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Who's idea was it to have tutorials for mmorpgs?!?

bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,281Member Uncommon

Please get rid of tutorials.

 

I think they do more harm than good for first impressions. After trying a new beta still under NDA, I just had to stop and say "man this sucks." Now I wasn't talking about the game it's self, because that felt good, real good, but the tutorial made me exit game.

 

Give me a clear concise help center/guide/maual then let me figure it out. Stop this bad tutorial nonsense.

 

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  • jimdandy26jimdandy26 salem, ORPosts: 527Member
    Because anything even half as complex as an mmo needs one.

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  • RusqueRusque Las Vegas, NVPosts: 2,229Member Uncommon

    I'm not a fan of "info dump" style tutorials which lead you through every aspect of the game over 1-2 hours. I prefer tutorials to pop up as you encounter new things.

    "Hey you finally made it to a city, crafting stations are here and here, if you go to one you can learn more about crafting" And then it shouldn't show up until you go to a crafting area and say "Show me".

     

  • NBlitzNBlitz ZwollePosts: 1,904Member
    MMOs in general need to please as many people as possible from a business perspective. The lowest common denominator needs to be taken into account, I'm afraid.
  • aWRAYaWRAY Elk Grove, CAPosts: 84Member

    Alright alright, we hate the tutorials in our MMO's. Especially since the tutorials are extremely similar throughout the genre.

    But cmon, let's be a little considerate about the ones who have never picked up an MMO before.

  • n00bizn00biz BerlinPosts: 5Member

    Try Planetside 2, and tell me you can figure out what to do in the first 2 hours of gameplay. No Tutorial and you WILL be lost. Tutorials are fine, but should have the option to skip them if you want.

  • XAPKenXAPKen Northwest, INPosts: 4,927Member Uncommon

    Make them skippable and I'm happy.  Solves both sides of the problem.

     


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  • OnomasOnomas Rock Hill, SCPosts: 1,128Member Uncommon
    Because some people out there refuse to use their brains and figure sh*t out on their own. THey want everything drawed out in crayon kind of like what our mmorpgs have become. mspaintRPG
  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member
    Originally posted by jimdandy26
    Because anything even half as complex as an mmo needs one.

    Because not every player logging into an MMO has been playing for a decade.

     

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  • DrevarDrevar College Station, TXPosts: 157Member Uncommon
    For every person that actually uses their brain to figure out something in an MMORPG, I can show you 200 that will spam global chat asking a question that would have been answered if they had gone through the tutorial.

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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,672Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Icewhite
    Originally posted by jimdandy26
    Because anything even half as complex as an mmo needs one.

    Because not every player logging into an MMO has been playing for a decade.

     

    What these here dudes dun said ---^

     

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  • RohnRohn Saint Peters, MOPosts: 3,740Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Icewhite
    Originally posted by jimdandy26
    Because anything even half as complex as an mmo needs one.

    Because not every player logging into an MMO has been playing for a decade.

     

     

    For me, part of the fun of playing a game is figuring things out.  With most MMOs, it's really not that hard.

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  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 20,008Member Uncommon
    They are my fault, you can blame me for their inclusion in MMOs. ;)

    On a more serious note, I too enjoy more of a popup style of tutorial as opposed to a 2hr scripted session.

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  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 20,008Member Uncommon
    Double post

    In my day MMORPG's were so hard we fought our way through dungeons in the snow, uphill both ways.
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  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member
    Tutorials are fine.  The problem is when they are poorly designed.

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  • birdycephonbirdycephon Salt Lake City, UTPosts: 1,314Member
    Didn't Ultima Online have a tutorial as well?
  • steamtanksteamtank Rochester, NYPosts: 385Member

    EvE has a great tutorial

     

    CoX had a decent one. Short, provided rewards, and was skippable if you REALLLLLLLY wanted to be in the main zones

  • Ramonski7Ramonski7 Aurora, ILPosts: 2,656Member Uncommon

    Sorry I'm the explorer-type so forgive me if this comes out sounding a bit prickish but:

    "If you coming aboard a mmo expecting  to be shown how to play instead of yearning to learn how to play you're right where devs and their current creations want you."

    Now with that being said, I understand the need to show new players the basics but for every "job" that devs design a system to take over that a mmo's community has traditionally handled very well, it chips away at the very foundation needed in order to build a strong one.

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  • Ramonski7Ramonski7 Aurora, ILPosts: 2,656Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by birdycephon
    Didn't Ultima Online have a tutorial as well?

    Nope they went the way of tree killing

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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,672Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by birdycephon
    Didn't Ultima Online have a tutorial as well?

    UO didn't have a tutorial until years after release. Like EVE, it's a game that desperately needs one because of everything there is to do in it, but I can only image the developers says "Well, ... where the **** do we start?!?!"

     

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  • Johnie-MarzJohnie-Marz La Puente, CAPosts: 865Member
    Originally posted by steamtank

    EvE has a great tutorial

    Eve didn't used to really have much of a tutorial. Everyone complained about how hard it was and it needed a better one.

    Now people are complaining because games do have tutorials. Trust me, EVE needs a tutorial. There is so much to do, it is not intuitive. 

    If all you have to do is swing a sword more forward or back maybe pick up loot, I don't care if there is a tutorial or not. but seriously when an MMO is complex, because it allow players to do hundreds of different things in the game. You need some sort of tutorial.

  • KonfessKonfess Dallas, TXPosts: 956Member Uncommon
    Most if not all games have a way to turn tutorials off. The real meaning behind this post, is wanting more players who don’t understand the game or interface so that “Tutorial Haters” can exploit them. What the OP and his brethren truly hate is a lack of nubes they can take advantage of.

    If you can’t turn off tutorials please make note of this in a bug report so that we can make a tutorial explaining how to do this for you. Really there is no sarcasm in that.

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  • Johnie-MarzJohnie-Marz La Puente, CAPosts: 865Member
    Originally posted by Konfess
    Really there is no sarcasm in that.

    Double sarcasm :)

  • AlcuinAlcuin Broken State, CAPosts: 310Member Uncommon
    EQ1 had an offline tutorial from day one. It was entirely optional, and honestly more of a theme park type "quest" than anything else in that game.

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  • ComanComan Hattem, AKPosts: 2,034Member Uncommon
    I prefer a tutorial over manuals. Just do not force me to do it over and over again.
  • dinamsdinams Muriae, VAPosts: 1,362Member
    Originally posted by bcbully

    Please get rid of tutorials.

     

    I think they do more harm than good for first impressions. After trying a new beta still under NDA, I just had to stop and say "man this sucks." Now I wasn't talking about the game it's self, because that felt good, real good, but the tutorial made me exit game.

     

    Give me a clear concise help center/guide/maual then let me figure it out. Stop this bad tutorial nonsense.

     

    /endrant

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