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[Column] Neverwinter: Hope & Fear All at Once

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  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,221Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ozmodan
    Originally posted by iamtruthseeker

    I thought I would never have to make an "official" account but this left me no choice. 

    Neverwinter never ever was a subscription planned game and will not be. The pricing is for Founders packs only and is completely optional as wel as the Foundry NEVER will charge for authors. Ms. Ford, pleas correct your article, thank you.  I will end my reply here and any of you can discuss this on our official forums if you like.

    It is right on the website, you have to pay for additional foundry slots after you use a few.  Read much?

    I looked for pricing information about the foundry and didn't see it on the foundry page or the faq.  Can you link to what the pricing will be or where it discusses that?

  • FelconianFelconian Cape TownPosts: 103Member
    you sir ..are 100% Right !
  • ArconaArcona VanlosePosts: 1,185Member
    Originally posted by iamtruthseeker
    All I will say is there is some inaccurate article "subscription" information and this is noted by the US community manager here: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?32131-mmorpg-com-says-the-game-has-a-sub-and-lifetime-option&p=542151&viewfull=1#post542151
     
    Neverwinter never ever was a subscription planned game and will not be. The pricing is for Founders packs only and is completely optional. I will end my reply here and any of you can discuss this on our official forums if you like. Ms. Ford, pleas correct your article, thank you. 
     

    Now give some beta keys to show you are not completely greedy :)

  • ArconaArcona VanlosePosts: 1,185Member

    Monthly fee, Lifetime subsribtion, Foundry payments...

    so many inaccuracies in this article, [mod edit]

     

  • MastrshadowMastrshadow Columbia, SCPosts: 14Member

    Have to lol at the author of this article who doesn't seem to know much of anything about the game.

    Speaking just to the idea of monetizing the Foundry, Craig Zinkievich, Crptic Studios COO, specifically said that they would not, and the rest of the gaming industry should not, monitize content authors.

    Link to article with video

    Research is hard....

     
  • describabledescribable EdinburghPosts: 406Member

    it's cryptic, they once boasted they could make any MMO in 6 months using their engine.

     

     

    i just don't trust them.

    "nothing actually matters, we're just slightly evolved monkeys clinging to a dying piece of rock hurtling through space waiting for our eventual death." - Frankie Boyle, Mock The Week

  • MMOGamer71MMOGamer71 Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 1,930Member Uncommon

    "skeptics are quick to point out that every F2P MMO is an abysmal failure (they think)."

     

    No.  Charging for basic UI items like skill bars are an abysmal failure...........but I won't mention any games.

  • rmk70rmk70 Toronto, ONPosts: 397Member Uncommon
    Another instance of MMORPG.com requiring better editors to spot check their work.... 
  • ValentynValentyn New Albany, INPosts: 11Member
    Originally posted by Fendel84M

    Anyone know if the Dire Wolf in the $60 pack is a combat pet like the panther?

     

    It is indeed a companion like the panther.

  • itgrowlsitgrowls newport news, VAPosts: 2,951Member

    As a lifetime member of STO I can tell you all now there's nothing to worry about. People were all whining and crying about how terrible STO was at launch but then PW came along and people whined even louder. NONE of the claims these whiners yelled in the forums were true about STO/PW combining forces. STO is more balanced and is not a money hog for everything like I've found GW2 post Nov 15th to be, They actually allow you to get the best gear without spending a dime of RL money in the store. Sure you have to spend a couple of weeks gathering dilithium but it's nothing like the 16 months of dailies you have to do to get the best gear in GW2 right now.

    I'd suggest you people do more homework before complaining.

  • MMOGamer71MMOGamer71 Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 1,930Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by itgrowls

    As a lifetime member of STO I can tell you all now there's nothing to worry about. People were all whining and crying about how terrible STO was at launch but then PW came along and people whined even louder. NONE of the claims these whiners yelled in the forums were true about STO/PW combining forces. STO is more balanced and is not a money hog for everything like I've found GW2 post Nov 15th to be, They actually allow you to get the best gear without spending a dime of RL money in the store. Sure you have to spend a couple of weeks gathering dilithium but it's nothing like the 16 months of dailies you have to do to get the best gear in GW2 right now.

    I'd suggest you people do more homework before complaining.

    Yes having a different viewpoint than yours is whining and crying.

  • augustgraceaugustgrace Cottonwood, CAPosts: 624Member Uncommon

    Looks like there has been a bit of quiet editing.

    Originally article stated-

    If we look at Star Trek Online, another game developed by Cryptic and now published by PWE, we can get a good idea of what monetization will look like in Neverwinter.
    First there will be subscriptions, so-called Gold Memberships that come in at a typical old-school subscription price of $14.99 per month. There is also the Lifetime “Founder” status for $199. Score one for budget pricing. No really. Two hundred dollars, even if the game only lasted two years, is a helluva price.

     

    Now it says-

    If we look at Star Trek Online, another game developed by Cryptic and now published by PWE, we can get a good idea of what monetization will look like in Neverwinter. In STO there are subscriptions, so-called Gold Memberships that come in at a typical old-school subscription price of $14.99 per month. There is also the Lifetime “Founder” status for $199. Score one for budget pricing. No really. Two hundred dollars, even if the game only lasted two years, is a helluva price.

     

    Really not an adequate change, because it still sort of implies, especially with the erroneous Lifetime reference, that NWO has a sub.  Also the correction should be public, not a quiet ninja edit.

  • ThomasN7ThomasN7 87.18.7.148 1, NJPosts: 6,690Member
    This article is thick with the stench of hype. I would really like to believe Cryptic is going to make something special here , I really do but their past is just so bad how could anyone believe ? Just saying record speaks louder than words.
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  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,058Member Uncommon

     

    Again, however, the specter of monetization hangs over the Foundry as well. Will builders need or want to purchase additional item sets or creation abilities to tell these stories? Will Cryptic and PWE somehow want to monetize the best of the mods created by allowing builders to charge a fee for use and taking a percentage of each sale? It remains unclear but the hope is that this won’t happen or that, if it does, it’s a reasonable approach. Most of us wouldn’t begrudge a stellar builder a few bucks off his or her creation!

     

    Just want to point out that Jack Emmert himself pointed out Cryptic will never charge for content including Foundry content.  So I normally take the head of a company at his word.  I do not think they will monetize the mods either but they do allow for users of the content to give a "tip" to designers to show support.  Plus Foundry modders get other incentives from Cryptic themselves for producing good content so no need for them to monetize it.

     

    As for the rest of the article, NWO is the #1 MMO I am most hyped for and I am not ashamed to say I purchased the $200 foudners pack this morning when it went on sale because it has items I want and guarentess me as early access as possible.  Everthing the game is conveying is all the things I look forward to the most in an MMO.  Mainly dungeon running, Action Combat and near unlimted themepark content in the form of a robust UGC (User-Generated-Content).

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,058Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MumboJumbo
    I would say that trailer is atrocious, but it avoided using CGI so I won't that far. What exactly was that show-casing??

    or people could do a modicum of research and see there are numerous gameplay vids from all the cons like E3 and Pax.  Neverwinter has also taken best of show at Pax East and Gamescom 2012.

     

    So for those of you that are holding your breath in anticipation of the invite (turning blue here Cryptic/PWE save a fellow) I've compiled a list of gameplay videos to take the edge off I apologize if there are duplicates however my eyes started to cross after awhile Also some of these are interviews with gameplay. For those of you that are interested the video with Athene speaking to Andy covers some things about PVP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylmYK...yer_detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVaP-...yer_detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZORH...yer_detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vNMq...yer_detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhhLZ...yer_detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKm-g...yer_detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEFpx...yer_detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfmQS...yer_detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecPXS...yer_detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc2TP...yer_detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUL0H...yer_detailpage

    http://www.gametrailers.com/e3/video...gameplay--cam-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLvD2...yer_detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOMyE...yer_detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMjP4...yer_detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glh10...yer_detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHyR9...yer_detailpage

    http://videos.pcgames.de/hdvideo/912...ertes-Gameplay
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ8qK...yer_detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0DDw...yer_detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HPbn...yer_detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oDjb...yer_detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Xs8lf_xJbsQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=W45zEo3IaSY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=FfOg2i-lHuo

    http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/neverw...0,3008540.html

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • jedensuscgjedensuscg Kodiak, AKPosts: 209Member

    The foundry in STO, back when the game was still P2P and had no restrictions, was amazing for an MMO.  Sure it's not NWN toolset good, but, given that eveything has to be done serverside(to avoid hacking/manipulating the game, items, etc) it was good.  Many people do not realize that the foundy in STO was not even their full fledged foundry that Neverwinter will have, as it was stated that it was more of a testbed of the foundry intself, and had a more limited approach.  Yet, I saw some amazing missions written with that.  If you play a game for fun, well written stories, I am sure Neverwinter will appeal, because the amount of qaulity player driven content is astounding.  Ya, there is a lot of crap too, and even though STO had a rating system, the brave had to wade through the crap missions in order to find the good ones, rate them, and let the less brave just pick and choose from the better rated missions. 

    I am worried however about PWE and their notorious money laundrying (i mean P2P) scheme.  They are a trash company that will put monetary gain FAR above their own players, far more then most other companies will. (Making money is one thing, nickel and diming and ripping players off is just greedy trash BS)

    Let's hope the fact Neverwinter is catering more towards a western audience due to it's IP and foundry tools, tempers the approach of their typical blatant P2W mentality.

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  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,058Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ozmodan

    Whoa Suzie, the foundry is not even close to what you could build with the original toolset.  Let's not go overboard there.  You also have to pay for it after the first few times.

    My thought is that PW will not be able to resist putting game changing things in the item shop.  Every other game they own has them.  Hopefully I will be wrong here.

    I guess we will have to wait and see.

    WTH, where did you get your information that you have to pay to use the Foundry.

     

    The only limitation is your character must be level 15 before you can unlock the Foundry system.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • NobleNerdNobleNerd Wolcott, NYPosts: 671Member Uncommon

    My 16 year old nephew could have written a more accurate article than this person! 

     

    That being said. I have to agree with many other posters here, I am very catious about PW and Cryptic attempting to cash in on beta hype. If this was a proper beta it would be enough to get free workers to help make the game better. NO beta should have a price to play on it! You are helping the developer make the game better before launch. This stinks to high heaven and I will not give them my cash until I see some game play results. 

     

    They have had long enough with this game with little evidence to the public of any results. They have pushed back their launch date numerous times. If it was a developer with a better track record with their games people could be more patient, but this is Cryptic and PW. 

     

    In D&D I do not recall cute vanity pets. I am dissapointed to see WoWesc crap in a D&D world!!!!! NO TO VANITY PETS. This is Forgotten Realms not cartoon time with Blizzard.

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  • Reas43Reas43 New York, NYPosts: 297Member

    I am pretty sure that's about the most cheeseball trailer I've ever seen for a game. 

     

    The narrator really made me feel they were talking about their local pizza joint and not their company's core project.

  • SamhaelSamhael Huntsville, ALPosts: 700Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by azzamasin

     

     Just want to point out that Jack Emmert himself pointed out Cryptic will never charge for content including Foundry content.  So I normally take the head of a company at his word.   

    You must be talking about some other Jack Emmert that doesn't work for Cryptic then.

  • SamhaelSamhael Huntsville, ALPosts: 700Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by augustgrace
    Originally posted by Ozmodan

    1)  Where?  Reading the foundry page, no such limits are suggested http://nw.perfectworld.com/about/foundry   Additionally I'm unaware of any such limits on the foundry in STO.

    2)  You do realize that that iamtruthseeker is a community mod, and likely knows more than either of us, right?

     

    Stupid formatting...

    Ok, on your point #2 -- so someone using that name registered an account here at MMORPG.com that has the same name as a community mod at PWI.  That's what we know. Posting in this thread actually reduces his/her credibility actually. The best thing to do would have been to contact Suzie directly or through the methods available to a company like Cryptic. But posting here, it could really be anyone.

  • inmysightsinmysights Houston, TXPosts: 271Member Uncommon
    I really hope this doesnt turn out to STO2, please, please prove us WRONG!

    I am so good, I backstabbed your face!

  • FrohheimFrohheim Saarbruecken, WAPosts: 11Member

    Its not a problem that its not NWN from Bioware - the problem is: The game is not DnD

    You can always argue that there need to be adjustments to make it an MMO - i agree on that - but this game will not feel like DnD and will not be as much fun as DnD. You'll see. ;)

    Monetization is every companies right. The issue here is, as you stated, how its implemented and how the company behaves. Looking at Perfect World and Cryptic you know how there stuff works after running into their "traps" once.

    The Foundry is a feature that sounds so cool but will just end up being worth nothing in the end and just be a footnote of the game. Its not like this is the first game that is implementing player driven content. Its just trying to be more userfriendly then the games before. 

    Look at your own article: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/36/view/reviews/load/46/Ryzom-Ring-Review.html

    There is no evolution or revolution about the foundry - its just their try to slow down the issue of people running out of content. In STO there are a ton of player created stories, but people still complain about the content and what to really do (except grind 100% unimportant starbases and weapons which you don't need for any type of content as all content is supereasy no matter the difficulty you try it on). Quality endgame content to keep large groups of people occupied is nothing that will soon be managed by player driven content developers. Don't fool yourself in thinking that the foundry will somehow be able to change the mmo world or even make this game more of a success. I am in a disbelief.

    I personally think that player driven content is not something you can box in missions. Its content you need to create for everyone to see, interact, live and take away. Player driven worlds are the things that will be the next big thing. Sandparks and Themeboxes will reign shortly until players will get a true themed sandbox which not only enables you to do what you want but also enjoy the game how you want it and empowers you to control the world in every diserable way. 

    EVE is promising in space. A great sandbox with a themed twist. 

    Archeage "might" be the first real deal in a fantasy setting we could enjoy. 

    Other then that... we'll have to actually wait and see what our small developers are able to push out into the wide world and what mechanics are that good and interesting for the big players to pick up and make a big AAA game. 

    Or Smedley makes a return and after learning (again) what they did wrong in games past (PS2 being the last one to have a huge flag of fail and success over its head)... "maybe" Everquest will save us from Questbased Themeparks and bring us a successfull Questbox. 

    We'll see. I love MMOs and will most likely play them til i die. As long as companies provide mie with platforms i might actually be allowed to enjoy my game time and not feel like a ripe orange ready to get juiced... or something such. ;)

     

  • ArconaArcona VanlosePosts: 1,185Member
    Originally posted by Xepo                                                                                                                                                                          NO beta should have a price to play on it! You are helping the developer make the game better before launch. This stinks to high heaven and I will not give them my cash until I see some game play results. 

    There are lots of ways to get into beta than buying the Founder's Packs

    In D&D I do not recall cute vanity pets. I am dissapointed to see WoWesc crap in a D&D world!!!!! NO TO VANITY PETS. This is Forgotten Realms not cartoon time with Blizzard.

    The pets fight.

     

    uninformed people everywhere.

  • allendale5allendale5 kansas city, MOPosts: 124Member
    I have a feeling that the player created content will be heavily monitored and the hand of big brother will be swooping in frequently.
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