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GW2: The most influential mmorpg of 2012

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  • Trudge34Trudge34 Stevens Point, WIPosts: 392Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Torgrim
    Originally posted by Trudge34

    Most influential of 2012, yeah no doubt. Wasn't really a whole lot of competition for it though either that year...

     2010 and 2011 Aswell.

    Hell I would go as far back as 2007.

    Yeah no arguement there. It's sad really. I've been looking for another game to replace that EQ experience I had, but have not found anything since I quit in 2005.  GW2 has been the only game to continually pull me in to keep playing. We'll see how long that lasts but so far so good. 

    Think having an interest in it already having played GW1, being excited that it wasn't all instanced up like the last and having modified expectations due to no sub, has helped me enjoy it a lot more than I was expecting. Knew it was going to be a game I could take a few breaks from here and there and not really fall behind in progression or anything. It's been a good change of pace game that I'm really enjoying. Still looking for that world to live in, but GW2 will be my game for quite a while yet I think.

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  • GorillaGorilla Posts: 2,202Member Uncommon

    You don't have to offer anything new, unique, or revolutionary to be most influential. Just saying. The 100lb gorilla has been massively influential in the past (and not all in a good way).

    I guess it probablly was. There is a lot of stuff that is pretty neat. I should say I rather like it too though only play occasionally, but that's not the point. 

     

  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Common
    Originally posted by Myria

    For that matter, how is it that GW2 "invented" B2P or the lack of a trinity? Neither were remotely new to gaming in general or MMOs in particular. And DE's, is anyone really claiming they're significantly different from WAR's or Rift's versions anymore?

    i agree that B2P has been around for ages -- any online game, altho I dont know of any mmorpg that was b2p

     

    regarding no trinity in mmos, i dont know

    but i cant think of any mmo that had no fighter taunt / threat

    -- which is essential for tanks keeping aggro

  • AutemOxAutemOx Fullerton, CAPosts: 1,704Member
    Originally posted by DamonVile
    Originally posted by wormywyrm
    Also in response to some of the posts poking fun at the term 'influential'...  Do you really expect other games to copy GW2 already?  GW2 was only released a few months ago.  I doubt any big games made in 2012 already have been copied.  I interpret influential in reference to a year that just recently ended as meaning setting the bar, being recognized as a quality game, and the possibility of more in the future.

    Yeah I was wondering how long people think a game takes to be made. It's like people think these games are made over the weekend....some may seem like it but... It's years too soon to expect to see a gw2 clone.

    And I can't really see why people think their doing away with the trinity system was such a massive improvment. My experiance was they did away with people having a "job" and added the mass zerg rez the guy next to you system. As long as you could rez people faster than the boss was taking them down you'd win!

    Not really what I'd call inovative.

     Yes GW2 is a completely softcore mmo with almost no death penalty at all.  Most bosses you can waypoint and run back as long as someone keeps them aggroed the boss will not heal.  I have done almost all the dungeons except the last couple and some are 'hard' in the sense that we die over and over, but there is really no chance that we would be unable to finish the dungeon unless someone leaves the group.

    That is what it is, really.  A matter of preference not strongly indicative of the gameplay mechanics.  I've loved games like diablo 2 hardcore mode and realm of the mad god.  But in the end when it comes time to choose a game to play with my girlfriend and friends something soft like GW2 just works better.

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  • vandal5627vandal5627 Jersey City, NJPosts: 586Member Uncommon
    I think the OP sees ESO getting all the attention so he's trying to get some traffic for GW2 so it can ba back on top again. :)
  • kadepsysonkadepsyson sun prairie, WIPosts: 1,937Member

    WoW has more subscribers than GW2 ever will.

    GW2 influenced me to quit.

     

    What has it influenced though, exactly?  I mean it just doesn't make sense to use that word.  Perhaps if it had the most awards, you could say most decorated.  Or if it had the most financial success, or highest critical reviews, or anything you could have measured and written about.

    But influential?  That is too early to say by far, so in other words, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on.

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  • XsonicXsonic Houston, TXPosts: 93Member
    Hmmm didn't see any influence to the games I play at least. LOL
  • TolmosTolmos North, FLPosts: 135Member Common
    Originally posted by kadepsyson

    WoW has more subscribers than GW2 ever will.

    And thus the reason WoW influenced Guild Wars 2, as opposed to Guild Wars 1 influencing it. Might as well follow in the footsteps of the giant, I suppose, and hope to pick up some of their members.

     

    Guild Wars 1: Stat plateau, BiS gear ASAP with grinding for looks only, expansions don’t add gear or levels so your character remains viable for all content in the game, guild battles

    WoW: Stat progression, BiS gear takes unbelievable amount of grind, expansions add levels and start your gear grind from scratch so if you are away for a year you are no longer viable, no guild battles but rather small 5-10 man battlegrounds and a single zone for "open world’ PvP.

     

    Which of those 2 sounds more like GW2?

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  • kadepsysonkadepsyson sun prairie, WIPosts: 1,937Member
    Originally posted by Tolmos
    Originally posted by kadepsyson

    WoW has more subscribers than GW2 ever will.

    And thus the reason WoW influenced Guild Wars 2, as opposed to Guild Wars 1 influencing it. Might as well follow in the footsteps of the giant, I suppose, and hope to pick up some of their members.

     

    Guild Wars 1: Stat plateau, BiS gear ASAP with grinding for looks only, expansions don’t add gear or levels so your character remains viable for all content in the game, guild battles

    WoW: Stat progression, BiS gear takes unbelievable amount of grind, expansions add levels and start your gear grind from scratch so if you are away for a year you are no longer viable, no guild battles but rather small 5-10 man battlegrounds and a single zone for "open world’ PvP.

     

    Which of those 2 sounds more like GW2?

    I see what you are saying for sure.

     

    So in other words, Guild Wars 2 was influenced by WoW.

     

    WoW was the most influential MMORPG of 2012.

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  • ScorchienScorchien Hatboro, PAPosts: 1,336Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Nadia
    Originally posted by Myria

    For that matter, how is it that GW2 "invented" B2P or the lack of a trinity? Neither were remotely new to gaming in general or MMOs in particular. And DE's, is anyone really claiming they're significantly different from WAR's or Rift's versions anymore?

    i agree that B2P has been around for ages -- any online game, altho I dont know of any mmorpg that was b2p

     

    regarding no trinity in mmos, i dont know

    but i cant think of any mmo that had no fighter taunt / threat

    -- which is essential for tanks keeping aggro

    UO  has no taunt/threat .. no trinity err 15 years ago 

  • leaf16nutleaf16nut Northern, ONPosts: 26Member

    Well I'll throw my two cents in as well...

     

    I don't see any major changes in Guild Wars 2 that other games, not necessarily limited MMOs, haven't had. The only thing I've found Guild Wars 2 has done differently is level the playing field, instead of making a player work to get to the highest level or invest some time into the game in order to be good at something, they give it to you right away...

     

    Having grown up playing early MMOs, I can't stand modern ones, it's a shame more kids these days didn't get to experience a game that challenges you as they would enjoy the feel that risk brings, accomplishing a task made you feel as though you actually did something, now it's all about cramming content down your throat.

     

    For somebody like me who wants a true sandbox MMO, Guild Wars 2 is still a themepark, quest fest, softcore, carebear of an MMO; there's no risk, death has no meaning or consequence, there are vast safe areas, levels determine whom you fraternize with, the economy is inflated, and community is virtually non existent. Little has changed, and the things that have are the opposite of what I want to see change in an MMO.

     

    Is Guild Wars 2 the most influential MMORPG of 2012, I surely hope not, otherwise the next 5 years are going to be hell all over again.

  • TolmosTolmos North, FLPosts: 135Member Common
    Originally posted by kadepsyson
    Originally posted by Tolmos
    Originally posted by kadepsyson

    WoW has more subscribers than GW2 ever will.

    And thus the reason WoW influenced Guild Wars 2, as opposed to Guild Wars 1 influencing it. Might as well follow in the footsteps of the giant, I suppose, and hope to pick up some of their members.

     

    Guild Wars 1: Stat plateau, BiS gear ASAP with grinding for looks only, expansions don’t add gear or levels so your character remains viable for all content in the game, guild battles

    WoW: Stat progression, BiS gear takes unbelievable amount of grind, expansions add levels and start your gear grind from scratch so if you are away for a year you are no longer viable, no guild battles but rather small 5-10 man battlegrounds and a single zone for "open world’ PvP.

     

    Which of those 2 sounds more like GW2?

    I see what you are saying for sure.

     

    So in other words, Guild Wars 2 was influenced by WoW.

     

    WoW was the most influential MMORPG of 2012.

    lmao. Sounds about right.

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  • dimnikardimnikar ZanistanvillePosts: 271Member
    How about we have it actually INFLUENCE something before making asinine threads like this -.-
  • eye_meye_m Notta Chance, ABPosts: 3,133Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by dimnikar
    How about we have it actually INFLUENCE something before making asinine threads like this -.-

    Well, GW2 has influenced you and prompted you to talk about it. Unless, of course, you don't exist.

    All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

    I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.

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  • vandal5627vandal5627 Jersey City, NJPosts: 586Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by eyelolled
    Originally posted by dimnikar
    How about we have it actually INFLUENCE something before making asinine threads like this -.-

    Well, GW2 has influenced you and prompted you to talk about it. Unless, of course, you don't exist.

     I kinda think your thread influenced him to talk not the game.

  • kadepsysonkadepsyson sun prairie, WIPosts: 1,937Member
    Originally posted by eyelolled
    Originally posted by dimnikar
    How about we have it actually INFLUENCE something before making asinine threads like this -.-

    Well, GW2 has influenced you and prompted you to talk about it. Unless, of course, you don't exist.

    I would have called GW2 "most popular step backwards in innovation in 2012" personally.

    El Psy Congroo

  • boxsndboxsnd Kraxton, ARPosts: 438Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by vandal5627
    I think the OP sees ESO getting all the attention so he's trying to get some traffic for GW2 so it can ba back on top again. :)

    No it's just preparation on calling ESO a GW2 clone.

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  • vandal5627vandal5627 Jersey City, NJPosts: 586Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by boxsnd
    Originally posted by vandal5627
    I think the OP sees ESO getting all the attention so he's trying to get some traffic for GW2 so it can ba back on top again. :)

    No it's just preparation on calling ESO a GW2 clone.

     I can see that as well

  • RaysheRayshe London, ONPosts: 1,284Member

    Wanna make some innovations, then increase the roles that each part of the trinity uses dont just get rid of it. if the tanks job is just to stand there and get their asses kicked then you have your typical MMORPG. However if your tank needs to think about Placement, Interrupts, Guiding, LoS, Pathways  etc then you have expanded the tanking role. if you just say, no one tanks, then your making the game less complicated not more.

     

    Ill take for example TSW, where the only simple role in that game is healing. Because almost every fighting is a gimmick fight in that game the Tank needs to remember every little detail or else its a wipe. DPS need to follow instruction well too. The only time this isnt critical is when you go into a fight in max gear. but at that points its like running Deadmines with a group of 40's

     

    Also agreed that its way to early to call influences on anything. the game is still in its training pants.

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  • botrytisbotrytis In Flux, MIPosts: 2,567Member
    Originally posted by boxsnd
    Originally posted by vandal5627
    I think the OP sees ESO getting all the attention so he's trying to get some traffic for GW2 so it can ba back on top again. :)

    No it's just preparation on calling ESO a GW2 clone.

    If it is not the first came of it's kind then it is a clone - I think that is what haters think. So, ESO will be a WoW, TERA, GW2, TSW, and SWTOR clone  :-)

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  • ThorkuneThorkune Eastern, KYPosts: 1,828Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by koboldfodder

    I played it for about two and a half weeks.  I enjoyed the art direction and the fact that it was very well done from a technical standpoint (it pretty much worked from day one).  But there was no real depth to any of the core systems. 

     

    Hearts were just your basic quests without a start NPC or a set number of mobs to kill.  It was still Kill these or collect these type of things....every single quest was this way.

     

    You expored things once....and only once, to fill your sheet thingy.  Loot was dull and boring.  I never got the feeling I got when I first got a Dragoon Dirk from Crushbone.  Level 10 sword was a little bit better than a level 9 sword, while not as good as a level 11 sword.  Crafting was boring WOW type.  PVP was instanced and really meant nothing in terms of the world.  The Dynamic events meant nothing either, as they would eventually reset.

     

    Had I never played original Everquest, or Ultima Online or Star Wars Galaxies or EVE I think I would have really enjoyed Guild Wars 2.  But I did play those games and when I compare actual substance and complexity of game systems (whether it was SWG and EVE crafting, or EQ's group content or UOs total world) GW2 does not even register.

     

    The MMO genre just does not evolve like other gaming genres.  I am tired of WoW clones, or GW2 clones or whatever.  I want a game with systems that have actual depth, like SWG's crafting.

     

    GW2 is neither evolutionary nor revolutionary, that is the problem.

    Well said. I don't hate GW2, but it gives me that "been there...done that" feel. I don't see how taking away the trinity, no dungeon finder and no mounts makes it "evolutionary". I think it would make it more de-evolutionary. I am apparently not alone in my thinking since my server seems to be becoming more empty each day.

  • vandal5627vandal5627 Jersey City, NJPosts: 586Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by botrytis
    Originally posted by boxsnd
    Originally posted by vandal5627
    I think the OP sees ESO getting all the attention so he's trying to get some traffic for GW2 so it can ba back on top again. :)

    No it's just preparation on calling ESO a GW2 clone.

    If it is not the first came of it's kind then it is a clone - I think that is what heters think. So, ESO will be a WoW, TERA, GW2, TSW, and SWTOR clone  :-)

     You need to do some research on what the word clone means sir :)

  • botrytisbotrytis In Flux, MIPosts: 2,567Member
    Originally posted by vandal5627
    Originally posted by botrytis
    Originally posted by boxsnd
    Originally posted by vandal5627
    I think the OP sees ESO getting all the attention so he's trying to get some traffic for GW2 so it can ba back on top again. :)

    No it's just preparation on calling ESO a GW2 clone.

    If it is not the first came of it's kind then it is a clone - I think that is what heters think. So, ESO will be a WoW, TERA, GW2, TSW, and SWTOR clone  :-)

     You need to do some research on what the word clone means sir :)

    NAH - put them all in a blender, pulse well, pour out - there is your ESO ;-)

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  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ramonski7
    Originally posted by eyelolled

    There should be no doubt that GW2 was the most influential mmorpg of 2012. Many people were talking about how the game is evolutionary, and a welcome breath of fresh air to the genre. It's won multiple awards like IGN's Best PC Game, IGN's Best PC MMO game, IGN's Best PC Graphics, Massively's Best MMO of 2012, MMORPG.com Most Innovative, Gamespots PC game of the year, Time' s #1 game of the year, and more recently PCGamer's MMO of the Year! There is no denying that GW2 has grabbed a lot of attention, and the loyal fanbase is growing each and every day!

     

    GW2 is the most talked about game on this site still, even after almost 5 months since release. It's the most talked about game this week, and the most talked about game this month. GW2 has more than 3 times as many hits as the next closest game over the last 6 months, and more than 3 times as many hits as the next closest game over the last year.

     

    [mod edit] Nonetheless, I want to thank them too. They really prove how influential the game is. People don't write and talk about meaningless things of little importance. People write and talk  about things that affect them or concern them. Each and every thread, each and every reply is another hit on the popularity scale for GW2.

     

    Each post is a testiment to the influence that GW2 has within the genre, even if it is a hate post. This game IS the game worth talking about, and when developers are looking for what games to follow into the future, the most talked about game is a good choice.  I look forward to a brilliant future for mmorpg's, with GW2 lighting the way.

     

    EDIT: And if you feel like arguing with me, and telling me I'm wrong, or if you feel like telling me how much you like the game. Keep on speaking. Keep on saying how you feel and lets keep GW2 leading the way through 2013!!!

     

       

    I hate to echo a redundant point here in the case of your enlightened view of GW2, but popularity alone does not equate to influence in the industry. Influencing what gamers play is one thing, influencing a new generation of developers to mimic what you have created is not so easily accomplished.

     

    • Maple Story
    • Runescape
    • Lineage

    Three games that are more popular than WoW but had little influence within the industry. At the time no developers wanted to mimic what they saw in those games. Take EQ for instance. It was very popular for its time. And it's popularity in turn influenced developers to expand on those ideas. WoW devs were directly quoted as to having been influenced from what they seen and experienced playing EQ.  Thus when WoW was created it meet that population threshold set by the mmo before it and exceeded it tenfold. This in turn created a breeding ground of new devs experiencing WoW and being influenced into creating or expanding on that basis.

     

    But the direction of influence is not a straight line. Influence goes in many directions and I'm afraid GW2 is only one of many new mmos that have been influenced by WoW, but only in a different direction. Now GW2 could end up being to a new mmo  what EQ was to WoW. That means that in a few years we could have devs that have played and experienced GW2 and carry on that experience to make the next industry influencing mmo. But for now. GW2 has to meet the population threshold set by the mmo before it first before it can become a breeding ground for new developments.

    This +1.

  • botrytisbotrytis In Flux, MIPosts: 2,567Member
    Originally posted by bigsmiff
    Originally posted by koboldfodder

    I played it for about two and a half weeks.  I enjoyed the art direction and the fact that it was very well done from a technical standpoint (it pretty much worked from day one).  But there was no real depth to any of the core systems. 

     

    Hearts were just your basic quests without a start NPC or a set number of mobs to kill.  It was still Kill these or collect these type of things....every single quest was this way.

     

    You expored things once....and only once, to fill your sheet thingy.  Loot was dull and boring.  I never got the feeling I got when I first got a Dragoon Dirk from Crushbone.  Level 10 sword was a little bit better than a level 9 sword, while not as good as a level 11 sword.  Crafting was boring WOW type.  PVP was instanced and really meant nothing in terms of the world.  The Dynamic events meant nothing either, as they would eventually reset.

     

    Had I never played original Everquest, or Ultima Online or Star Wars Galaxies or EVE I think I would have really enjoyed Guild Wars 2.  But I did play those games and when I compare actual substance and complexity of game systems (whether it was SWG and EVE crafting, or EQ's group content or UOs total world) GW2 does not even register.

     

    The MMO genre just does not evolve like other gaming genres.  I am tired of WoW clones, or GW2 clones or whatever.  I want a game with systems that have actual depth, like SWG's crafting.

     

    GW2 is neither evolutionary nor revolutionary, that is the problem.

    Well said. I don't hate GW2, but it gives me that "been there...done that" feel. I don't see how taking away the trinity, no dungeon finder and no mounts makes it "evolutionary". I think it would make it more de-evolutionary. I am apparently not alone in my thinking since my server seems to be becoming more empty each day.

    Why do we need the trinity? The trinity assumes aggro is very simply based on yelling at things (OK shouts!!). I think the trinity is DE-evolutionary because the aggro system is so simple.

     

    My server is full and people can't transfer to it. You dont have to play the game, ya know (it has no sub). Unless of course you like to complain.

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