Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!

complete scam

bishbosh2bishbosh2 SydneyPosts: 66Member

purchased assets from unity store

pathetic kickstarter video that demonstrates nothing

viagra salesman/ mma promoter 

no industry experience or succesful projects under his belt

vile attidude

 

 

im going to go as far to say this jason appleton is scumbag. he aware that he has no idea what he is doing but he is asking for funding and using his snakeoil salesman marketing skills to trick people into funding his project.

 

i go on the unity forums regularly and ive been seeing this guys antics.  he has no idea how to make a game and all the dev videos are just a bunch of terrain + 3d assets purchased from the unity store. it takes a couple of hours to put together what they have put together if you know what you are doing. none of their videos actually demonstrate the actual gameplay. real developers dont use 3rd party engines to make mmorpgs unless they can purchase a FULL SOURCE CODE LICENSE. this is a completely pathetic scam. dont fall for it.

Tagged:
«1

Comments

  • BetaguyBetaguy Halifax, NSPosts: 2,606Member Uncommon

    Ever hear of the saying, spend money to make money? Well it crossed my mind a few times to just drop 10K on a basic game engine. Then highlight a couple cool things, then throw it up on kickstarter and see if I can double, triple or quadruple my investment on the belief my MMO will have all the features people crave. It does work and people are starting to catch on.

    image

  • bishbosh2bishbosh2 SydneyPosts: 66Member
    Originally posted by Betaguy
    Ever hear of the saying, spend money to make money? Well it crossed my mind a few times to just drop 10K on a basic game engine. Then highlight a couple cool things, then throw it up on kickstarter and see if I can double, triple or quadruple my investment on the belief my MMO will have all the features people crave. It does work and people are starting to catch on.

    unity is free! dont even need that intital 10K. only a couple of $100 to by assets off the asset store and a couple of hours to go through some 3dbuzz tutorials to learn how to create a simple game world using unity3d. scamming has never been easier.

  • CaldrinCaldrin CwmbranPosts: 4,505Member Uncommon

    What are you on about real developers dont use 3rd party engines to make MMOS?

    I think you will find most out there actually use 3rd party engines.. with exception of a few devepopers that have made their own engines.

    SOE
    AV
    Funcom
    blizzard
    CCP

    probally a few others I cant think of.. but a lot use 3rd party engines from Cryengine to unreal.. Unity is a pretty new engine and has just got to the point where you can make AAA games with it so a lot of devs are now picknig this up.

    unity being a really good one for an MMO actually.. as with unity pro plus one of the middleware networking systems it is very well suited to an MMO..

     

    But saying that you are right i dont trust the guy enough to put money his way yet.. and yes it dont take long to put a world togeather in unity..

    Infact here is one i have worked on for about an hour.. a little project me and a few guys are working on..

     

    I also dont like his idea of letting people buy land in game for realy money and thats the main reason im not interested in the game.. but i dont feel the need to  come on here calling him a scammer lol

    Also you need to be a fully registered company in the states or the uk to get on kickstarter, but yes I am 100% sure there will be scams on there at some point so be very carefull who you want to back..

     

     

     

  • DihoruDihoru ConstantaPosts: 2,731Member

    Wargaming also used a 3rd party engine for World of Tanks initially but after the huge success that game turned out to be they managed to buy the company they licensed the engine from wholesale.

     

    The OP just sounds like another butthurt individual trying to slander GM for whatever reasons suit him (cause it most certainly isn't a her). Proof of this? Simple: no credible proof or sources supplied, just heresay and his own heavily biased opinion, good show old chap, I think we'll have less WoW kiddies in game thanks to you.

    image
  • bishbosh2bishbosh2 SydneyPosts: 66Member
    Originally posted by Caldrin
    What are you on about real developers dont use 3rd party engines to make MMOS? I think you will find most out there actually use 3rd party engines.. with exception of a few devepopers that have made their own engines. SOE
    AV
    Funcom
    blizzard
    CCP

    probally a few others I cant think of.. but a lot use 3rd party engines from Cryengine to unreal.. Unity is a pretty new engine and has just got to the point where you can make AAA games with it so a lot of devs are now picknig this up.
    unity being a really good one for an MMO actually.. as with unity pro plus one of the middleware networking systems it is very well suited to an MMO..  

    if you read my post thoroughly you will notice that I mentioned that no real developers use 3rd party engines unless they have FULL SOURCE CODE LICENSE. big difference. 

    there is no evidence that unity well suited for an MMO. there are no succesful unity mmorpgs released of yet. Given that AAA games running low level C++ driven networking have issues with large numbers of players in a small area i dont think middleware solutions stand a chance...

     

    Originally posted by Dihoru

    Wargaming also used a 3rd party engine for World of Tanks initially but after the huge success that game turned out to be they managed to buy the company they licensed the engine from wholesale.

     

    The OP just sounds like another butthurt individual trying to slander GM for whatever reasons suit him (cause it most certainly isn't a her). Proof of this? Simple: no credible proof or sources supplied, just heresay and his own heavily biased opinion, good show old chap, I think we'll have less WoW kiddies in game thanks to you.

     

     

    1. i have never played WOW

    2. I am pretty sure that it is up to the developers of the game to prove that their game is worth funding. I have merely pointed out that the developers have not proven that. I have pointed out that what their dev videos show is not substantial. If you dont beleive me, go an make a unity forum account and make a thread asking how long do you thing it would take to make this and post a link to any of the dev videos. Make sure you point out that assets are purchased from the asset store although i think the unity forum goers will pick that up for themselves.

     

  • lathaanlathaan viennaPosts: 476Member Uncommon

    haha, i guess someone fell for it and is no a bit "wiser" ^^

    why do those people post their butthurtness always where everyone can laugh at them?

  • bishbosh2bishbosh2 SydneyPosts: 66Member
    Originally posted by lathaan
    haha, i guess someone fell for it and is no a bit "wiser" ^^ why do those people post their butthurtness always where everyone can laugh at them?

    i didnt fund the project... im posting this just to let spread awareness. scam projects like this one damage kickstarter and make it difficult for genuine projects to get the funding they need.

  • CaldrinCaldrin CwmbranPosts: 4,505Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bishbosh2

     

    if you read my post thoroughly you will notice that I mentioned that no real developers use 3rd party engines unless they have FULL SOURCE CODE LICENSE. big difference. 

    there is no evidence that unity well suited for an MMO. there are no succesful unity mmorpgs released of yet. Given that AAA games running low level C++ driven networking have issues with large numbers of players in a small area i dont think middleware solutions stand a chance...

     

     

    Well lucky he choose unity so he can do what he wants with it :)

     

    AS i stated unity has only recently got to the point where its capable of producing a good game.. and middleware networking solutions have recently become available for it.. this is why we are now seeing a lot of devs taking this engine up for their MMOs..

     

    there have been quite a few tests using unity and these middlewre engines that have worked really well..

    1000 players fighting on the same map.. (You would probally never have this happen in an MMO as people would be spread out over the world)

    These middleware solutions stand a very good chance, as the company developing them are just making a networknig solution and nothing else.. every resource is put in to making it work..

    Unity is now a solid engine, with solid support and numerous networking options for MMOs.. expect to see a lot of MMOs using this engine..

     

    Also i dont see any issues with using stuff of the asset store if its actually good quality.. thats the reason its there for at the end of the day.. tho if I where making a game i would also ahve to have my own models and assets but i would probally end up using a few off the store.

     

     

  • DSWBeefDSWBeef phoenix, AZPosts: 787Member Uncommon

    You do realize that they switched to the Hero Engine after Unity changed there EULA? So no they are not using unity anymore. Also who says you have to be some huge modeler/Coder to run a video game buisness? Im sure if a modeler sat Bobby Kotick the CEO of Activision down and said make me a house Kotick wouldnt know the first thing about making said house. Also if you do your research you would see that he has actually started learning how to model and script. And if you actually go on their forums there are plenty more images and videos showing the game.

    Sure his attitude wasnt the greatest but I prefer a dev who will stick up for himself and his game then what most devs do which is just ignore it. He actually addresses it.

    Better get all the facts before you bash someone.

    Playing: War Thunder, World of Warcraft, and Grim Dawn
    Waiting on:Everquest Next and The Black Desert

  • bishbosh2bishbosh2 SydneyPosts: 66Member
    Originally posted by Caldrin
    Originally posted by bishbosh2

     

    if you read my post thoroughly you will notice that I mentioned that no real developers use 3rd party engines unless they have FULL SOURCE CODE LICENSE. big difference. 

    there is no evidence that unity well suited for an MMO. there are no succesful unity mmorpgs released of yet. Given that AAA games running low level C++ driven networking have issues with large numbers of players in a small area i dont think middleware solutions stand a chance...

     

     

    Well lucky he choose unity so he can do what he wants with it :)

     

    AS i stated unity has only recently got to the point where its capable of producing a good game.. and middleware networking solutions have recently become available for it.. this is why we are now seeing a lot of devs taking this engine up for their MMOs..

     

    there have been quite a few tests using unity and these middlewre engines that have worked really well..

    1000 players fighting on the same map.. (You would probally never have this happen in an MMO as people would be spread out over the world)

    These middleware solutions stand a very good chance, as the company developing them are just making a networknig solution and nothing else.. every resource is put in to making it work..

    Unity is now a solid engine, with solid support and numerous networking options for MMOs.. expect to see a lot of MMOs using this engine..

    well no you cant what you whatever you want with unity unless your purchase the full source code license. I cant find anything suggesting they have purchased a full source code license.

    I dont think that is 1000 real players connected through a network. looks like AI to me and even after that how can we know what the hit registry is like, it looks laggy as well and it froze up at one time. that video doesnt prove the point you are trying to make.

    like i said there is no proof of the these middleware solutions effectiveness. it doesnt matter that the company puts all their resources into making it work. Im not sure if you have any programming experience with non managed languages and game engines but writing your own code in c++ will always execute faster simply because you have you full control over what is happening. I can give you an example based on my real experience. 2d physics runs like shit on unity because Nvidia physx has crap ton of overhead  that needs to be run even when using it in 2d mode. If you write your own engine and use box2d or write your own 2d physics your game will run faster than it would have using unity. 

  • JamesPJamesP Portland, MEPosts: 479Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bishbosh2
    Originally posted by Caldrin
    Originally posted by bishbosh2

     

    if you read my post thoroughly you will notice that I mentioned that no real developers use 3rd party engines unless they have FULL SOURCE CODE LICENSE. big difference. 

    there is no evidence that unity well suited for an MMO. there are no succesful unity mmorpgs released of yet. Given that AAA games running low level C++ driven networking have issues with large numbers of players in a small area i dont think middleware solutions stand a chance...

     

     

    Well lucky he choose unity so he can do what he wants with it :)

     

    AS i stated unity has only recently got to the point where its capable of producing a good game.. and middleware networking solutions have recently become available for it.. this is why we are now seeing a lot of devs taking this engine up for their MMOs..

     

    there have been quite a few tests using unity and these middlewre engines that have worked really well..

    1000 players fighting on the same map.. (You would probally never have this happen in an MMO as people would be spread out over the world)

    These middleware solutions stand a very good chance, as the company developing them are just making a networknig solution and nothing else.. every resource is put in to making it work..

    Unity is now a solid engine, with solid support and numerous networking options for MMOs.. expect to see a lot of MMOs using this engine..

    well no you cant what you whatever you want with unity unless your purchase the full source code license. I cant find anything suggesting they have purchased a full source code license.

    I dont think that is 1000 real players connected through a network. looks like AI to me and even after that how can we know what the hit registry is like, it looks laggy as well and it froze up at one time. that video doesnt prove the point you are trying to make.

    like i said there is no proof of the these middleware solutions effectiveness. it doesnt matter that the company puts all their resources into making it work. Im not sure if you have any programming experience with non managed languages and game engines but writing your own code in c++ will always execute faster simply because you have you full control over what is happening. I can give you an example based on my real experience. 2d physics runs like shit on unity because Nvidia physx has crap ton of overhead  that needs to be run even when using it in 2d mode. If you write your own engine and use box2d or write your own 2d physics your game will run faster than it would have using unity. 

    Why waste man power reinventing the wheel though? Besides we aren't even using Unity3D. We are using HeroEngine which is designed from the ground up with a single type of Game in mind - MMOs. It's a Million dollar engine for AAA companies and has world class tools designed to speed up development time. We are making big progress and will have some stuff to show off soon.

    Company Owner
    MMO Interactive
    Greed Monger

    http://www.greedmonger.net/forum/index.php

  • DSWBeefDSWBeef phoenix, AZPosts: 787Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by JamesP
    Originally posted by bishbosh2
    Originally posted by Caldrin
    Originally posted by bishbosh2

     

    if you read my post thoroughly you will notice that I mentioned that no real developers use 3rd party engines unless they have FULL SOURCE CODE LICENSE. big difference. 

    there is no evidence that unity well suited for an MMO. there are no succesful unity mmorpgs released of yet. Given that AAA games running low level C++ driven networking have issues with large numbers of players in a small area i dont think middleware solutions stand a chance...

     

     

    Well lucky he choose unity so he can do what he wants with it :)

     

    AS i stated unity has only recently got to the point where its capable of producing a good game.. and middleware networking solutions have recently become available for it.. this is why we are now seeing a lot of devs taking this engine up for their MMOs..

     

    there have been quite a few tests using unity and these middlewre engines that have worked really well..

    1000 players fighting on the same map.. (You would probally never have this happen in an MMO as people would be spread out over the world)

    These middleware solutions stand a very good chance, as the company developing them are just making a networknig solution and nothing else.. every resource is put in to making it work..

    Unity is now a solid engine, with solid support and numerous networking options for MMOs.. expect to see a lot of MMOs using this engine..

    well no you cant what you whatever you want with unity unless your purchase the full source code license. I cant find anything suggesting they have purchased a full source code license.

    I dont think that is 1000 real players connected through a network. looks like AI to me and even after that how can we know what the hit registry is like, it looks laggy as well and it froze up at one time. that video doesnt prove the point you are trying to make.

    like i said there is no proof of the these middleware solutions effectiveness. it doesnt matter that the company puts all their resources into making it work. Im not sure if you have any programming experience with non managed languages and game engines but writing your own code in c++ will always execute faster simply because you have you full control over what is happening. I can give you an example based on my real experience. 2d physics runs like shit on unity because Nvidia physx has crap ton of overhead  that needs to be run even when using it in 2d mode. If you write your own engine and use box2d or write your own 2d physics your game will run faster than it would have using unity. 

    Why waste man power reinventing the wheel though? Besides we aren't even using Unity3D. We are using HeroEngine which is designed from the ground up with a single type of Game in mind - MMOs. It's a Million dollar engine for AAA companies and has world class tools designed to speed up development time. We are making big progress and will have some stuff to show off soon.

    You're either up late working on Gm or up early!

    Playing: War Thunder, World of Warcraft, and Grim Dawn
    Waiting on:Everquest Next and The Black Desert

  • bishbosh2bishbosh2 SydneyPosts: 66Member
    Originally posted by DSWBeef
    You do realize that they switched to the Hero Engine after Unity changed there EULA? So no they are not using unity anymore. Also who says you have to be some huge modeler/Coder to run a video game buisness? Im sure if a modeler sat Bobby Kotick the CEO of Activision down and said make me a house Kotick wouldnt know the first thing about making said house. Also if you do your research you would see that he has actually started learning how to model and script. And if you actually go on their forums there are plenty more images and videos showing the game. Sure his attitude wasnt the greatest but I prefer a dev who will stick up for himself and his game then what most devs do which is just ignore it. He actually addresses it. Better get all the facts before you bash someone.

    oh wow how comforting. they just figured out which engine they will be using? on top of that they switched to an engine that gives you even less control than the engine they were initially working with. He is starting to learn how script and model now? why not till after the game is released. He has far more important things to attend to like people on the internet critcising his competancy.

    how can you compare this guy with kotick. kotick just didnt become CEO of activision like that. the guy had been in the software industry 8 years prior to becomeing CEO of activision in 1991 when activision was still a small company and no one played video games.... kotick is a profesional doing his job. he doesnt have time to participate in internet feuds with trolls. im sorry but i prefer a dev who is proffesional. (note: this doesnt mean i like koticks views regarding game design and destroying franchises for quick cash)

  • JamesPJamesP Portland, MEPosts: 479Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bishbosh2
    Originally posted by DSWBeef
    You do realize that they switched to the Hero Engine after Unity changed there EULA? So no they are not using unity anymore. Also who says you have to be some huge modeler/Coder to run a video game buisness? Im sure if a modeler sat Bobby Kotick the CEO of Activision down and said make me a house Kotick wouldnt know the first thing about making said house. Also if you do your research you would see that he has actually started learning how to model and script. And if you actually go on their forums there are plenty more images and videos showing the game. Sure his attitude wasnt the greatest but I prefer a dev who will stick up for himself and his game then what most devs do which is just ignore it. He actually addresses it. Better get all the facts before you bash someone.

    oh wow how comforting. they just figured out which engine they will be using? on top of that they switched to an engine that gives you even less control than the engine they were initially working with. He is starting to learn how script and model now? why not till after the game is released. He has far more important things to attend to like people on the internet critcising his competancy.

    how can you compare this guy with kotick. kotick just didnt become CEO of activision like that. the guy had been in the software industry 8 years prior to becomeing CEO of activision in 1991 when activision was still a small company and no one played video games.... kotick is a profesional doing his job. he doesnt have time to participate in internet feuds with trolls. im sorry but i prefer a dev who is proffesional. (note: this doesnt mean i like koticks views regarding game design and destroying franchises for quick cash)

    Have you personally worked with the HeroEngine? If not I wouldn't be so quick to judge it. I have extensive experience with it and for MMO Development it's 100% better then Unity3D. Not to mention we will be getting the Source License soon after Launch.

    Company Owner
    MMO Interactive
    Greed Monger

    http://www.greedmonger.net/forum/index.php

  • DSWBeefDSWBeef phoenix, AZPosts: 787Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bishbosh2
    Originally posted by DSWBeef
    You do realize that they switched to the Hero Engine after Unity changed there EULA? So no they are not using unity anymore. Also who says you have to be some huge modeler/Coder to run a video game buisness? Im sure if a modeler sat Bobby Kotick the CEO of Activision down and said make me a house Kotick wouldnt know the first thing about making said house. Also if you do your research you would see that he has actually started learning how to model and script. And if you actually go on their forums there are plenty more images and videos showing the game. Sure his attitude wasnt the greatest but I prefer a dev who will stick up for himself and his game then what most devs do which is just ignore it. He actually addresses it. Better get all the facts before you bash someone.

    oh wow how comforting. they just figured out which engine they will be using? on top of that they switched to an engine that gives you even less control than the engine they were initially working with. He is starting to learn how script and model now? why not till after the game is released. He has far more important things to attend to like people on the internet critcising his competancy.

    how can you compare this guy with kotick. kotick just didnt become CEO of activision like that. the guy had been in the software industry 8 years prior to becomeing CEO of activision in 1991 when activision was still a small company and no one played video games.... kotick is a profesional doing his job. he doesnt have time to participate in internet feuds with trolls. im sorry but i prefer a dev who is proffesional. (note: this doesnt mean i like koticks views regarding game design and destroying franchises for quick cash)

    Seems you have some vendetta against Greed Monger. So much hate. Im gonna write you off as a troll.

    Playing: War Thunder, World of Warcraft, and Grim Dawn
    Waiting on:Everquest Next and The Black Desert

  • DihoruDihoru ConstantaPosts: 2,731Member
    Originally posted by bishbosh2
    Originally posted by DSWBeef
    You do realize that they switched to the Hero Engine after Unity changed there EULA? So no they are not using unity anymore. Also who says you have to be some huge modeler/Coder to run a video game buisness? Im sure if a modeler sat Bobby Kotick the CEO of Activision down and said make me a house Kotick wouldnt know the first thing about making said house. Also if you do your research you would see that he has actually started learning how to model and script. And if you actually go on their forums there are plenty more images and videos showing the game. Sure his attitude wasnt the greatest but I prefer a dev who will stick up for himself and his game then what most devs do which is just ignore it. He actually addresses it. Better get all the facts before you bash someone.

    oh wow how comforting. they just figured out which engine they will be using? on top of that they switched to an engine that gives you even less control than the engine they were initially working with. He is starting to learn how script and model now? why not till after the game is released. He has far more important things to attend to like people on the internet critcising his competancy.

    how can you compare this guy with kotick. kotick just didnt become CEO of activision like that. the guy had been in the software industry 8 years prior to becomeing CEO of activision in 1991 when activision was still a small company and no one played video games.... kotick is a profesional doing his job. he doesnt have time to participate in internet feuds with trolls. im sorry but i prefer a dev who is proffesional. (note: this doesnt mean i like koticks views regarding game design and destroying franchises for quick cash)

    Go home kid, most of the kickstarter projects are no less a state when they were first put up... Star Citizen had CGI with game assets, no gameplay, Elite Dangerous again had assets in CGI videos and I will not go into details about others who were by big name developers who had even less to show off when they get on kickstarter, sans some concept art, but I guess you don't see those as scams, merely those of developers you dislike as being scams... just go home, anyone with two functional, unimpaired neurons can see through your crap arguments.

    image
  • JamesPJamesP Portland, MEPosts: 479Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DSWBeef
    Originally posted by JamesP
    Originally posted by bishbosh2
    Originally posted by Caldrin
    Originally posted by bishbosh2

     

    if you read my post thoroughly you will notice that I mentioned that no real developers use 3rd party engines unless they have FULL SOURCE CODE LICENSE. big difference. 

    there is no evidence that unity well suited for an MMO. there are no succesful unity mmorpgs released of yet. Given that AAA games running low level C++ driven networking have issues with large numbers of players in a small area i dont think middleware solutions stand a chance...

     

     

    Well lucky he choose unity so he can do what he wants with it :)

     

    AS i stated unity has only recently got to the point where its capable of producing a good game.. and middleware networking solutions have recently become available for it.. this is why we are now seeing a lot of devs taking this engine up for their MMOs..

     

    there have been quite a few tests using unity and these middlewre engines that have worked really well..

    1000 players fighting on the same map.. (You would probally never have this happen in an MMO as people would be spread out over the world)

    These middleware solutions stand a very good chance, as the company developing them are just making a networknig solution and nothing else.. every resource is put in to making it work..

    Unity is now a solid engine, with solid support and numerous networking options for MMOs.. expect to see a lot of MMOs using this engine..

    well no you cant what you whatever you want with unity unless your purchase the full source code license. I cant find anything suggesting they have purchased a full source code license.

    I dont think that is 1000 real players connected through a network. looks like AI to me and even after that how can we know what the hit registry is like, it looks laggy as well and it froze up at one time. that video doesnt prove the point you are trying to make.

    like i said there is no proof of the these middleware solutions effectiveness. it doesnt matter that the company puts all their resources into making it work. Im not sure if you have any programming experience with non managed languages and game engines but writing your own code in c++ will always execute faster simply because you have you full control over what is happening. I can give you an example based on my real experience. 2d physics runs like shit on unity because Nvidia physx has crap ton of overhead  that needs to be run even when using it in 2d mode. If you write your own engine and use box2d or write your own 2d physics your game will run faster than it would have using unity. 

    Why waste man power reinventing the wheel though? Besides we aren't even using Unity3D. We are using HeroEngine which is designed from the ground up with a single type of Game in mind - MMOs. It's a Million dollar engine for AAA companies and has world class tools designed to speed up development time. We are making big progress and will have some stuff to show off soon.

    You're either up late working on Gm or up early!

    lol I was working on GM until around 3am and then decided to unwind by Watching Jericho on Netflix. I started watching it like Saturday and have been watching it in my free time ever since... Great Show!

    Company Owner
    MMO Interactive
    Greed Monger

    http://www.greedmonger.net/forum/index.php

  • DSWBeefDSWBeef phoenix, AZPosts: 787Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by JamesP
    Originally posted by DSWBeef
    Originally posted by JamesP
    Originally posted by bishbosh2
    Originally posted by Caldrin
    Originally posted by bishbosh2

     

    if you read my post thoroughly you will notice that I mentioned that no real developers use 3rd party engines unless they have FULL SOURCE CODE LICENSE. big difference. 

    there is no evidence that unity well suited for an MMO. there are no succesful unity mmorpgs released of yet. Given that AAA games running low level C++ driven networking have issues with large numbers of players in a small area i dont think middleware solutions stand a chance...

     

     

    Well lucky he choose unity so he can do what he wants with it :)

     

    AS i stated unity has only recently got to the point where its capable of producing a good game.. and middleware networking solutions have recently become available for it.. this is why we are now seeing a lot of devs taking this engine up for their MMOs..

     

    there have been quite a few tests using unity and these middlewre engines that have worked really well..

    1000 players fighting on the same map.. (You would probally never have this happen in an MMO as people would be spread out over the world)

    These middleware solutions stand a very good chance, as the company developing them are just making a networknig solution and nothing else.. every resource is put in to making it work..

    Unity is now a solid engine, with solid support and numerous networking options for MMOs.. expect to see a lot of MMOs using this engine..

    well no you cant what you whatever you want with unity unless your purchase the full source code license. I cant find anything suggesting they have purchased a full source code license.

    I dont think that is 1000 real players connected through a network. looks like AI to me and even after that how can we know what the hit registry is like, it looks laggy as well and it froze up at one time. that video doesnt prove the point you are trying to make.

    like i said there is no proof of the these middleware solutions effectiveness. it doesnt matter that the company puts all their resources into making it work. Im not sure if you have any programming experience with non managed languages and game engines but writing your own code in c++ will always execute faster simply because you have you full control over what is happening. I can give you an example based on my real experience. 2d physics runs like shit on unity because Nvidia physx has crap ton of overhead  that needs to be run even when using it in 2d mode. If you write your own engine and use box2d or write your own 2d physics your game will run faster than it would have using unity. 

    Why waste man power reinventing the wheel though? Besides we aren't even using Unity3D. We are using HeroEngine which is designed from the ground up with a single type of Game in mind - MMOs. It's a Million dollar engine for AAA companies and has world class tools designed to speed up development time. We are making big progress and will have some stuff to show off soon.

    You're either up late working on Gm or up early!

    lol I was working on GM until around 3am and then decided to unwind by Watching Jericho on Netflix. I started watching it like Saturday and have been watching it in my free time ever since... Great Show!

    Love Jericho! To bad it was cancelled.

    Playing: War Thunder, World of Warcraft, and Grim Dawn
    Waiting on:Everquest Next and The Black Desert

  • bishbosh2bishbosh2 SydneyPosts: 66Member
    Originally posted by DSWBeef
    Originally posted by bishbosh2
    Originally posted by DSWBeef
    You do realize that they switched to the Hero Engine after Unity changed there EULA? So no they are not using unity anymore. Also who says you have to be some huge modeler/Coder to run a video game buisness? Im sure if a modeler sat Bobby Kotick the CEO of Activision down and said make me a house Kotick wouldnt know the first thing about making said house. Also if you do your research you would see that he has actually started learning how to model and script. And if you actually go on their forums there are plenty more images and videos showing the game. Sure his attitude wasnt the greatest but I prefer a dev who will stick up for himself and his game then what most devs do which is just ignore it. He actually addresses it. Better get all the facts before you bash someone.

    oh wow how comforting. they just figured out which engine they will be using? on top of that they switched to an engine that gives you even less control than the engine they were initially working with. He is starting to learn how script and model now? why not till after the game is released. He has far more important things to attend to like people on the internet critcising his competancy.

    how can you compare this guy with kotick. kotick just didnt become CEO of activision like that. the guy had been in the software industry 8 years prior to becomeing CEO of activision in 1991 when activision was still a small company and no one played video games.... kotick is a profesional doing his job. he doesnt have time to participate in internet feuds with trolls. im sorry but i prefer a dev who is proffesional. (note: this doesnt mean i like koticks views regarding game design and destroying franchises for quick cash)

    Seems you have some vendetta against Greed Monger. So much hate. And if you dont have time to debate with internet trolls while you yourself are one then you better just stop.

    its because its people like him that tarnish the reputation of crowd funding. real genuine people who truly have what it takes to produce a game but lack the capital will suffer from projects such as greed monger. go to unity subforums work in progress and looking for a team. follow these forums for a week or two and you will see the number of complete fail projects that exist and how similar greed monger is to them.

  • JamesPJamesP Portland, MEPosts: 479Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bishbosh2
    Originally posted by DSWBeef
    Originally posted by bishbosh2
    Originally posted by DSWBeef
    You do realize that they switched to the Hero Engine after Unity changed there EULA? So no they are not using unity anymore. Also who says you have to be some huge modeler/Coder to run a video game buisness? Im sure if a modeler sat Bobby Kotick the CEO of Activision down and said make me a house Kotick wouldnt know the first thing about making said house. Also if you do your research you would see that he has actually started learning how to model and script. And if you actually go on their forums there are plenty more images and videos showing the game. Sure his attitude wasnt the greatest but I prefer a dev who will stick up for himself and his game then what most devs do which is just ignore it. He actually addresses it. Better get all the facts before you bash someone.

    oh wow how comforting. they just figured out which engine they will be using? on top of that they switched to an engine that gives you even less control than the engine they were initially working with. He is starting to learn how script and model now? why not till after the game is released. He has far more important things to attend to like people on the internet critcising his competancy.

    how can you compare this guy with kotick. kotick just didnt become CEO of activision like that. the guy had been in the software industry 8 years prior to becomeing CEO of activision in 1991 when activision was still a small company and no one played video games.... kotick is a profesional doing his job. he doesnt have time to participate in internet feuds with trolls. im sorry but i prefer a dev who is proffesional. (note: this doesnt mean i like koticks views regarding game design and destroying franchises for quick cash)

    Seems you have some vendetta against Greed Monger. So much hate. And if you dont have time to debate with internet trolls while you yourself are one then you better just stop.

    its because its people like him that tarnish the reputation of crowd funding. real genuine people who truly have what it takes to produce a game but lack the capital will suffer from projects such as greed monger. go to unity subforums work in progress and looking for a team. follow these forums for a week or two and you will see the number of complete fail projects that exist and how similar greed monger is to them.

    Last I checked the pulse of Greed Monger was still alive and kicking... Nothing from our Development Chats indicate as of last night that the whole team (Or any of the time for that matter) had up and left. Jason is still very much a part of the team, I'm still there, We still have a healthy and growing team of world Builders plugging away at building the world. We have a couple other Programmers besides my self. We have several help wanted ads with people contacting us all the time to join. Seems like Jason and I ALMOST hold a interview a day sometimes even 2 or 3 interviews in a single day with people wanting to join our team... Personal that's not a sign of failed team.

    Company Owner
    MMO Interactive
    Greed Monger

    http://www.greedmonger.net/forum/index.php

  • CaldrinCaldrin CwmbranPosts: 4,505Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bishbosh2
    Originally posted by Caldrin
    Originally posted by bishbosh2

    well no you cant what you whatever you want with unity unless your purchase the full source code license. I cant find anything suggesting they have purchased a full source code license.

    I dont think that is 1000 real players connected through a network. looks like AI to me and even after that how can we know what the hit registry is like, it looks laggy as well and it froze up at one time. that video doesnt prove the point you are trying to make.

    like i said there is no proof of the these middleware solutions effectiveness. it doesnt matter that the company puts all their resources into making it work. Im not sure if you have any programming experience with non managed languages and game engines but writing your own code in c++ will always execute faster simply because you have you full control over what is happening. I can give you an example based on my real experience. 2d physics runs like shit on unity because Nvidia physx has crap ton of overhead  that needs to be run even when using it in 2d mode. If you write your own engine and use box2d or write your own 2d physics your game will run faster than it would have using unity. 

    Unity is so flexible without the source code there is basically no need for it...

    Ah yes sorry it was not 1000 players it was acutally 999.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/MuchDifferent-Man-Vs-Machine-FPS-Server-Networking,14590.html

    So proof there that middleware works, as at the time it beat SOEs planetside .. tho im pretty sure PS2 has now topped that but i guess SOE have super servers running that game.

    As for Physics, there are 2d physics addons available in the unity asset store so you dont need to use physx.. thats what im saying you can write so many different plugins for unity it jsut makes it very flexible..

    Now would an in-house engine be more flexible.. yes it probally would, but you would then need the in-house programmers that are capable of writing an engine from the ground up including all the networking code and so on.. Indie companies do not have the finances to support this kind of development path, hell even some big companies dont these days.

    Unity and other 3rd party engines are one of the best things to happen to the gaming industry.. giving peopel access to tech to makes games they never would have had..

    Anyway this has gone off the ponit as they are now using Hero Engine by the looks of it.. another great engine to use for an MMO, if you can be bothered to learn heroscript..

     

     

  • bishbosh2bishbosh2 SydneyPosts: 66Member
    Originally posted by JamesP
    Originally posted by bishbosh2
    Originally posted by DSWBeef
    You do realize that they switched to the Hero Engine after Unity changed there EULA? So no they are not using unity anymore. Also who says you have to be some huge modeler/Coder to run a video game buisness? Im sure if a modeler sat Bobby Kotick the CEO of Activision down and said make me a house Kotick wouldnt know the first thing about making said house. Also if you do your research you would see that he has actually started learning how to model and script. And if you actually go on their forums there are plenty more images and videos showing the game. Sure his attitude wasnt the greatest but I prefer a dev who will stick up for himself and his game then what most devs do which is just ignore it. He actually addresses it. Better get all the facts before you bash someone.

    oh wow how comforting. they just figured out which engine they will be using? on top of that they switched to an engine that gives you even less control than the engine they were initially working with. He is starting to learn how script and model now? why not till after the game is released. He has far more important things to attend to like people on the internet critcising his competancy.

    how can you compare this guy with kotick. kotick just didnt become CEO of activision like that. the guy had been in the software industry 8 years prior to becomeing CEO of activision in 1991 when activision was still a small company and no one played video games.... kotick is a profesional doing his job. he doesnt have time to participate in internet feuds with trolls. im sorry but i prefer a dev who is proffesional. (note: this doesnt mean i like koticks views regarding game design and destroying franchises for quick cash)

    Have you personally worked with the HeroEngine? If not I wouldn't be so quick to judge it. I have extensive experience with it and for MMO Development it's 100% better then Unity3D. Not to mention we will be getting the Source License soon after Launch.

    yes. hero script is terrible.

  • DSWBeefDSWBeef phoenix, AZPosts: 787Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bishbosh2
    Originally posted by DSWBeef
    Originally posted by bishbosh2
    Originally posted by DSWBeef
    You do realize that they switched to the Hero Engine after Unity changed there EULA? So no they are not using unity anymore. Also who says you have to be some huge modeler/Coder to run a video game buisness? Im sure if a modeler sat Bobby Kotick the CEO of Activision down and said make me a house Kotick wouldnt know the first thing about making said house. Also if you do your research you would see that he has actually started learning how to model and script. And if you actually go on their forums there are plenty more images and videos showing the game. Sure his attitude wasnt the greatest but I prefer a dev who will stick up for himself and his game then what most devs do which is just ignore it. He actually addresses it. Better get all the facts before you bash someone.

    oh wow how comforting. they just figured out which engine they will be using? on top of that they switched to an engine that gives you even less control than the engine they were initially working with. He is starting to learn how script and model now? why not till after the game is released. He has far more important things to attend to like people on the internet critcising his competancy.

    how can you compare this guy with kotick. kotick just didnt become CEO of activision like that. the guy had been in the software industry 8 years prior to becomeing CEO of activision in 1991 when activision was still a small company and no one played video games.... kotick is a profesional doing his job. he doesnt have time to participate in internet feuds with trolls. im sorry but i prefer a dev who is proffesional. (note: this doesnt mean i like koticks views regarding game design and destroying franchises for quick cash)

    Seems you have some vendetta against Greed Monger. So much hate. And if you dont have time to debate with internet trolls while you yourself are one then you better just stop.

    its because its people like him that tarnish the reputation of crowd funding. real genuine people who truly have what it takes to produce a game but lack the capital will suffer from projects such as greed monger. go to unity subforums work in progress and looking for a team. follow these forums for a week or two and you will see the number of complete fail projects that exist and how similar greed monger is to them.

    How is GM any different? They actually have the funds to make it a reality? Atleast they have devs who speak their mind instead of ignoring all questions asked or giving half assed answers.  How can you tell that his team doesnt have what it takes? You cant, you dont know him or his team. Fail project? How can you judge if this game is gonna fail when its not even in ALPHA yet? You're just a troll.

    Playing: War Thunder, World of Warcraft, and Grim Dawn
    Waiting on:Everquest Next and The Black Desert

  • CaldrinCaldrin CwmbranPosts: 4,505Member Uncommon

    lol I was working on GM until around 3am and then decided to unwind by Watching Jericho on Netflix. I started watching it like Saturday and have been watching it in my free time ever since... Great Show!

     

    Awesome show but shame it got cut :(

  • JamesPJamesP Portland, MEPosts: 479Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Caldrin

    lol I was working on GM until around 3am and then decided to unwind by Watching Jericho on Netflix. I started watching it like Saturday and have been watching it in my free time ever since... Great Show!

     

    Awesome show but shame it got cut :(

    Yeah. I'm still on Season 1 but so far there does seem to be alot they could have covered that at least they haven't yet. 

    Company Owner
    MMO Interactive
    Greed Monger

    http://www.greedmonger.net/forum/index.php

«1
This discussion has been closed.