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Unfortunately for Arenanet a lot of us are burned out on PVE and small scale PvP and we thought WvW was the best part of Guild Wars 2 by far. Why is that unfortunate?
Extreme unbalance between servers and consequently server hopping, which just made things worse.
So yes, a lot of us are tired of PVE and enjoy the challenge of PvP, especially PvP on a huge scale. But creating and maintaining that type of content seems to be beyond what Arenanet can manage or wants to allocate resources to. Much easier to whip up a few dungeons, tack on some shiny top end gear, and take the rest of the day off.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Originally posted by Konfess Contrary to popular belief the FPS gamer are not kids but 20 year olds, ex-college students whose parents still buy them everything.
As opposed to PvE'ers who are college professors.
Originally posted by nariusseldon Originally posted by Lokero P.S. The reason no one shows good sportsmanship anymore, such as telling your opponent "Hey, great fight, man," or tips their hats in respect, is because games don't allow it. The majority of games today don't allow you to communicate with your faction enemies, etc. Makes me sad, I've had some great chats with folks in the past after a PvP battle, giving each other tips and showing appreciation for a great fight.
Not true in the e-sports game like SC2, or LOL, or even WOT. You can chat with anyone.
But they aren't MMO's, the thread is about MMO's as per its title, please try not to derail.
Originally posted by Isturi It seems that todays gamers are just for pvp and ganking anymore. It seems that lore and pve has taken a back seat with MMO gaming anymore. Do gamers of today even care about lore or pve or do they perfer to just get the game role a class and go out and try to gank someone for a cheap thrill? I get the impresion that DEV are catering most MMO games now to the pvp crowd. Am I wrong?
I could not care less for pvp then I currently do. PvE is only world I'm interested in. I was also always kind of person that will help any player in trouble with pve world, does not matter if "opposite faction" and not to jump on his troath when alredy half dead from pve fight.
So what are these pvp centric mmorpgs ? I would love to try them.
Originally posted by SQTO So what are these pvp centric mmorpgs ? I would love to try them.
I'm still trying to figure that out. I asked about that earlier in the thread and didn't get much of an answer. According to this site's game list, there have been about 250 games released since Jan 2008. Of those which ones force PvP on the players... the only answer given was Aion. That's 0.4% of the population.
How can anyone complain when they own 99% of the market share?
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Originally posted by dave6660 Originally posted by SQTO So what are these pvp centric mmorpgs ? I would love to try them.
Eve Online has forced PvP. Darkfall is forced PvP so is Mortal Online, Archeage seems like it will be (sad to say, otherwise I'd play it in a heartbeat), Age of Wushu/Wulin is forced PvP, and many games have PvP servers.
Personally, I'm not interested in either getting ganked all the time when out in the open world or having to run around with 20 people everywhere I go to not get ganked, so these games don't remotely appeal to me even though I love being able to go to an area with large scale PvP if and when I choose to.
Originally posted by Madimorga Originally posted by dave6660 Originally posted by SQTO So what are these pvp centric mmorpgs ? I would love to try them.
Ok. We're up to 3 games now. Archeage doesn't count because it hasn't been released.
Eve was released 10 years ago. I looking for games in the past 5 years.
We're at 1.2% PvP vs 98.8% PvE.
I'm curious whether PvP can break 5%.
Originally posted by dave6660 Originally posted by Madimorga Originally posted by dave6660 Originally posted by SQTO So what are these pvp centric mmorpgs ? I would love to try them.
I agree PvPers get the short end of the stick when it comes to MMOs. One reason why is we are a minority that is subdivided into smaller groups. And those groups are often hostile to each other.
Like full open world versus restricted areas and every category of that in between. Like large scale versus small scale PvP, and solo versus group (this one is a big deal when these two are mixed because of what premades do to randoms).
We are divided further by the things that divide other gamers, like sub-genre (fantasy, sci-fi, other). So yeah, we don't have as much voice as pure PVE players. And I believe our content is much harder and more costly to develop and maintain than your average dungeon grind for shinies PVE content.
Originally posted by Eivi From the poll results so far, it seems that PvP players are just a vocal minority. Glad to hear it tbh. I always feel i get a lot of crap for being a purely pve player.
Originally posted by ShakyMo Eve online doesn't really have "forced pvp", its possible to avoid pvp if you build smart and stick to high sec. Forced pvp in last 5 years - aion, planetside 2, darkfall, mortal online can't think of any others. Forced to grind out linear stale boring as hell pve though - bloody loads of them.
I'll grant you that, Eve is a unique duck. There are some who don't even risk that much PvP because they never leave station! But from what I gathered during the admittedly short time I played there is a lot of content players who aren't interested in PvP will never see and a lot of things they'll never be able to do.
Planetside 2... good catch.
That brings us up to 1.6% PvP vs 98.4% PvE.
Originally posted by ShakyMo Forced pvp in last 5 years - aion, planetside 2, darkfall, mortal online can't think of any others.
Calling that 'forced PVP' is like saying Monopoly has forced dice rolling.
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Originally posted by RefMinor Originally posted by Eivi From the poll results so far, it seems that PvP players are just a vocal minority. Glad to hear it tbh. I always feel i get a lot of crap for being a purely pve player.
I'm no math teacher, but it looks like 57% to 8% dude. I did get a good laugh out of the washington politics style poll reading though. I love PvP, but a good PvP game hasn't come out in years, hopefully this one will make up for it. Thanks
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Originally posted by Aeonblades Originally posted by RefMinor Originally posted by Eivi From the poll results so far, it seems that PvP players are just a vocal minority. Glad to hear it tbh. I always feel i get a lot of crap for being a purely pve player.
True, but I think you would agree that if he had said that strictly PvP players are a vocal minority, that would be true but not very enlightening (Did anyone in mmorpg history ever think that strict PvP'ers were the bulk of the fans of the genre?). But a significant number do both. And if the poll question was, "Would you play a mmorpg that was strictly PvE?" I think we would see a much different result.
Originally posted by ShakyMo This site hardly counts as average mmo gamers. Lots of grumpy ex EQ, swg etc.. players here wanting a hard pve game.
They should be playing TSW. That game is fantastic for folks who like challenging and meaningful PvE.
The rest are those who prefer pve 57.1%
And those who like pve and pvp in mix are 29.9.
So 8.8% hardcore pvpers are most vocal in whole, compared to pve community.
If you mix first and third option? then do me a favor and count second and third together as well.