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  • ChramChram sigilPosts: 91Member
    Originally posted by raww
    Originally posted by Niburu
    Originally posted by raww

    Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance and Champions of Norrath were some of the most polished single player ARPGs I ever played. Loved all of the various sequels. They fit the definition of the genre perfectly. Instead of just commenting about how you are right and everyone else is not, why not take a moment and explain to us what genre you feel they belong in.

    Nice try but you said Baldurs Gate and this is a RPG for PC released on 21. December 1998.

    Lol "nice try", as if I'm trying to trick someone or as if it's a total coincidence that the Baldur's Gate ARPGs exist. Those are the ones I own and meant from the beginning. Okay, I could have specified that. I am okay with it if you can't accept that.  Reminding myself not to feed the trolls & fanbois now.

    My point remains, THIS game, Path of Exile, is an ARPG that is not executed very well.

    You are still comparing apples and oranges. It doesn't matter how you call the genre - ARPG, hack'n'slash or Diablo-like. We are talking about the type of games being produced after Diablo I such as Sacred 1 + 2, Titan Quest, Torchlight, Dungeon Siege (Diablo II being the uncrowned king) that all scratch the same itch and have a loyal gamer following - but which are also totally different from games like BG or Planescape: Torment. 

    PoE came from people who played and loved Diablo II to death and couldn't find a game that played similary, was equally or more complex and was built using modern tech. So they made their own. This is also the reason why many hardcore Diablo II vets are so raving about PoE - Diablo III just strayed too far from the Diablo-like formula for many of them.

    You may not like the repetitive grinding gameplay of the Diablo-likes and thats fine, just understand that for some people a game like this after the Diablo III dissapointment is like mana from heaven.

    (http://www.squidoo.com/games-like-diablo)

    (http://www.alteredgamer.com/diablo/125780-best-clones-series/)

  • rawwraww Media, PAPosts: 26Member
    Originally posted by n00bit
    Originally posted by raww
    Originally posted by Niburu
    Originally posted by raww

    This one gets the award for overhyped game of the month. After a couple of days in open beta, I keep asking myself what the big deal is?  This is nowhere near as fun as ARPG classics like Baldur's gate. More than that, this is just plain boring, and I am not that picky. The combat was boring and repetitive after 24 hours, max. There is a redundant drab color scheme which makes it difficult to see what you're doing or where you're walking, an awfully inaccurate eyesore minimap, and everything in the game just kind of looks blurred together to me.  

    The best thing this game seems to have going for it in the eyes of the community is that its NOT Diablo 3. That's all anyone talks about. It's not Diablo 3. It seems to me that people were so burned by Diablo 3, that the first ARPG that came along afterwards was going to be screamed from the rooftops, just to relieve a little of the pain caused by Diablo 3. I would honestly prefer Diablo 3 over this game, not that I want to play either of them.

    Not bad for a F2P game, but for me it was just plain boring.

    stopped reading when you said Baldurs Gate is an ARPG, wtf.

    Read abit about game genres before you comment anything.

    You might want to take your own advice. If you checked Wikipedia for "Action RPG" you would have seen:

    "Action role-playing games (abbreviated action RPGaction/RPG, or ARPG) form a loosely defined sub-genre of role-playing video games that incorporate elements of action or action-adventure games, emphasizing real-time action where the player has direct control over characters, instead of turn-based or menu-based combat. These games often use combat systems similar to hack and slash or shooter games."

    Baldur's Gate is even listed on the page. :) Guess I can keep posting, huh!

    Not that I approve of his rudeness, but Baldur's Gate and its ilk are pretty much turn-based RPG's with a bit more freedom of movement. Yes, you can move your characters in real-time, but combat still comes down to turns. I did greatly enjoy them, but as far as people referring to ARPG's nowadays, I would not include those in the general definition. I'd consider the genre to be cRPG (as listed on the game's website).

    Thanks for the civil response!  I do realize now that I should have specified that I was referring to the Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance and Champions of Norrath variants, which are a series of (at least) four ARPGs from the 2000s for ps2.

    Moo

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member
    Originally posted by Niburu
    Originally posted by raww

    Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance and Champions of Norrath were some of the most polished single player ARPGs I ever played. Loved all of the various sequels. They fit the definition of the genre perfectly. Instead of just commenting about how you are right and everyone else is not, why not take a moment and explain to us what genre you feel they belong in.

    Nice try but you said Baldurs Gate and this is a RPG for PC released on 21. December 1998.

    You and others are mistaking Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance for Baldurs Gate. 

    Dark Alliance was a gauntlet style APRG released for the PS2 in 2001. Its not like the Baldurs Gate RPG's, its a different style of game all together. 

  • NiburuNiburu BerlinPosts: 378Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    Originally posted by Niburu
    Originally posted by raww

    Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance and Champions of Norrath were some of the most polished single player ARPGs I ever played. Loved all of the various sequels. They fit the definition of the genre perfectly. Instead of just commenting about how you are right and everyone else is not, why not take a moment and explain to us what genre you feel they belong in.

    Nice try but you said Baldurs Gate and this is a RPG for PC released on 21. December 1998.

    You and others are mistaking Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance for Baldurs Gate. 

    Dark Alliance was a gauntlet style APRG released for the PS2 in 2001. Its not like the Baldurs Gate RPG's, its a different style of game all together. 

    I'am well aware of those games but the guy i was quoting said Baldur Gate and nothing else. He made a mistake thats lead to my response. Simple, you should read more carefully

  • NC-JohnNC-John burlington, WIPosts: 113Member
    I'm still waiting in-line. but when someone is popping a tent this early and only a beta i'm dying to get in and give it a go.

    "Not even a cray super computer can make this game run well. Thats what happens when you code an MMO in pascal. " - miglor

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member
    Originally posted by Niburu
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    Originally posted by Niburu
    Originally posted by raww

    Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance and Champions of Norrath were some of the most polished single player ARPGs I ever played. Loved all of the various sequels. They fit the definition of the genre perfectly. Instead of just commenting about how you are right and everyone else is not, why not take a moment and explain to us what genre you feel they belong in.

    Nice try but you said Baldurs Gate and this is a RPG for PC released on 21. December 1998.

    You and others are mistaking Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance for Baldurs Gate. 

    Dark Alliance was a gauntlet style APRG released for the PS2 in 2001. Its not like the Baldurs Gate RPG's, its a different style of game all together. 

    I'am well aware of those games but the guy i was quoting said Baldur Gate and nothing else. He made a mistake thats lead to my response. Simple, you should read more carefully

    A poster shortly after said Baulders Gate Dark Alliance and you simply continued on, not only that if you really did know about those games the assumption would have been that those were the games he was reffering to and not the RPG games. Unless of course you were attempting to troll him, then you would have ignored knowing about those games and keep on going as if he were reffering to the RPG without ever asking or correcting. 

     

    I did read carefully :) 

     

  • HeroEvermoreHeroEvermore salem, ORPosts: 672Member
    Still loving the heck out of this game. Ive put in 1 day and 12 hours and i feel like ive barely scratched the surface. Sure enjoying the shiny loots!!!!! ROAR!

    Hero Evermore
    Guild Master of Dragonspine since 1982.
    Playing Path of Exile and deeply in love with it.

  • n00bitn00bit rochester hills, MIPosts: 343Member
    Originally posted by raww
    Originally posted by n00bit
    Originally posted by raww
    Originally posted by Niburu
    Originally posted by raww

    This one gets the award for overhyped game of the month. After a couple of days in open beta, I keep asking myself what the big deal is?  This is nowhere near as fun as ARPG classics like Baldur's gate. More than that, this is just plain boring, and I am not that picky. The combat was boring and repetitive after 24 hours, max. There is a redundant drab color scheme which makes it difficult to see what you're doing or where you're walking, an awfully inaccurate eyesore minimap, and everything in the game just kind of looks blurred together to me.  

    The best thing this game seems to have going for it in the eyes of the community is that its NOT Diablo 3. That's all anyone talks about. It's not Diablo 3. It seems to me that people were so burned by Diablo 3, that the first ARPG that came along afterwards was going to be screamed from the rooftops, just to relieve a little of the pain caused by Diablo 3. I would honestly prefer Diablo 3 over this game, not that I want to play either of them.

    Not bad for a F2P game, but for me it was just plain boring.

    stopped reading when you said Baldurs Gate is an ARPG, wtf.

    Read abit about game genres before you comment anything.

    You might want to take your own advice. If you checked Wikipedia for "Action RPG" you would have seen:

    "Action role-playing games (abbreviated action RPGaction/RPG, or ARPG) form a loosely defined sub-genre of role-playing video games that incorporate elements of action or action-adventure games, emphasizing real-time action where the player has direct control over characters, instead of turn-based or menu-based combat. These games often use combat systems similar to hack and slash or shooter games."

    Baldur's Gate is even listed on the page. :) Guess I can keep posting, huh!

    Not that I approve of his rudeness, but Baldur's Gate and its ilk are pretty much turn-based RPG's with a bit more freedom of movement. Yes, you can move your characters in real-time, but combat still comes down to turns. I did greatly enjoy them, but as far as people referring to ARPG's nowadays, I would not include those in the general definition. I'd consider the genre to be cRPG (as listed on the game's website).

    Thanks for the civil response!  I do realize now that I should have specified that I was referring to the Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance and Champions of Norrath variants, which are a series of (at least) four ARPGs from the 2000s for ps2.

    May have to load up my emulator and check them out then; wasn't aware something like that existed. I do love the Baldur's Gate world.

  • catlanacatlana Houston, TXPosts: 1,677Member
    Originally posted by HeroEvermore
    Still loving the heck out of this game. Ive put in 1 day and 12 hours and i feel like ive barely scratched the surface. Sure enjoying the shiny loots!!!!! ROAR!

    I just got started in PoE. I have been enjoying the game quite a bit so far. I am hoping the game remains as much fun at higher levels.

  • SidadSidad Hamilton, ONPosts: 49Member
    Love this game. Hope they keep up the good work.
  • StacksguardStacksguard Austin, TXPosts: 4Member
    i agree the game is amazing.
  • ShodanasShodanas PatrasPosts: 896Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by raww
    Originally posted by Niburu
    Originally posted by raww

    This one gets the award for overhyped game of the month. After a couple of days in open beta, I keep asking myself what the big deal is?  This is nowhere near as fun as ARPG classics like Baldur's gate. More than that, this is just plain boring, and I am not that picky. The combat was boring and repetitive after 24 hours, max. There is a redundant drab color scheme which makes it difficult to see what you're doing or where you're walking, an awfully inaccurate eyesore minimap, and everything in the game just kind of looks blurred together to me.  

    The best thing this game seems to have going for it in the eyes of the community is that its NOT Diablo 3. That's all anyone talks about. It's not Diablo 3. It seems to me that people were so burned by Diablo 3, that the first ARPG that came along afterwards was going to be screamed from the rooftops, just to relieve a little of the pain caused by Diablo 3. I would honestly prefer Diablo 3 over this game, not that I want to play either of them.

    Not bad for a F2P game, but for me it was just plain boring.

    stopped reading when you said Baldurs Gate is an ARPG, wtf.

    Read abit about game genres before you comment anything.

    You might want to take your own advice. If you checked Wikipedia for "Action RPG" you would have seen:

    "Action role-playing games (abbreviated action RPGaction/RPG, or ARPG) form a loosely defined sub-genre of role-playing video games that incorporate elements of action or action-adventure games, emphasizing real-time action where the player has direct control over characters, instead of turn-based or menu-based combat. These games often use combat systems similar to hack and slash or shooter games."

    Baldur's Gate is even listed on the page. :) Guess I can keep posting, huh!

    Obviously they refer to Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance, that shity action / hack&slash rpg released, thankfully, only on consoles some years back. The real Baldurs Gate games (1 and 2) are pc exclusive with the second being considered as the pinnacle of party based RPG's and rightfully so. And of course they both are light years away from their console cousin and furthermore from hack and slash or shooter games.

  • SidadSidad Hamilton, ONPosts: 49Member
    Wonder why all votes for PoE are gone? It had really high rating if Im not mistaken and now is 0 !?
  • HeroEvermoreHeroEvermore salem, ORPosts: 672Member
    Originally posted by catlana
    Originally posted by HeroEvermore
    Still loving the heck out of this game. Ive put in 1 day and 12 hours and i feel like ive barely scratched the surface. Sure enjoying the shiny loots!!!!! ROAR!

    I just got started in PoE. I have been enjoying the game quite a bit so far. I am hoping the game remains as much fun at higher levels.

    Only gets more fun. I die all the time now. It is very challenging and exciting! lol!

    Hero Evermore
    Guild Master of Dragonspine since 1982.
    Playing Path of Exile and deeply in love with it.

  • VhalnVhaln Chicago, ILPosts: 3,159Member
    I only just started with the game going into open beta, and I'm having a lot more fun than I expected.  IMHO, much better than any other recent ARPG.  Probably even more addictive than D2.   I'm not a huge fan of ARPGs though, I always think about how much better it'd be, if it had the same exact gameplay, but in a more over-the-shoulder perspective.

    When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  • HeroEvermoreHeroEvermore salem, ORPosts: 672Member

    This game is still enthralling me on a minutely basis. Do not get me wrong im only lvl 50 but when I have the time. goodness gracious. Its just a joy.

    No hype.

    No hooplah.

    Pure love.

    Gaming is good.

    Hero Evermore
    Guild Master of Dragonspine since 1982.
    Playing Path of Exile and deeply in love with it.

  • TwoThreeFourTwoThreeFour Virginia, VAPosts: 2,131Member
    I hate how there doesn't seem to be any WASD movement for this game. I read the answer presented in an interview and realize that they don't believe it is possible without sacrificing other aspects, but for me it is a deal breaker. I dont want to click a lot constantly in a game that is very much based on action, I prefer having the strain spread out among different parts of the hands .
  • HeroEvermoreHeroEvermore salem, ORPosts: 672Member
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    I hate how there doesn't seem to be any WASD movement for this game. I read the answer presented in an interview and realize that they don't believe it is possible without sacrificing other aspects, but for me it is a deal breaker. I dont want to click a lot constantly in a game that is very much based on action, I prefer having the strain spread out among different parts of the hands .

    This is usually a deal breaker for me also but ive played plenty of games with this play style and its so worth it. I like the controls on this game 100000000x better then any MOBA, so thats good for me at least :D

    Hero Evermore
    Guild Master of Dragonspine since 1982.
    Playing Path of Exile and deeply in love with it.

  • Zeus.CMZeus.CM ZagrebPosts: 1,788Member
    Hello, I'm currently interested in trying out this game because it's free. Since this is not an mmo, what's its business model? I presume some kind of cash shop? What they offer in it?
  • HeroEvermoreHeroEvermore salem, ORPosts: 672Member
    They offer glowy hats and weapon glows and some pets. Also extra character slots (you already start with plenty, 24). It truly is 100% free to play with no pay to win what-so-ever. Hope you enjoy it like the other 250k of us playing daily lol

    Hero Evermore
    Guild Master of Dragonspine since 1982.
    Playing Path of Exile and deeply in love with it.

  • Zeus.CMZeus.CM ZagrebPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by HeroEvermore
    They offer glowy hats and weapon glows and some pets. Also extra character slots (you already start with plenty, 24). It truly is 100% free to play with no pay to win what-so-ever. Hope you enjoy it like the other 250k of us playing daily lol

    That's an awesome deal. I'll download this today! :)

  • HeroEvermoreHeroEvermore salem, ORPosts: 672Member
    Have fun building a unique character! Thats what its all about! Love the skill tree. I truly have just free styled it and I am loving the outcome!

    Hero Evermore
    Guild Master of Dragonspine since 1982.
    Playing Path of Exile and deeply in love with it.

  • Zeus.CMZeus.CM ZagrebPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by HeroEvermore
    Have fun building a unique character! Thats what its all about! Love the skill tree. I truly have just free styled it and I am loving the outcome!

    Yeah! I saw it in some preview video on youtube and I was blown away of how many posibilities there are.

  • MurlockDanceMurlockDance ParisPosts: 1,223Member

    As a big fan of ARPGs, I will most likely give this a shot. Only problem is, I am not sure I *need* another addictive game at the moment image

    Currently playing WoW, ToR, TL2 and a bit of GW2 here and there.

    Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

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  • MuppetierMuppetier SouthamptonPosts: 277Member

    Gender locked classes

     

    No character customisation

     

    Server crashes that cause an entire dungeon to respawn just as you are about to get to the last boss. No offline mode to get round this.

     

    Grouping mechanics that have not advanced in ten years

     

    But enjoyable and challenging gameplay with good looking,dark and atmospheric dungeons. Interesting itemisation and skill tree.

     

    Well worth trying.

     

     

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