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cyriciancyrician perthPosts: 161Member Uncommon

Hello all 

 

Now I Normaly don't chime up and I love giving new games and debs a chance but is it just me or  is this becoming common place where we are getting charged to try betas out as though we should pay money to test developers games.?

 

Though of late I have actualy found one game I.e firefall that is very enjoyable , I was still able to play it before throwing my hard earned dollars down . I think more and more games are saying come here and pay to be testers for our games. This is actualy pointed to neverwinter but a lot are taking this stature. 

 

So my question is isn't it a little to ask a player to throw down 59$ to be a beta tester for a game that in the end you as des should be I tiding us to play. 

 

I know gaming is a business but I think charging for half finished games that no one has access to is a little unfair thoughts?

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  • gandalesgandales Pembroke Pines, FLPosts: 464Member
    Originally posted by cyrician

    Hello all 

     

    Now I Normaly don't chime up and I love giving new games and debs a chance but is it just me or  is this becoming common place where we are getting charged to try betas out as though we should pay money to test developers games.?

     

    Though of late I have actualy found one game I.e firefall that is very enjoyable , I was still able to play it before throwing my hard earned dollars down . I think more and more games are saying come here and pay to be testers for our games. This is actualy pointed to neverwinter but a lot are taking this stature. 

     

    So my question is isn't it a little to ask a player to throw down 59$ to be a beta tester for a game that in the end you as des should be I tiding us to play. 

     

    I know gaming is a business but I think charging for half finished games that no one has access to is a little unfair thoughts?

    supply and demand. On one hand,  if there were no people to beta test, companies would give away incentives for it. On the other hand, with so many people desperate to get into beta tests, it is not surprising that companies are able to use this in their favor.

    Keep in mind that beta testing not only give people a sense of the game but also gives important advantages to the very competitive players, who will know a lot about the game by the time of actual launch.

    For instance, on beta testing it would be possible to read the quest without rushing, that can be reserved by the time of launch in which the race for max level is always fierce.

  • DamonVileDamonVile Vancouver, BCPosts: 4,818Member
    You're not paying to test the game for them. You're paying to get early access and play the game long before it launches. All the people who act like they're doing the devs a favor are full of it.
  • cyriciancyrician perthPosts: 161Member Uncommon

    Before this post goes sideways id like to show what i meant.

     

    At the end of the day a beta is exactly that a beta . I have no problem paying for full releases even ones with Subs , What the post is stating is that paying for a game you ahve never tried never even logged into should charge you $ for beta access witch manny of these Founders packs do .

     

    NOW i have no issue at all paying for a founders pack after i ahve tested or played the game in question if i like it.

     

    The thing that i object to is games that come out and say look at me come buy me even though you have no idea who or what i am or what i offer.

     

    Doesnt that annoy others aswell?

     

    Both firefall and rift people were able to play the games before the founders pack was introduced witch i have no issue with .

     

    And at the end of the day the Consumer is the one with the power if you dont agree with this just look at how manny mmo's fail , Ratio is arround 1000 games made 1 succeeds.

     

     

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    Star treck online
    Rift
    Eve online
    Firefall

  • greenreengreenreen Punchoo, AKPosts: 2,101Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by cyrician
    ...snip

    And at the end of the day the Consumer is the one with the power if you dont agree with this just look at how manny mmo's fail , Ratio is arround 1000 games made 1 succeeds.

     

    Prove it.

    I can't name even 1k MMOs let alone multiple thousands but I can see plenty that claim success.

    You'll have to show where you came up with that number for it to be valid.

     

  • Superman0XSuperman0X San Jose, CAPosts: 1,603Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by cyrician

    Hello all 

     

    Now I Normaly don't chime up and I love giving new games and debs a chance but is it just me or  is this becoming common place where we are getting charged to try betas out as though we should pay money to test developers games.?

     

    This is indeed a hot new trend, and not one that I expect to go away. I think it is in fact an improvement over the old: Sell the game as P2P, and then convert to F2P after launch. It is at least more honest.

  • cyriciancyrician perthPosts: 161Member Uncommon
    Thank you to those few that responded with their opinions . It sadens me though those who were more interested in posting hostile responses to what I thought was a sharing of opinions .moderators please close this thread. 

    Current games;
    Star treck online
    Rift
    Eve online
    Firefall

  • RoxtarrRoxtarr Freeland, MI, MIPosts: 1,122Member

    Let's see: I can pay 10 bucks and play now, or I can hang around fansites for days hoping to snag a beta key.  Hmmmm.  If it's a game I'm very interested in, I'll usually pay.  If it's a game I'm only casually following, I'll try to snag a key.  In either case, I'm usually not regretting the decision.  The biggest complaints I've seen on various forums happens when a game is delayed then a segment of the community freaks out and demands refunds and creates threads about it.

    If in 1982 we played with the current mentality, we would have burned down all the pac man games since the red ghost was clearly OP. Instead we just got better at the game.
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  • TheocritusTheocritus Gary, INPosts: 3,754Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    You're not paying to test the game for them. You're paying to get early access and play the game long before it launches. All the people who act like they're doing the devs a favor are full of it.

    Basically these companies know they can suck money out of alot of players....These companies know that gamers are extremely impatient and alot will pay for jsut about anything, even stuff they have no idea what they are getting......There are so many games out now I just don't see justification for paying for early access or beta testing anything.

  • SlampigSlampig Chantilly, VAPosts: 2,376Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by cyrician

    Hello all 

     

    Now I Normaly don't chime up and I love giving new games and debs a chance but is it just me or  is this becoming common place where we are getting charged to try betas out as though we should pay money to test developers games.?

     

    Though of late I have actualy found one game I.e firefall that is very enjoyable , I was still able to play it before throwing my hard earned dollars down . I think more and more games are saying come here and pay to be testers for our games. This is actualy pointed to neverwinter but a lot are taking this stature. 

     

    So my question is isn't it a little to ask a player to throw down 59$ to be a beta tester for a game that in the end you as des should be I tiding us to play. 

     

    I know gaming is a business but I think charging for half finished games that no one has access to is a little unfair thoughts?

    People keep paying for it so they will keep charging for it. When people go back to actually TESTING during a beta and companies see that people are wanting to improve the game and not  just get a free trial or sneak peek then maybe companies will go back to the days of yore...

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  • Rider071Rider071 Utica, NYPosts: 318Member

    Like all F2P models, you have the freedom to buy what you want, when you want, and how you want from the game's shop or however their matrix is laid out.

    In the case of early access. it's not forced upon you. You can buy it or not buy it, but It's a proven viable and method of garnering income... brought to you by ANet and GW2's beta release.... now an expected part of a game's release.

    Roll with the changes, friend.

  • ReaperUkReaperUk Cambridgeshire, UKPosts: 657Member Uncommon

    Nobody's forcing anyone to pay money to get preferential treatment for getting into a beta. You can register your interest and hope for an invite the same as it's always been usually.

    However, IMHO people paying for a pre-order in order to get guaranteed beta access are likely to take the actual testing much more seriously than someone who applies for every beta test going just because they get to play a game for free. That in itself must be a very attractive proposition for a games maker. I've paid for pre-orders for quite a few games now knowing that as well as a head start, I'll get guaranteed beta access. I'm quite happy with that deal as I would have bought the game eventually anyway, but it's got me in quicker. I can't think of anytime  I've done it and regretted it yet.

  • QuirhidQuirhid TamperePosts: 5,969Member Common
    Nothing wrong with selling if someone's buying, right? You don't have to buy a beta access, you know. So its fair.

    I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky

  • QuirhidQuirhid TamperePosts: 5,969Member Common
    Originally posted by Rider071

    Like all F2P models, you have the freedom to buy what you want, when you want, and how you want from the game's shop or however their matrix is laid out.

    In the case of early access. it's not forced upon you. You can buy it or not buy it, but It's a proven viable and method of garnering income... brought to you by ANet and GW2's beta release.... now an expected part of a game's release.

    Roll with the changes, friend.

    Are you talking about the headstart or the beta now? -Because the headstart is not the same as beta.

    I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky

  • OziiusOziius Baltimore, MDPosts: 1,388Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by cyrician

    Before this post goes sideways id like to show what i meant.

     

    At the end of the day a beta is exactly that a beta . I have no problem paying for full releases even ones with Subs , What the post is stating is that paying for a game you ahve never tried never even logged into should charge you $ for beta access witch manny of these Founders packs do .

     

    NOW i have no issue at all paying for a founders pack after i ahve tested or played the game in question if i like it.

     

    The thing that i object to is games that come out and say look at me come buy me even though you have no idea who or what i am or what i offer.

     

    Doesnt that annoy others aswell?

     

    Both firefall and rift people were able to play the games before the founders pack was introduced witch i have no issue with .

     

    And at the end of the day the Consumer is the one with the power if you dont agree with this just look at how manny mmo's fail , Ratio is arround 1000 games made 1 succeeds.

     

     

    This is just ridiculous. Let me ask you this? Do you own a PS3 or an Xbox? Do you own any other gaming systems? I do, and guess what? I never get to "test" a game before I buy it. I buy it and if I don't like it, I have to decide what to do with it. When you go to buy a grill, do you get to take it home and test it first to make sure you like it? Or do you just buy it? I have never walked into a store and said, "I'd like to purchase this object... however, I have no idea what it is or what it offers, so I'd like to take it home and play with it to decide if I like it".... why should games be any different?

     

    If you have no idea what the game is or what it offers, why would you buy it or even want to participate in the beta? As a "consumer" it's your job to research a product before you buy it. With games, you have absolutely no excuse for not doing the research. It's out there. Reviews, previews, youtube forum sites, etc. It's the same with any product you buy. Do the research and decide if you want it. 

     

    I hope more companies move to this strategy. At the present, the majority of people treat betas like free previews of the game and have absolutely no intrest in actually helping. They just want to play a game for free. So... do the research on the game, if you decide you want to help the developer, buy the game and get in there an get your hands dirty to help them make it better. I mean, if you really believe in the game they're making and you've done the research, what's the issue? You were gonna buy it anyway. Except now, for your support, you get to participate in the beta and help them improve the experience. 

     

    Also... please describe how you came up with this "ratio" of 1000 to 1 for games that "fail". I'm dying to see the math there... 

  • AeonbladesAeonblades Home, GAPosts: 2,083Member
    Yes, it is stupid to charge someone for a beta, but you don't have to buy it. GW2 and several other recent releases have given companies shit ideas, but just remember, You don't have to buy it!

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  • RidelynnRidelynn Fresno, CAPosts: 4,179Member Uncommon

    If the game is fun, I'm willing to pay something for it. Beta or not.

    Now, if there is going to be a beta wipe, I'm probably not as willing to throw money at it. Just being honest, but I hate seeing character progression thrown out the window. I usually won't play much in beta if that is going to happen (low time investment) - hence, I'm not terribly willing to spend any cash investment either.


    Firefall - I like the game. Well enough to have bought a Founders pack. I hope it does well.

    As far as the model goes - I don't know. Firefall is at the point where there will be no ~huge~ changes in mechanics, it's mostly just adding content and squishing bugs, so I can understand the no beta wipe, and am perfectly fine having paid for it. There are a lot of people on all the time (even without open beta weekends), so it feels "released". I consider it "released" and B2P with free trial weekends, similar to the ArenaNet model - because that's really what it is if you think about it. Some people are lucky enough to have straight beta invites, and can get in without the Founders package, and I'm fine with that too - the Founders packs give enough cash shop cash that you can use to unlock garage slots (to keep access to different classes) to make it convenient enough to make it worth while for me, and people with free access are either limited to 2 frames at a time, or are going to pay for cash shop access themselves, so it isn't a big deal.

    However, there are a lot of variables there, and if many/any of them were different, I don't know that I would feel the same way about it.

    If there were a heavier leaning on the cash shop (or if it were P2W), I'd be turned off.
    If there were a beta wipe, I'd be turned off.
    If the mechanics weren't fun or where terribly broken, I'd be turned off.
    If the game were a ghost town, I'd be turned off.
    If the developers weren't continuing to progress with fixes and content, I'd be turned off.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon santa clara, CAPosts: 22,441Member
    Originally posted by Aeonblades
    Yes, it is stupid to charge someone for a beta, but you don't have to buy it. GW2 and several other recent releases have given companies shit ideas, but just remember, You don't have to buy it!

    It is not stupid. More power to devs if they can make money off beta.

    I wouldn't pay for a beta .. but it is a free world. It is their beta, and they can do whatever they want including charging an arm an a leg.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,221Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by cyrician

    Before this post goes sideways id like to show what i meant.

    At the end of the day a beta is exactly that a beta . I have no problem paying for full releases even ones with Subs , What the post is stating is that paying for a game you ahve never tried never even logged into should charge you $ for beta access witch manny of these Founders packs do .

    NOW i have no issue at all paying for a founders pack after i ahve tested or played the game in question if i like it.

    The thing that i object to is games that come out and say look at me come buy me even though you have no idea who or what i am or what i offer.

    Doesnt that annoy others aswell?

    Both firefall and rift people were able to play the games before the founders pack was introduced witch i have no issue with .

    And at the end of the day the Consumer is the one with the power if you dont agree with this just look at how manny mmo's fail , Ratio is arround 1000 games made 1 succeeds.

    Trion sold beta access to Storm Legion. ANet sold access to GW2.  It's just what companies are doing now and it isn't a F2P only thing.  I don't like it either, but then I don't have to buy access.

    I'm still a game tester and haven't bought access to those tests.  If a studio wants testers and I apply and get in then great.  If I don't and they want to sell access then that's their choice too.

  • JemcrystalJemcrystal Champaign, ILPosts: 1,554Member Uncommon
    I have never been charged for a beta and I wouldn't care if games did.  Free to play was a bad choice in vernacular.  It should have been called Share to play.  Nothing is truly free.
  • Ambros123Ambros123 Neverneverland, TNPosts: 877Member
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by cyrician

    Before this post goes sideways id like to show what i meant.

    At the end of the day a beta is exactly that a beta . I have no problem paying for full releases even ones with Subs , What the post is stating is that paying for a game you ahve never tried never even logged into should charge you $ for beta access witch manny of these Founders packs do .

    NOW i have no issue at all paying for a founders pack after i ahve tested or played the game in question if i like it.

    The thing that i object to is games that come out and say look at me come buy me even though you have no idea who or what i am or what i offer.

    Doesnt that annoy others aswell?

    Both firefall and rift people were able to play the games before the founders pack was introduced witch i have no issue with .

    And at the end of the day the Consumer is the one with the power if you dont agree with this just look at how manny mmo's fail , Ratio is arround 1000 games made 1 succeeds.

    Trion sold beta access to Storm Legion. ANet sold access to GW2.  It's just what companies are doing now and it isn't a F2P only thing.  I don't like it either, but then I don't have to buy access.

    I'm still a game tester and haven't bought access to those tests.  If a studio wants testers and I apply and get in then great.  If I don't and they want to sell access then that's their choice too.

    I don't recall that.  If memory serves right those who just bought the game without all the fluff still had access to the Betas, same with Rift (launch) and SWTOR.  I don't consider that selling out keys, but a thank you.  Now with Cryptic while the game is F2P but one has to shell out $60 at a minimum to get beta access, the cheap one doesn't grant access, and this is for closed beta.  They have yet to reward those that have followed the game though all the development cycles and were/are active on the forums.  Not to mention all the other closed beta weekend access are awarded to those that aren't even supporting Cryptic but belong to PWE besides the founders pack and the lifetime members of CO/STO.  Then there was the PG gamer thing which was another tactic to increase sales in a publisher.  The whoile thing reeks of greed.  At least Anet, BW, and Trion didn't sell out their customers but rewarded those that already bought the game in pre-orders.

    GW2, BW, Trion never sold closed beta keys either,  Those were given and was kept under NDA like how it's suppose to be done.

  • ArconaArcona VanlosePosts: 1,185Member
    Originally posted by cyrician

    Hello all 

     

    Now I Normaly don't chime up and I love giving new games and debs a chance but is it just me or  is this becoming common place where we are getting charged to try betas out as though we should pay money to test developers games.?

     

    Though of late I have actualy found one game I.e firefall that is very enjoyable , I was still able to play it before throwing my hard earned dollars down . I think more and more games are saying come here and pay to be testers for our games. This is actualy pointed to neverwinter but a lot are taking this stature. 

     

    So my question is isn't it a little to ask a player to throw down 59$ to be a beta tester for a game that in the end you as des should be I tiding us to play. 

     

    I know gaming is a business but I think charging for half finished games that no one has access to is a little unfair thoughts?

    Beta is just a bonus.

    Everyone can get into beta for free.

    The guranteed access is a nice bonus.

    If you look closely on the packages you really pay for the extra bag space, a mount, a companion etc

    The packs will probably exist after launch.

    I think you are a spoiled kid who wants everything for free. Wake up.

     

  • SnoepieSnoepie RotterdamPosts: 470Member
    Originally posted by cyrician

    Hello all 

     

    Now I Normaly don't chime up and I love giving new games and debs a chance but is it just me or  is this becoming common place where we are getting charged to try betas out as though we should pay money to test developers games.?

     

    Though of late I have actualy found one game I.e firefall that is very enjoyable , I was still able to play it before throwing my hard earned dollars down . I think more and more games are saying come here and pay to be testers for our games. This is actualy pointed to neverwinter but a lot are taking this stature. 

     

    So my question is isn't it a little to ask a player to throw down 59$ to be a beta tester for a game that in the end you as des should be I tiding us to play. 

     

    I know gaming is a business but I think charging for half finished games that no one has access to is a little unfair thoughts?

    As i do know now what you mean..

     

    BUT

     

    its still YOUR choice to pay yes or no..

     

    the game company decides to make some sort of plan for testing that involves money.. which is fine but..

     

    Did any game put on a knife on your throath for paying? i dont think so..

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,672Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by cyrician

    Hello all 

    Now I Normaly don't chime up and I love giving new games and debs a chance but is it just me or  is this becoming common place where we are getting charged to try betas out as though we should pay money to test developers games.?

    Though of late I have actualy found one game I.e firefall that is very enjoyable , I was still able to play it before throwing my hard earned dollars down . I think more and more games are saying come here and pay to be testers for our games. This is actualy pointed to neverwinter but a lot are taking this stature. 

    So my question is isn't it a little to ask a player to throw down 59$ to be a beta tester for a game that in the end you as des should be I tiding us to play. 

    I know gaming is a business but I think charging for half finished games that no one has access to is a little unfair thoughts?

     

    You are paying money because you want to play that half finished game that no one has access to. If you didn't, they wouldn't be charging for it because no one would pay for it. The only person to blame for this is the gamer. They control the price, not the developers.

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  • ArconaArcona VanlosePosts: 1,185Member

    if you buy a package months before the game is released you are supporting the development of the game, and its only natural you get beta as a bonus.

    If you look close on the packages you really pay for the content, bagspace, mount, extra char slots... etc

  • cyriciancyrician perthPosts: 161Member Uncommon
    Lol spoilt kid and your the one trolling and insulting people you don't know. Please be an adult and post not insulting people who have different views to you . It seems yor answer to posting on forms is to insult and call people liars cause u are insecure ?

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    Rift
    Eve online
    Firefall

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