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  • ant211ant211 surreyPosts: 54Member
    Originally posted by tommygunzII
    Originally posted by tixylix

    There was story in FF11?

    I never encountered any story when I played for the 10 or so hours I did. All I found myself doing was grinding on mobs and getting bored very fast at how bad the service was, the controls were, the UI was and how bland and empty all the zones were. 

    The story I encountered in FF14 was so bad, I mean soooooooooooooooo bad I couldn't even laugh at how goofy and cheesy it is, I just cringed and was so glad no one else was around to see it. 

    Unlike most MMO's FFXI didn't frontload the game with content to keep this new generation of ADD cases hooked. Other MMO's in 10 hours will not only fully gear you but you also have 10 abilities along with a key to the city. In FFXI you earn those things, they are not given away. It's too bad you missed out on this masterpiece but it isn't for everyone. Lucky for you there are 700 MMO's out there that would probably suit your needs, and will give you the world in the 10th hour. If you want instant gratification you are in the wrong place.

     

     

    very well said!

    plenty of soloable/easy games out already. ffxi great because it was hard to achieve objectives without a good group. felt more rewarding when earning items. acievements meant more because not everyone could have all the best items.

    i hope one day someone has the balls to make a tough game where adventure and levelling is the main focus and end game isnt the be all end all.

     

  • Cryton1986Cryton1986 wolverhamptonPosts: 1Member

    if any of you guys are returning or even starting at relaunch and are looking for a linkshell to help get you started the elite of hyperion are recruiting.

    we are a highly active north american ls (although we have people from all over and have an eu division) based on the hyperion server please check out our site www.theelitelinkshell.com

    you can apply via the website or get in touch via the ffxiv pads site Xavian Ocelot or Gaven Bylander or if your looking to play on ps3 add me as a friend Cryton1986

  • SacredDarkSacredDark whitburnPosts: 8Member

    If i felt like grinding id just work longer hours.

    If you just mean harder content then i agree.

  • MagiknightMagiknight McKinleyville, CAPosts: 782Member

    FFXIV ARR is nothing like  (old school) FFXI. Just off the top of my head....

     

    FFXI                                                             FFXIV

    long ladder to the top                                   short ladder to the top

    expensive items                                          you can afford anything

    open world you have to explore                  go from one exclamation point to the next

    meaningful death penalty                           spend 5 minutes worth of money to repair armor after dying

    > 75% content mandates groups               solo all you want

    specialized jobs                                          each job performs numerous roles

    no instances prior to ToAU                         virtually every dungeon and all end game content is instanced

     

    on and on....

     

    When you play it you will reach max level within a month if you play casually. Then you will do raids and dungeons with linkshells in instances so that you can get tons of gold and items. There will be a ridiculous number of quests. Each quest will require you to follow one point after the next on your mini map so that you can be ridiculously rewarded. So each quest is basically the same. Not one will require you to spend days doing. Each quest will be done within an hour.  Short and sweet sums up FFXIV.

     

     

  • Cod_EyeCod_Eye jarrowPosts: 1,016Member
    Originally posted by Magiknight

    FFXIV ARR is nothing like  (old school) FFXI. Just off the top of my head....

     

    FFXI                                                             FFXIV

    long ladder to the top                                   short ladder to the top

    expensive items                                          you can afford anything

    open world you have to explore                  go from one exclamation point to the next

    meaningful death penalty                           spend 5 minutes worth of money to repair armor after dying

    > 75% content mandates groups               solo all you want

    specialized jobs                                          each job performs numerous roles

    no instances prior to ToAU                         virtually every dungeon and all end game content is instanced

     

    on and on....

     

    When you play it you will reach max level within a month if you play casually. Then you will do raids and dungeons with linkshells in instances so that you can get tons of gold and items. There will be a ridiculous number of quests. Each quest will require you to follow one point after the next on your mini map so that you can be ridiculously rewarded. So each quest is basically the same. Not one will require you to spend days doing. Each quest will be done within an hour.  Short and sweet sums up FFXIV.

     

     

    And your facts are based on what?

  • MagiknightMagiknight McKinleyville, CAPosts: 782Member
    Alpha play and interviews
  • Cod_EyeCod_Eye jarrowPosts: 1,016Member
    Originally posted by Magiknight
    Alpha play and interviews

    How about a link to the statement "you can afford anything"?

    You are making it sound like ARR will be a five minute wonder, and that the game will be all done and dusted in a month.  Just wrong.

  • tollboothtollbooth grants pass, ORPosts: 298Member

    We'll never get another FFXI pre-abyssea style game.  Just look at the comments in this thread, and you'll see exactly why.  Everyone who played it like it was ment to be played say it was f'ing amazing, but the people who played it like WoW say it was a boring job. 

    MMO's aren't just becoming dumbed down and casual... they are catering to kids that should be playing single player mmo's on coop mode.  It's so hard to see an entire genre destroyed by punks that have no experience in what mmo's used to be.

  • zellmerzellmer Fakesville, WIPosts: 442Member

    FFXI  without any expansions and when it first started up had its charms and it was nice that it wasn't easy, but you where paying to sit around and say "Looking for group!" if you where anything but a white mage/bard for the most part, and god help you if you where a worthless summoner.

    Also making some of the classes so hard to get by yourself made the playerbases "selection" pretty crappy even if you could look past the "We have 92384932843294832 damage dealers looking for groups already..." aspect.

    Forcing you to group made for an EQ experience where you waited for 4-5 hours for a group..

     

     

  • tollboothtollbooth grants pass, ORPosts: 298Member
    Originally posted by zellmer

    FFXI  without any expansions and when it first started up had its charms and it was nice that it wasn't easy, but you where paying to sit around and say "Looking for group!" if you where anything but a white mage/bard for the most part, and god help you if you where a worthless summoner.

    Also making some of the classes so hard to get by yourself made the playerbases "selection" pretty crappy even if you could look past the "We have 92384932843294832 damage dealers looking for groups already..." aspect.

    Forcing you to group made for an EQ experience where you waited for 4-5 hours for a group..

     

     

    People keep saying this, but I never waited for groups for more than 10-20 minutes.  I mean how could you be sitting waiting for a group when there were 20 jobs to level?  Find the party leaders for the different group levels and send them messages saying you were lfg for all the jobs you were leveling.  Most of the time they would give you a eta on the next person leaving or simply they didn't need your job.  If you were leveling up a less desired job at the time then you set up a static with your friends.   I lvl'd 18/20 jobs to 75 just fine this way, and after a while people were sending me tells asking if i had anything i wanted to xp.

    I find it crazy that people couldn't make enough friends to always have lvling partners in a game that was as social as ffxi.

     

  • Cod_EyeCod_Eye jarrowPosts: 1,016Member
    Originally posted by tollbooth
    Originally posted by zellmer

    FFXI  without any expansions and when it first started up had its charms and it was nice that it wasn't easy, but you where paying to sit around and say "Looking for group!" if you where anything but a white mage/bard for the most part, and god help you if you where a worthless summoner.

    Also making some of the classes so hard to get by yourself made the playerbases "selection" pretty crappy even if you could look past the "We have 92384932843294832 damage dealers looking for groups already..." aspect.

    Forcing you to group made for an EQ experience where you waited for 4-5 hours for a group..

     

     

    People keep saying this, but I never waited for groups for more than 10-20 minutes.  I mean how could you be sitting waiting for a group when there were 20 jobs to level?  Find the party leaders for the different group levels and send them messages saying you were lfg for all the jobs you were leveling.  Most of the time they would give you a eta on the next person leaving or simply they didn't need your job.  If you were leveling up a less desired job at the time then you set up a static with your friends.   I lvl'd 18/20 jobs to 75 just fine this way, and after a while people were sending me tells asking if i had anything i wanted to xp.

    I find it crazy that people couldn't make enough friends to always have lvling partners in a game that was as social as ffxi.

     

    Agree with tollbooth on this one, instead of sitting around lfg, how about creating your own party, joining or creating a linkshell with like minded people, or doing other content while flagged, it wasnt like there wasnt a ton of content to do.  MMO's should be social games with social interactions, half the problem with companies churning out rubbish MMO's these days is because players are whining about the need to join others to overcome obstacles.

    I made some good friends from Australia and Asia in FFXI, its great way to find new friends from around the world.

  • EdeusEdeus Stamford, CTPosts: 506Member
    Originally posted by Cod_Eye
    Originally posted by Magiknight
    Alpha play and interviews

    How about a link to the statement "you can afford anything"?

    You are making it sound like ARR will be a five minute wonder, and that the game will be all done and dusted in a month.  Just wrong.

    I dont think he was saying "Five minute wonder."  He was just pointing out there ARE differences.  The interviews and videos are all on here posted by that crazy fanboy darknessreign or someone. 

     

    Also based on how FFXIV was right before the servers went down, we CAN safely assume lvling will be faster, lots of instances, money flows easily, etc. etc.  Of course the game will be different from then, but we can figure out the general direction Yoshi was going before it shut down, and from that we can know the future.

     

    Of course all of this can be avoided if jp's just told us the specific details and stopped acting like how lvling works/the graphics/economy etc. was some big MMO secret!  *getting tired of their constant secrecy sourrounding every mundane detail.

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  • nbtscannbtscan Phoenix, AZPosts: 774Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Magiknight

    Each quest will require you to follow one point after the next on your mini map so that you can be ridiculously rewarded. So each quest is basically the same. Not one will require you to spend days doing. Each quest will be done within an hour.  Short and sweet sums up FFXIV.

    Obviously you never did the relic weapon quest.  Required a ton of Hamlet grinding, millions of gil spent on buying the starter weapon or blowing up synths on double materia melds, not to mention the levequest, 17 minute dungeon runs, Ifrit Xtreme and Garuda kills.  It took nearly a month to complete this "quest".  Granted, it wasn't as lengthy as relics in FFXI, but you didn't have to rely on 40+ other people to get currency or NM kills either.

    To address the topic, a game like pre-Abyssea FFXI won't financially succeed in today's world.  The people playing FFXI 10 years have (mostly) grown up and have responsibilities that keep them from sitting in front of their computer for 10 hours at a time.  The newer generation coming into gaming have the instant gratification mindset.  A small vocal minority are the only people that still want a game like FFXI to be around, probably mostly due to some nostalgic feelings towards it.

     

     

  • Dantae87Dantae87 Camloops, ABPosts: 166Member
    could never get into FF11...coudnt get passed the REQUIRED TO BE IN A PARTY aspect of it. I like to solo things as im not good at making friends :p

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  • MagiknightMagiknight McKinleyville, CAPosts: 782Member
    Originally posted by nbtscan
    Originally posted by Magiknight

    Each quest will require you to follow one point after the next on your mini map so that you can be ridiculously rewarded. So each quest is basically the same. Not one will require you to spend days doing. Each quest will be done within an hour.  Short and sweet sums up FFXIV.

    Obviously you never did the relic weapon quest.  Required a ton of Hamlet grinding, millions of gil spent on buying the starter weapon or blowing up synths on double materia melds, not to mention the levequest, 17 minute dungeon runs, Ifrit Xtreme and Garuda kills.  It took nearly a month to complete this "quest".  Granted, it wasn't as lengthy as relics in FFXI, but you didn't have to rely on 40+ other people to get currency or NM kills either.

    To address the topic, a game like pre-Abyssea FFXI won't financially succeed in today's world.  The people playing FFXI 10 years have (mostly) grown up and have responsibilities that keep them from sitting in front of their computer for 10 hours at a time.  The newer generation coming into gaming have the instant gratification mindset.  A small vocal minority are the only people that still want a game like FFXI to be around, probably mostly due to some nostalgic feelings towards it.

     

     

     

    I played FFXI for five years and I rarely played more than 20 hours a week. There were a few months where I hardly logged on. It didn't matter that I wasn't reaching max level or hadn't completed the ROZ missions. Just because it was a slow game didn't mean you had to play it for 10 hours a day. This is the mindset that drives me crazy when people talk about themepark games. They actually believe that an MMO can only start once you have reached the endgame. An MMO can have a slower pace and you still don't have to spend 10 hours a day playing it.

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