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What you think of my MMORPG?

ArChWindArChWind Some Place, WIPosts: 1,220Member Uncommon

Hey all,

I just threw this together this last couple days.

I would run off to KS and start a big campaign but I would rather wait awhile. Besides I haven't decided if this engine is good enough to make a MMO yet. I mean only 2 days ago it was just a flat surface and some idea. Not like aI spent 9 years writing documentation this time. I am just on the fly making shit up as I go.

And there is also the big question am I really a developer or just some guy with a good notepad and video program and some far fetched dream to make a large open world with nothing but terrain. I mean I though about PvP and Monsters and maybe some crafting and housing but then I gotta get it out fast!

Hey it takes a lot of work to make my own stuff by myself but at least it gets done eventually well maybe eventually.

well give it a vote.

 

 

 

 

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  • darker70darker70 stokePosts: 803Member Uncommon

    Why so negative wish I could do something like that looks pretty neat to me considering you just knocked it up.image

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  • ArChWindArChWind Some Place, WIPosts: 1,220Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by darker70
    Why so negative wish I could do something like that looks pretty neat to me considering you just knocked it up.image

    A satire maybe? I am a masochist? Maybe it is is the over whealing responses that proved the point? 

  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownPosts: 3,452Member Uncommon
    Why have you created a world? Lobby only games are the future, there are over 8000 posts on the subject on this site alone.
  • ArChWindArChWind Some Place, WIPosts: 1,220Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by RefMinor
    Why have you created a world? Lobby only games are the future, there are over 8000 posts on the subject on this site alone.

     What was I thinking? Just another reason it sucks.

  • ZairuZairu Portland, ORPosts: 469Member

    lol that i can't vote without saying it sucks.

    looks pretty impressive to me, for only 2 days

    but what do i know...

  • ArChWindArChWind Some Place, WIPosts: 1,220Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Zairu
    lol that i can't vote without saying it sucks. looks pretty impressive to me, for only 2 days but what do i know...

     just admit it sucks by voting, :)

  • mmoskimmoski plymouthPosts: 282Member

    See now this is the issue, add some particles, make the land look prettier (foliage + trees), add some static (position) creatures animating, even make a rudimentary combat system, get some people to play or stand around chatting, viola, hit Kick Starter, gets monies, run out of monies never finish project, or make new Kick Starter for more monies.

     

    Worked for  Pathfinder (though pathfinder has a list of awesome game dev's), Greed Monger. (I'm not saying these won't be completed or be good). What I am saying is, this is a issue with Kick Starter and the potential it provides to scam people.

    Pretty good for a few days messing around in a game engine though.

  • ArChWindArChWind Some Place, WIPosts: 1,220Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mmoski
    See now this is the issue, add some particles, make the land look prettier (foliage + trees), add some static (position) creatures animating, even make a rudimentary combat system, get some people to play or stand around chatting, viola, hit Kick Starter, gets monies, run out of monies never finish project, or make new Kick Starter for more monies.   Worked for  Pathfinder (though pathfinder has a list of awesome game dev's), Greed Monger. (I'm not saying these won't be completed or be good). What I am saying is, this is a issue with Kick Starter and the potential it provides to scam people. Pretty good for a few days messing around in a game engine though.

     Well someone finally got the point I was trying to make.

    Sorry no KS for this one and yeah I am for real building it. I will update this sometime in Feb with some changes and maybe even the server. :)

    Hopeful that Feb will make it not suck so bad. hehe

     

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 14,247Member Rare
    Originally posted by Zairu
    lol that i can't vote without saying it sucks. looks pretty impressive to me, for only 2 days but what do i know...

    Anyone can create that in two days with a lot of the engines and kits that are out now. ArChWind presents a very valid point about these Kickstarter projects and the way people buy into them like they are the second coming despite most of them being little more than what ArCh created.

     

    EDIT: I read further down and saw that you plan on expanding that. Good luck with the project, ArCh. Keep us posted on how it goes!

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • ArChWindArChWind Some Place, WIPosts: 1,220Member Uncommon

    Thought I would say this here in public.

     

    I been around this MMO making business now as a serious (even that is questionable) hobbyist for some 11 years. I came into this circle and another circle thinking I was right and knew it all at which a few others may have been rubbed the wrong way but it was all for the good in the end. Sure I have 29 years of computer programming and can program in four languages and 12 years of live real time data systems but I lack to many needed skills that is is not even funny to be called more than a hobbyist in this business. Building a large complex system of complex systems is a major undertaking but it is still doable although it takes a LOT of time or a LOT of money and sometimes a LOT of both.

     

    After my team fell apart the first time I sat back and looked at the picture but still had this arrogant attitude and that know it all of my design which one member here called me on it. As time progressed I realized the mistakes I made and declared my future of MMO development a disaster which was my own fault. Yeah, I pissed on a lot of top dogs including major television studios and publishers and game developers.

     

    Now with that said I decided that I would wise up. The reasons I never had or will ever have a website is to keep the thing under radar while I work on it. Until it is fully functional there is little reason what so ever to even make it public but I was just trying to make a point that people tend to believe to much in what they see which Lok here saw that I was driving a point. The probability of getting more than a basic building block of the design will still take years so the time this would get released, MMORPGs may well be history. SO.. no it is probably not going to be a published game but I like to dream it will be my MOVW.

     

    Another thing is Kickstarter is just a very bad idea unless you have a complete working model that you can put out the final product in a matter of a few months. The reason is that most of these projects are running at the level I did in the past so keep in mind they most likely will fail.

     

    There are only a few Kickstarter project I see that have a good chance of making it but the rest are a lost cause simply because they are not realistic in the goals, using the wrong engine for those goals or making some variant copy of what a AAA publishers already has released.

     

    Take it with a grain of salt but it is true.

     

    I will not be making much more available in the future just a look here what sucks and that is why I choose to post in the board. Not to many come here so it is a good place to get a little feedback if it sucks or doesn’t suck as much as it sucked before. :) Also maybe pick up a few good peeps that really want to make a VR not some goddamn game.

  • mmoskimmoski plymouthPosts: 282Member
    Originally posted by ArChWind

    I been around this MMO making business now ~ snipp

    Like you, I class myself as a hobbyist(not an "indy developer" as some KS bs claim "cough cough" greed monger ), I'm not releasing information about my game (goddamn game, as you put it, heh) until I have all the frame work completed and a functional working technical demo (alpha/beta) that possible kick-starter backers can play, this will allow them to decide and visualise what the game is to more clearly choose to back the project or not.

    I too have been around a while ;) , it's nice to know you have the confidence to carry on, since you seem to be a bit hard on yourself, and maybe over time you have become more humble. You can't please all of the people, all of the time.

    But your right in most cases with the kick-starter, while I don't claim this or that kick-starter will succeed or fail, the potential success of one can be judged from scrutinising the developers, their previous projects or even their ability, you could even put a % success rate to them. And really things like engine changes are not that major early on (semi dependent on what they have built with) or if the team has the ability.

    So good luck on your project, and have a second thought about a website when it's the right time, think of it as a developer diary, it's good to track your progress during development and allows you to iterate on your design as well as allowing potential players/users to see what you are doing.

  • KenFisherKenFisher Northwest, INPosts: 5,035Member Uncommon

    Terrain texturing is nice and tight, movement seemed fluid, lighting looked good.

     


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  • KenFisherKenFisher Northwest, INPosts: 5,035Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by RefMinor
    Why have you created a world? Lobby only games are the future, there are over 8000 posts on the subject on this site alone.

     

    All from the same three people :-)

     

    @OP pardon the off-topic.  So, are you going to share which engine you're working with?  I know for sure it's not Torque... it can't do a terrain that size and still have decent textures, plus you've got a working RPG UI :-)


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  • mmoskimmoski plymouthPosts: 282Member
    Originally posted by XAPGames
    Originally posted by RefMinor
    Why have you created a world? Lobby only games are the future, there are over 8000 posts on the subject on this site alone.

     

    All from the same three people :-)

     

    @OP pardon the off-topic.  So, are you going to share which engine you're working with?  I know for sure it's not Torque... it can't do a terrain that size and still have decent textures, plus you've got a working RPG UI :-)

    I think its bigworld, bottom right corner in the vid.

  • tom_goretom_gore TamperePosts: 1,977Member Uncommon
    Want advice? Forget Kickstarter. Go the Minecraft way. Create a playable alpha that's fun to fiddle with. Then stay selling access for a few bucks apiece and keep developing.
  • mmoskimmoski plymouthPosts: 282Member
    Originally posted by tom_gore
    Want advice? Forget Kickstarter. Go the Minecraft way. Create a playable alpha that's fun to fiddle with. Then stay selling access for a few bucks apiece and keep developing.

    I personally think both are applicable, and could net a title more development funding. The nice thing about having a beta is its playable, so lets take a look at what minecraft did, a playable game you backed by purchase, but say we go back in time and minecraft was purchasable in beta release, but also had a kickstarter which gave perks to additional backing, good for the game developer and good for the backers.

  • MarcelinoMarcelino BlackburnPosts: 121Member Uncommon

    Have you created the graphics / coded the game from scratch?

     

    If so this is amazing!! I wish I could learn how to create something like this!!

  • ArChWindArChWind Some Place, WIPosts: 1,220Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by XAPGames
    Originally posted by RefMinor
    Why have you created a world? Lobby only games are the future, there are over 8000 posts on the subject on this site alone.

     

    All from the same three people :-)

     

    @OP pardon the off-topic.  So, are you going to share which engine you're working with?  I know for sure it's not Torque... it can't do a terrain that size and still have decent textures, plus you've got a working RPG UI :-)

     It is Bigworlds. I keep recommending it to you for WAC. I know, I know it does not have source but you can make your game and if successful, buy the source.

    BTW - WAC will port fairly easy since it is python driven engine. if you don't have Max or Maya and have to do some model fixing the collada exporter does work once you get it tweaked.

     

  • bunnyhopperbunnyhopper LondonPosts: 2,751Member Common
    Originally posted by RefMinor
    Why have you created a world? Lobby only games are the future, there are over 8000 posts on the subject on this site alone.

    Aye, with pretty much all of them started by (and for the main part consisting of posts from) the same user.

    "Come and have a look at what you could have won."

  • darkhalf357xdarkhalf357x Brooklyn, NYPosts: 1,167Member Uncommon

    I thought it was good. Also agree to remove the negativity.  Part of turning a dream into reality is confidence and belief in what you are doing.  It doesnt matter if you did it on the fly or not. What matters is how much time you invest in making it the best MMO you can imagine.

    What kills other MMOs is politics.  Trying to get something (money) back from the effort invested.  Ask yourself this.  What would you want to put in this world?  And I wouldnt depend on a 'community' to do it for you.  We'll just pull you in 800 different directions as we all have different wants.  Add things YOU think would be important and start there.

    You'll need to develop a concept and write some lore.  That can easily take years depending how far you want to take it.  Understanding the farther you take it the more immersive the world can be. 

    I say keep going.  Dont rush it.  Make it a labor of love.

    Good luck.

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  • ArChWindArChWind Some Place, WIPosts: 1,220Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by darkhalf357x
    I thought it was good. Also agree to remove the negativity.  Part of turning a dream into reality is confidence and belief in what you are doing.  It doesnt matter if you did it on the fly or not. What matters is how much time you invest in making it the best MMO you can imagine. I have many things that make me negative about Whren but I won't cry on your shoulder or anyone elses shoulder. :) This world as it is here was bult in a big rush so yes, it is crap. It is  just thrown together in a matter of a couple hours at the keyboard. Stay tuned for part two and you will agree (at least I would hope) that the world improved dramaticlly in look and feel. What kills other MMOs is politics.  Trying to get something (money) back from the effort invested.  Ask yourself this.  What would you want to put in this world?  And I wouldnt depend on a 'community' to do it for you.  We'll just pull you in 800 different directions as we all have different wants.  Add things YOU think would be important and start there. I know all about those dollar signs.  Lot of saddness to say the least. I know exactly what I want in this world just not saying it at the moment. You'll need to develop a concept and write some lore.  That can easily take years depending how far you want to take it.  Understanding the farther you take it the more immersive the world can be.  I had a writer and a ton of history with lore. I am not a writer. Do you want to finish it? No one else will without paying them.  I say keep going.  Dont rush it.  Make it a labor of love. It is a labor of love.

    Good luck.

    Thanks

     

  • KenFisherKenFisher Northwest, INPosts: 5,035Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ArChWind
     

     It is Bigworlds. I keep recommending it to you for WAC. I know, I know it does not have source but you can make your game and if successful, buy the source.

     

    I haven't done any serious attempts at looking into other engines for a potential port, with the exception of different Torque versions.

     

    One question about BW.  How are multiple physical servers handled as far as setting up a server cluster for a single realm?  Can the binary version do that out of the box?

     


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  • ArChWindArChWind Some Place, WIPosts: 1,220Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by XAPGames
    Originally posted by ArChWind
     

     It is Bigworlds. I keep recommending it to you for WAC. I know, I know it does not have source but you can make your game and if successful, buy the source.

     

    I haven't done any serious attempts at looking into other engines for a potential port, with the exception of different Torque versions.

     

    One question about BW.  How are multiple physical servers handled as far as setting up a server cluster for a single realm?  Can the binary version do that out of the box?

     

    I installed on a VM on my box to test with but my HD took a shit in July. I was running the demo on one core. It uses Linux CentOS 5.0 or Redhat 5 64 bit. The demo is one CellApp so the warning was given about server lagg but I never experienced lagg well just me hehe.

    The ratio between concurrent connections and CellApps Cores ranges between 100:1 and 300:1.

    Depends on what you intend to do here. This is cell apps and does not include enterprise stuff. At least one core for login and two cores for MySQL.

    I am rebuilding Whren at 13KM square with expandablity in mind up to 78KM SQ. 13 KM Whren would require 10 cores for 3000 CCU and maybe 5 cores for for server side stuff.

    Nice thing about this is if you want more CCU in a single world just throw in more cores. Since the server is 64 Bit and you can buy a cheap server to start then use a blade when things get up and running at release.

    BTW - War Gamming built World of Tanks on indie. They bought BWT for 45 Milion to keep from paying royalties. They set a world record with 93,000+ CCU on a single world with this engine.

     

    edit -

    Assuming a 3:1 ratio between CellApps and BaseApps and taking 8 cores extra for other processes including the MySQL server, The number of cores required to support 5000 concurrent users ranges between 30 and 74. If using 4 cores machines this ranges between 8 and 19 machines.

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 14,247Member Rare
    Originally posted by ArChWind

    I am rebuilding Whren...

    The return of Whren!  I thought you had dropped off the face of the earth, Demi. Good to see you still around.

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • ArChWindArChWind Some Place, WIPosts: 1,220Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by ArChWind

    I am rebuilding Whren...

    The return of Whren!  I thought you had dropped off the face of the earth, Demi. Good to see you still around.

     Thanks I thought you knew. Yeah I returned.

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