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World of Warcraft: Why Blizzard Won't Do Full Open-Tagging

MikeBMikeB MMORPG.com Community ManagerQueens, NYPosts: 5,717Administrator Uncommon

In an interview over at GameSpy, Blizzard's lead content designer Ion Hazzikostas explains why Blizzard hasn't adopted the full open-tagging feature for World of Warcraft.

Open tagging, which has been popularized by high-profile MMOs such as RIFT and Guild Wars 2, refers to the ability to earn kill credit and experience simply for doing X% of damage to an enemy, regardless of whether or not you first tagged it. In World of Warcraft, the first player to tag an enemy gets full experience and credit, though Blizzard has made some exceptions recently for named quest targets and world bosses (tagged by your own faction).

"Part of the concern with open, free-for-all, open-tapping is that a lot of the game becomes more about tapping everything and tagging everything a little bit, especially when other players have already tapped them" he said. "Thirty seconds later, your quest completes because the other people killed them all. That's not an ideal way to feel like you're engaging in combat."

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  • frestonfreston orensePosts: 521Member
    He is really answering himself. The problem is not open world tapping or not.The problem is the lack of scalable encounters in wow. Rift an GW2 have them, and thus the question of who was the first who took the first teeny weeny bit of health off the mob is not so important
  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Niagara Falls, NYPosts: 3,437Member Uncommon
    That's true, everything in wow is designed to be easily soloed.

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  • FelixMajorFelixMajor London, ONPosts: 576Member
    The real problem with wow, is.

    Originally posted by Arskaaa
    "when players learned tacticks in dungeon/raids, its bread".

  • CelciusCelcius Franklin, TNPosts: 1,000Member Uncommon

    They are basically saying that they don't want to actually put effort into designing this kind of system so that it rewards you more for helping other people as opposed to hitting a mob and running away. I feel like Blizzard wants people to not like seeing other players around. People are just as anti-social with tagging as they are without it. Thats a pretty terrible excuse Blizzard. 

    It all boils down to this: You should like seeing other players. The old tagging system that everyone is starting to throw away except Blizzard makes you not like seeing other players. The resource gathering system currently in most MMOs is also a reason to not like seeing other players. I like how he claims that fighting over tags can lead to good player interaction. That doesn't even make any sense. I don't remember the last time I tagged a mob before someone else did and they interacted with me in a good way..or vice versa. It just does not happen. 

    This interview makes me think Blizzard likes people being jerks to eachother. I mean, I know they don't, but thats what they are encouraging by keeping dated systems like this one.

  • Heretic451Heretic451 Santa Rosa, CAPosts: 69Member

    I'm really glad you guys have come to the point where you realize it's a good thing to briefly describe the feature you're talking about as an explanation of exactly what it is (for those who didn't know). This is a step forward.

     

    However, please go ahead and re-read what you've written, as a sort of "editing" process, before posting it. After reading, "...regardless of whether or not you first tagged it or not," I had to stop.

     

    Some will see this as nit-picky, but you know, I like to be able to read an article without sighing.

     
  • azzamasinazzamasin Butler, OHPosts: 3,066Member Uncommon
    Sorriest excuse I've ever heard.  If the game wouldn't of promoted douchbaggery for the last 7+ years then they could of done something about this.  Thats OK the more blizzard falls behind on updating their game the more customers will leave.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • Rthuth434Rthuth434 uniondale, NYPosts: 346Member
    lmfao.
  • MikeBMikeB MMORPG.com Community Manager Queens, NYPosts: 5,717Administrator Uncommon
    Originally posted by Heretic451

    I'm really glad you guys have come to the point where you realize it's a good thing to briefly describe the feature you're talking about as an explanation of exactly what it is (for those who didn't know). This is a step forward.

     

    However, please go ahead and re-read what you've written, as a sort of "editing" process, before posting it. After reading, "...regardless of whether or not you first tagged it or not," I had to stop.

     

    Some will see this as nit-picky, but you know, I like to be able to read an article without sighing.

     

    Fixed. Sorry! I'm covering for our associate editor Suzie Ford (who is out sick, wish her well!) and juggling other things! :)

    Michael "MikeB" Bitton
    Community Manager
    Twitter: @eMikeB

  • XiaokiXiaoki White Pigeon, MIPosts: 2,601Member Uncommon

    In GW2 I see people with this kind of attitude.


    During events I see people doing whatever AoE they can to Tap mobs rather than focus on killing anything.


    Also, when someone is fighting a mob I see people run up attack it once then run off.


    Its probably best that Open Tagging stays in GW2.

  • Methos12Methos12 Maladis 46Posts: 1,234Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Xiaoki

    In GW2 I see people with this kind of attitude.


    During events I see people doing whatever AoE they can to Tap mobs rather than focus on killing anything.


    Also, when someone is fighting a mob I see people run up attack it once then run off.


    Its probably best that Open Tagging stays in GW2.

    You have to do X percent damage to a monster to qualify, though. Just tagging it isn't enough.

    Nature without Technology is little more than animals running about.
    Nature without Magic is without wonder or miracle.
    .........
    Magic without Technology is fantasy.
    Magic without Nature is formless and useless.
    .........
    Technology without Nature is application without understanding.
    Technology without Magic is repetitious and uninventive.
  • Rthuth434Rthuth434 uniondale, NYPosts: 346Member
    Originally posted by Xiaoki

    In GW2 I see people with this kind of attitude.


    During events I see people doing whatever AoE they can to Tap mobs rather than focus on killing anything.


    Also, when someone is fighting a mob I see people run up attack it once then run off.


    Its probably best that Open Tagging stays in GW2.

    ...hope you don't ever try to play rift, lotro or teso then.....btw tag and run is solely for geting a minimal event credit for exp/karama purposes...NOT LOOT which is what this article is about. also, many many more people in GW2 help others fight mobs throughout events and hearts and just in general in passing(and resurrect) than tag and run. it's about cooperating with a supposed ally instead of saying FUCK ME when you see another person.

     

    conversation..so overrated(and misconstrued to make a weak point). as long as you're playing together. lol, (mod edit) is the lauded conversation you want to have when seeing another player? rofl.

  • adam_noxadam_nox hays, KSPosts: 2,073Member Uncommon

    The problem is solo'ing in a massive MULTIPLAYER game.

     

    As for tagging, they could have made it so that if you attack a non-agro mob while you already have a mob tagged that they new tag replaces the old one, or the new one simply isn't tagged until the old one is dead.

     

     

  • nuttobnuttob Plantation, FLPosts: 291Member
    Besides the sub fee, this is the main reason I quit playing WOW.  Trying to farm upper level crafting nodes almost always becomes a racing game.
  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,187Member Uncommon
    I don't think Ion gets it at all.  But that's okay, it's WoW.  They can really do whatever the hell they want and their players will eat it up.  If it works for them, then good for them.
  • MikeBMikeB MMORPG.com Community Manager Queens, NYPosts: 5,717Administrator Uncommon

    FWIW, I don't necessarily agree with Blizzard's tepid approach here. Sure, open tagging isn't perfect in terms of how it's been implemented in other games, but the idea is definitely in the right direction. MMOs should always encourage playing with other people and creating a sense of anxiety when other players show up near your quest objectives is counter-intuitive to this.

    Sure, Blizzard has struck a middle ground of sorts as far as named quest objectives go, but they should really just jump in with both feet.

    Obviously, drive by tagging and gaining experience is silly, but I think committing to properly figuring this one out would be of great benefit to the game's playerbase.

    Michael "MikeB" Bitton
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  • BattlerockBattlerock Youngstown, OHPosts: 1,393Member
    I like wow just like it is, especially when you race for the tag vs opposing faction, then they get the tag, then you and the npc team up on the other player, then you finish that player off and the npc . It's wonderful.
  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,187Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MikeB

    FWIW, I don't necessarily agree with Blizzard's tepid approach here. Sure, open tagging isn't perfect in terms of how it's been implemented in other games, but the idea is definitely in the right direction. MMOs should always encourage playing with other people and creating a sense of anxiety when other players show up near your quest objectives is counter-intuitive to this.

    Sure, Blizzard has struck a middle ground of sorts as far as named quest objectives go, but they should really just jump in with both feet.

    Obviously, drive by tagging and gaining experience is silly, but I think committing to properly figuring this one out would be of great benefit to the game's playerbase.

    Open tagging isn't perfect and doesn't solve every social problem when playing overland, but you're right it does encourage people to work together.

    I think how well it starts off working can depend on the community and the game.  It will take time for a lot of players to adjust to this different sort of mentality when for so long they've been in the strictly competitive mindset.

    I've experience far less drive-by behavior in GW2 than I had in say Rift or LotRO where it was implemented as a change rather than the initial behavior.

    In a purely open ffa pvp world then this sort of mechanic also wouldn't work well, but in faction based pvp it could do wonders to lend unity and cohesion to that faction.

  • rmk70rmk70 Toronto, ONPosts: 397Member Uncommon
    It sounds like a poor excuse to warrant being lazy and not changing their boring systems... 
  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member
    Originally posted by MikeB

    FWIW, I don't necessarily agree with Blizzard's tepid approach here.

    Mike, you may not be familiar with how forums work. All right or all wrong (and you'll be deeply offended by what the company chooses, either way).

    Forums don't do well with shades of gray.

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • OzmodanOzmodan Hilliard, OHPosts: 7,181Member Uncommon
    Personally I do not like Open-Tagging.  Of course, if you have a sand box it is non existent.   If you are in a group, everyone should get experience for the kill and I am pretty sure most MMO's do that.
  • Xstatic912Xstatic912 New York, NYPosts: 365Member
    I know many person on my server that would use said tactic..

    It's goes back to the age old problem, why can't someone help you kill something without reward or incentive attached?
  • Xstatic912Xstatic912 New York, NYPosts: 365Member
    I don't need this in wow, no thanks.. no need to follow more stuff from other games
  • NikopolNikopol The ZonePosts: 626Member Uncommon

    I'm not really fond of open-tagging. And I don't necessarily agree "you should like seeing other people", either. Like should be earned.

     

  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid hell, NJPosts: 6,757Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Xstatic912
    I don't need this in wow, no thanks.. no need to follow more stuff from other games

    they adding jumping puzzles and some lvl scale pvp so.... but yeah, i would like to see sharing gathering resources and quest mobs / objectives within the same faction. Nothing else.

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  • Br3akingDawnBr3akingDawn a City, CAPosts: 1,356Member Uncommon

    Thank you blizz for not doing the open full-taggin. If I want to play a game that does I go play something like say GW2. After awhile it just gets annoying when people just jump in to "help" kill a mob or a couple of mobs when you can handle it yourself. Stop trying to KS foos!!!

     

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