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Ability to vote on comments (a la reddit or youtube)

zethcarnzethcarn Kentucky, KYMember Posts: 1,558 Uncommon

Have each comment start off at +1 and if it's gets upvoted above +1 then display it next to the comment.  If it gets downvoted below +1 then keep the score hidden from everyone including the person who posted it.  This way people will appreciate high voted comments but won't feel punished  if their comment gets downvoted to oblivion (whether by trolls or normal people).

We can even take this further and have the User Rank be affected by the quality of your comments.  A lot of high voted comments will increase your User Rank.  A lot of bad comments could decrease your User Rank.

I've been a member since 2004 and my rank doesn't really mean anything to me because I feel just because a post is long it doesn't necessarily means it's high quality.  Therefore I don't take the ranking system seriously at all.

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  • zethcarnzethcarn Kentucky, KYMember Posts: 1,558 Uncommon
    Some feedback on this?
  • MikeBMikeB MMORPG.com Community Manager Queens, NYAdministrator Posts: 6,040 Uncommon

    Hi there,

    We've discussed this in various forms in the past and not really sure where we're at with this right now. If we do it, we need to ensure that it isn't open to abuse. It's a valuble tool to be sure, but we just need to be careful about if it we do implement it.

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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryMember Posts: 10,459 Epic
    Originally posted by MikeB
    Hi there, We've discussed this in various forms in the past and not really sure where we're at with this right now. If we do it, we need to ensure that it isn't open to abuse. It's a valuble tool to be sure, but we just need to be careful about if it we do implement it.

    I like an upvote/downvote system, but I think it could cause a lot of overhead and hassle for you as well.  LotRO has an up/down reputation system and it's ripe for farming and hassle.

    A possible solution is to have a "like" button ala Facebook.  The Rift forums have had like buttons for quite a while now and it seems to be working quite nicely.

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  • SenadinaSenadina San Diego, CAMember Posts: 896 Uncommon
    No. Please no. This is just asking for griefing. Look at the poison Metacritic has become to the entertainment industry. These systems of popular vote are too ripe for abuse. Even unpopular opinions deserve to be heard.

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  • waynejr2waynejr2 West Toluca Lake, CAMember Posts: 6,587 Rare
    Originally posted by MikeB
    Hi there, We've discussed this in various forms in the past and not really sure where we're at with this right now. If we do it, we need to ensure that it isn't open to abuse. It's a valuble tool to be sure, but we just need to be careful about if it we do implement it.

     Allow a person to turn off votes for their own comments and you have a winner.

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  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COMember Posts: 3,292 Uncommon
    hmm, this seems really hard to do and NOT be abused.

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  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownMember Posts: 3,452 Uncommon

    Simple up vote and down vote number in the header line, signifying nothing, affecting nothing.

    +1

  • FARGIN_WARFARGIN_WAR New York, NYMember Posts: 166
    Originally posted by MikeB
    Hi there, We've discussed this in various forms in the past and not really sure where we're at with this right now. If we do it, we need to ensure that it isn't open to abuse. It's a valuble tool to be sure, but we just need to be careful about if it we do implement it.

    It sounds like an appealing idea at first, but I think all it would do in the long term is just cause more headaches for you guys on the moderating staff.

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  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHMember Posts: 3,090 Uncommon
    Nah this will do nothing but make anyone who likes themeparks get more downvoted and the trolls and haters become more godlike on this site.

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  • NBlitzNBlitz ZwolleMember Posts: 1,904
    What about:
    You can't downvote or upvote unless you leave a comment of about x words length to the post in question?

    It might deter people who want to abuse the system anonymously.
    It might be positive for the post(er) in question to know who voted him/her up/down and the reason why.
  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COMember Posts: 3,292 Uncommon
    Originally posted by RefMinor
    Simple up vote and down vote number in the header line, signifying nothing, affecting nothing. +1

    If it signifies nothing and affects nothing then why would it be done?

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  • jtcgsjtcgs New Port Richey, ILMember Posts: 1,777
    A place for opinions should not have a way to give ratings, it calls for mob mentality and squashes individual thinking.

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  • ZoeMcCloskeyZoeMcCloskey Phoenix, AZMember Posts: 1,211 Uncommon

    I'd vote for this :P

    Well I think it would be a good idea, but they do need to be careful in how to implement it.  I would say what others have said wehre you can only + or like something, no need for downvotes.

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  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILMember Posts: 6,403
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    Originally posted by RefMinor
    Simple up vote and down vote number in the header line, signifying nothing, affecting nothing. +1

    If it signifies nothing and affects nothing then why would it be done?

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    ....cause it makes Bill Shakespeare happy? Seems vaguely appropriate to a lot of topics we see frequently repeated...

    I dunno, Punish The Miscreants seems to be the primary development goal of voting systems. Attack dog without teeth that gums burglars?

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  • MikeBMikeB MMORPG.com Community Manager Queens, NYAdministrator Posts: 6,040 Uncommon
    Originally posted by ZoeMcCloskey
    I'd vote for this :P Well I think it would be a good idea, but they do need to be careful in how to implement it.  I would say what others have said wehre you can only + or like something, no need for downvotes.

    I'm more partial to this as well. Less room for abuse and griefing.

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  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIMember Posts: 7,974

    I think it'd be a great system if you could only +1 people.

    Downvote would get abused and anything more serious you already have Report features.

  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Sioux City, IAMember Posts: 3,828 Common


    Originally posted by Senadina
    No. Please no. This is just asking for griefing. Look at the poison Metacritic has become to the entertainment industry. These systems of popular vote are too ripe for abuse. Even unpopular opinions deserve to be heard.
    Exactly! Please do not allow posters who disagree or agree have any influence on others postings. 90% of posts are opinions. How does one rate opinions?

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  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAMember Posts: 7,928
    Originally posted by MikeB
    Originally posted by ZoeMcCloskey
    I'd vote for this :P Well I think it would be a good idea, but they do need to be careful in how to implement it.  I would say what others have said wehre you can only + or like something, no need for downvotes.

    I'm more partial to this as well. Less room for abuse and griefing.

    +1 for this:).. i'd also re-adjust peoples titles to reflect their +1's sort of work it into the star system in some way

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  • AeonbladesAeonblades Home, GAMember Posts: 2,083
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by MikeB
    Originally posted by ZoeMcCloskey
    I'd vote for this :P Well I think it would be a good idea, but they do need to be careful in how to implement it.  I would say what others have said wehre you can only + or like something, no need for downvotes.

    I'm more partial to this as well. Less room for abuse and griefing.

    +1 for this:).. i'd also re-adjust peoples titles to reflect their +1's

    Sounds good to me, prevents people from abusing the system.

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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryMember Posts: 10,459 Epic

    Originally posted by BadSpock

    I think it'd be a great system if you could only +1 people. Downvote would get abused and anything more serious you already have Report features.  

    Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at.  The system works really well for Rift's forums and obviously Facebook and Google+.

    Originally posted by AlBQuirky

    Originally posted by Senadina
    No. Please no. This is just asking for griefing. Look at the poison Metacritic has become to the entertainment industry. These systems of popular vote are too ripe for abuse. Even unpopular opinions deserve to be heard.
    Exactly! Please do not allow posters who disagree or agree have any influence on others postings. 90% of posts are opinions. How does one rate opinions?

    I think registering agreement is different from disagreement.  Clicking +1 or "Like" isn't much different than posting "QFT" or "I agree... (10 characters)".  It's a way of showing agreement without cluttering up the forum with useless posts within posts and extra useless comments.  Check out the RIft forums for an example.

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  • erictlewiserictlewis Cottondale, ALMember Posts: 3,021 Uncommon
    Originally posted by BadSpock
    I think it'd be a great system if you could only +1 people. Downvote would get abused and anything more serious you already have Report features.

    Yes I watched this happen in the LOTRO forums,  I seen folks get so called dog piled on who would saysomething negative.  I actually once got a downvote from sapience and got a pm message from him to as why.  

    I would got +1   put not downvotes.    There are folks in these forums who would enjoy tearing certain posters a new one, and I think that would be a bad idea. 

     

  • MMOGamer71MMOGamer71 Pittsburgh, PAMember Posts: 1,930 Uncommon

    No.

    Because rep bombing would start with people having/making alt accounts.  Don't believe me?  Look at the World of Tanks forums where downvoting was taken off because of this reason.

  • RoxtarrRoxtarr Freeland, MI, MIMember Posts: 1,122

    I'm against a voting system.  People will be afraid to post unpopular ideas in fear of being downvoted to oblivion.  The ideas posted should be judged fairly without the influence of the "popluar" vote.  Leave that stuff to YouTube and Reddit.  Nobody should fear in sharing their opinion, or having theirs immediately decided by a post that is "popular".  

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  • Ramonski7Ramonski7 Aurora, ILMember Posts: 2,661 Uncommon
    Originally posted by Aeonblades
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by MikeB
    Originally posted by ZoeMcCloskey
    I'd vote for this :P Well I think it would be a good idea, but they do need to be careful in how to implement it.  I would say what others have said wehre you can only + or like something, no need for downvotes.

    I'm more partial to this as well. Less room for abuse and griefing.

    +1 for this:).. i'd also re-adjust peoples titles to reflect their +1's

    Sounds good to me, prevents people from abusing the system.

    I like itas well and commented on another thread how that's the way it should be. It would actually be benificial to see others who do not like posting either way to participate in a discussion, even if it's only a vote for support on a opinion they happen to agree with. Negative nancys, on the other hand, are going to comment either way so there is no need to give them a easy way to dogpile someone.

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  • evilastroevilastro EdinburghMember Posts: 4,270
    Originally posted by MikeB
    Originally posted by ZoeMcCloskey
    I'd vote for this :P Well I think it would be a good idea, but they do need to be careful in how to implement it.  I would say what others have said wehre you can only + or like something, no need for downvotes.

    I'm more partial to this as well. Less room for abuse and griefing.

     I agree, + votes or likes will have the same desired effect, but without the trolling capacity.

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