. But I get no entertainment value in acquiring a virtual item that I used real world money to directly unlock. Not to mention that the concept of an item cash shop runs counter-intuitive to my preference of having an entirely player-run economy (one that is not centralized solely on an auction house).


  • KabaalKabaal Edinburgh, ScotlandPosts: 3,012Member Uncommon

    I chose "other" as i can't really form an opinion until the companies doing B2P becomes a bit more varied, they'll all do it differently. It seems like a good option right now but once it becomes more widespread that may change.

    Doesn't realy matter though, the revenue model doesn't play a factor in whether i'd play a game or not.

  • TribeofOneTribeofOne Wellford, SCPosts: 1,006Member Uncommon
    Im not opposed to a subscription model w/cash shop selling fluff and consumables
  • MurashuMurashu Ft Rucker, ALPosts: 1,394Member
    I'd choose a quality made product with the features I enjoy then pay whatever they are asking, but I guess I'm in the minority of people who care more about the game and less about how I pay for it.

  • YamotaYamota LondonPosts: 6,587Member Uncommon
    Subscription. F2P's only purpose is to generate more income for the devs at the expense of gameplay being polluted by various pay to win elements from the cash shop.
  • MMOGamer71MMOGamer71 Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 1,930Member Uncommon
  • boxsndboxsnd Kraxton, ARPosts: 438Member Uncommon
  • evilastroevilastro EdinburghPosts: 4,270Member
    B2P. GW2 did it perfectly. Lets hope more games adopt that.
  • LatronusLatronus Lexington Park, MDPosts: 692Member
    Sub please.  I'm to a big fan of F2P or B2P and companies using a cash shop to nickel an dime the players to death.  I kow their ar better models it there, but I still don't like the concept.

  • zomard100zomard100 karlovacPosts: 228Member
    Other, subscription without any cash shop or f2p with cash shop. Hybrid all the way but if you choose subscription you should have everything for free
  • FearumFearum Cinnaminson, NJPosts: 1,166Member Uncommon
    Sub, cash shops suck.
  • RizelStarRizelStar Raleigh, NCPosts: 2,773Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by evilastro
    B2P. GW2 did it perfectly. Lets hope more games adopt that.


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  • evilastroevilastro EdinburghPosts: 4,270Member
    Originally posted by zomard100
    Other, subscription without any cash shop or f2p with cash shop. Hybrid all the way but if you choose subscription you should have everything for free

     Yeah this. If you are charging a sub, you shouldnt have a cash shop. Double dipping just pisses people off.

    Annoyed the hell out of me that EQ2 spent more time generating interesting looking items for the cash shop, while they still required a subscription fee. Its just rude. If you are charged a monthly fee you expect that you have access to everything in the game.

  • FindarielFindariel SomewherePosts: 216Member
    Originally posted by evilastro
    B2P. GW2 did it perfectly. Lets hope more games adopt that.

    Really? I don't find the option to buy gold for RL money a very good or immersive mechanic.

    I'd definitely rather have a subscription!

  • ZzadZzad Palma de MallorcaPosts: 1,316Member Uncommon

    BTP + cash shop like Guild Wars 2 did.

    It´s perfect.


  • FindarielFindariel SomewherePosts: 216Member

    Oops you're right! :x

    Disappointing though that people actually want cash shops.

  • VarthanderVarthander BarcelonaPosts: 471Member Uncommon

    Buy to play because its already a fact that many mmo's can survive with that payment type if they do a good job.

    That in my oppinion makes subscription model useless and probably unfair.

    Edit: Also considering the economic situation of many countries, Saving 15$/€ monthly helps a lot for some people.


  • drbaltazardrbaltazar drummondville, QCPosts: 7,987Member
    F2p is rarelly viable in the long term ,p2p the same,with title like gw2 and the secret world (both good game)In the b2p camp.i think it is the gw2 they LL probably release new major content once a year.main tree.and new branch of said tree with probably sprout once a season .like adding dialogue to an npc etc ,i Thor it couldn't be done but i was wrong ,for gw2 adding smaller stuff is relatively easy .like the frost and fire content we re getting i be the main chaos of this will be released as a new b2p thing.and i far?i did mostly the ice part since i think the fire part isn't released yet or you need to be char to have it.
  • OnomasOnomas Rock Hill, SCPosts: 1,128Member Uncommon

    Subscription, for obvious reasons. I dont mind paying 30-50 cents a day to support a game i like.

    But while on the subject of pay models...


    F2P- "Free" to play isnt really "free" and should be labeled "Subscription free game". Because there is no such thing as "free" in this market, not if you want all the bells and whistles. It gives you the option to play with limitations and most times hurt your chatacters experience. Sure you can play free, but you will never be on the same level as a paying person. THen people whine and call it pay to win.


    B2P has been around a long time before GW's saga. Its no different than a console game or single player game you pay up front for and play when you want to. FPS, RTS< Strategy, rpg, etc.. Nothing new here, but people think this is the holy savior of mmo's lol.

    Cash shops.......... hate them, think its really horrible to charge outrageous prices for items and some games are really really bad with their cash shops, sometimes starting out with cosmetics and then going more into other things to gain more profit often leaving the game feeling heap and pay to win.



  • boxsndboxsnd Kraxton, ARPosts: 438Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Findariel

    Oops you're right! :x

    Disappointing though that people actually want cash shops.

    I find people wanting subscriptions (the grim reaper of MMOs) more disappointing. B2P is the way to go for ESO.

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  • jtcgsjtcgs New Port Richey, ILPosts: 1,777Member

    I will NEVER subscribe to another MMO again. Period. I dont care what the IP is, who the company is, or how good the game is.

    The subscription model was created and fed to us with lies about bandwidth costs, its been PROVEN its a lie and that companies can make massive profits without it...and now the subscription model is even coming with cash shops or cash shop like items like in WoW. Companies see the extra money that can be made with them, so now they will start charging for a sub, and still bring in cash shops/items.

    No thank you. As long as there are quality B2P and F2P games I see even less a reason to get suckered by a subscription game.

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  • FearumFearum Cinnaminson, NJPosts: 1,166Member Uncommon
    B2P is only good for having holiday events that make you reach for your CC or buy gold from the cash shop. It keeps your staff tied up working on ways to get you to visit the cash shop instead of focusing on bugs, exploits and adding new content.
  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Subscription only, no cash shops, no paid expansions. Perhaps way to buy / sell subs in game.

    Eve has it right. If your game is good enough you only need subs. When I see increased box price and no sub,I fear quick cash grab.
  • xArsonistxxArsonistx deustland, ARPosts: 31Member
    After gw2 I will gladly pay a sub. B2p cash shop = korean grind or p2w always no matter what they say.
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