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GorweGorwe Ald'RuhnPosts: 2,476Member Uncommon

Right! I'll start as directly as I can:

f2p version of Vanguard bothers me. Can you enjoy yourself with it? Any way to buy classes or races(LoTRO style)? Because I adore Elves of all kinds and now I am limited. Not to mention that I wanted to play Druid(meh...) or Cleric(that can be done :D!).

Also, when we are at it, how good are the graphics? Oblivion level? Morrowind level? This could be pretty important Cuz I don't Like stiff animations. It makes combat...dull.

How beatiful is Telon? More importantly, how beautifully is the Water rendered(Water is very important to me...)?

Also, the limited housing due to f2p confuses me. Isn't it one of the pillars of Vanguard?

Also, how much can I get into Telon(you know, Roleplaying)? What RP Tools are present and how good are stories/quests/etc?

I ask all of this because it seems that Vanguard is my type of MMO, but before I get involved, I want to get absolutely positive that I want to actually play it...

And don't bother suggesting me to sub. The only game that is worthy of sub, in my eyes, is Rift. Because they have fast updates/bug free updates and friendly(LOL they define friendly!) Community relations.

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  • DirkinDirkin Manassas, VAPosts: 78Member

    Well, I can try to answer your questions. I have played VG since beta, through launch and ever since.

    I am, as such, not a f2p player. However, from what I've been able to tell from all the new folks around, f2p isn't too bad now. They eased up quite a bit on the gear restrictions and it has made things comfortable. All classes and races can be fully played up to level 20. The free races/classes are of course unlimited, and the other classes and races can be unlocked through items in the cash shop. Unlocking a race costs180 SC, and unlocking a class costs 750 SC when they are not on sale, and they are almost always on sale. Right now they are on sale for 424. So just over $5 to unlock a race/class combo atm.

    I personally love the graphics. I am not going to try and claim they are still the best and that new games and technology aren't any better, but I think graphically the game has aged very well. The environmental graphics are the best part, the character models are not as good but plenty sufficient for me, I've seen far far worse. With everything turned on highest settings, the world itself is quite majestic and striking.

    Unfortunately, f2p players cannot do anything with housing of their own at this time. The devs have been thinking about changing this aspect of the restrictions as well, but it has not happened yet.

    As far as roleplaying, I do not participate in that, but I have known several people to do so in VG, there are even a couple RP guilds around. The game lore and information provided by quests is actually quite deep. To fully get all of the stories, you have to both adventure/quest, and do diplomacy to talk to everyone all over the world. There is a LOT of background lore to the game overall.

    I have no idea if it will help or not, but you can take a look at a video I made recently. I've never made a video before, and I didn't really have a concrete plan going into it, so it's probably terrible. I bet I manage to bore most people enough in the beginning that they don't watch the whole thing. But I hope it can at least give you an idea what the game looks like! (watch it in 1080!)

    Here's a link to Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnHCGOxNxPY

  • GorweGorwe Ald'RuhnPosts: 2,476Member Uncommon

    Thanks Dirkin!

    I will, however, need at least three independent answers before I get into it.

  • StonesDKStonesDK SomewherePosts: 1,805Member

    It's free to try so why don't you. Nobody can tell you if you are going to like it.

     

    The combat animations are pretty bad

    The graphics are dated

    The game has around 400 - 600 players at max

     

    That's the bad, I'm sure somebody will post all the good

  • GorweGorwe Ald'RuhnPosts: 2,476Member Uncommon
    Please do not troll! Thank you.
  • MaelwyddMaelwydd CrawleyPosts: 1,123Member

    Just bought 3 months subs for £15 and so far enjoing the game a lot. Graphics are not great but good enough. The reason I bought the game was because it is huge and complex and sort of a throwback to older MMO's where it takes a long time to level, fast travel is limited and there is a world to explore. Having a lot of fun even if the place is empty. More players would make the game really cool but...the world is huge so doubt even a load of players would make a dent in how much space there is or the frequency of bumping into others.

    Give FTP a go, it is what persuaded me to buy 3 months as I really have no interest in anything else around atm or have maxed out what i was playing.

  • GorweGorwe Ald'RuhnPosts: 2,476Member Uncommon

    THREE MONTHS for FIFTEEN quids in TOTAL???

    Why that is quite some discount(sometimes you can pay up to five quids for a simple flurry/ice cream). Anyhow, I'll look some videos and follow from there. The race for my time currently features GW 2(although I dislike it, who knows? Maybe they turn it), Vanguard(huge, beautiful world with interesting classes and crafting) and TSW(I quite like conspiracy theories actually{yes I do own Vankin/Whalen's 50 Greatest Conspiracies of all time} and their systems intrigue me almost too much-not to mention that I'd rather have Dark Fantasy than High Fantasy). Choices, choices... :D

  • StonesDKStonesDK SomewherePosts: 1,805Member
    Originally posted by Gorwe
    Please do not troll! Thank you.

    Look up the definition of a troll, I think you missed the boat on the meaning of it

    1. You can try the game yourself. You don't need second opinions. The game is free (fact, no trolling)

    2. The headcounts can be done ingame at any given time and the numbers between 400 - 600 are fairly accurate (fact, no trolling)

    3. Combat animations as a weak point is an opinion but one many share. Can also be viewed on youtube and by yourself by following advice nr 1.

    4. Same as nr 3.

  • KanylKanyl a cold placePosts: 246Member Uncommon
    If you are OK with a small playerbase (but a very good one, maybe one of the best ever!), if you can handle slow, hard and less rewarding leveling (which I find fun sometimes), the F2P options (which are not bad, because you have to pay to play a game...really!) and so on, the game is great! I tried all classes before I made up my mind and after that I bought the class/race that I wanted to play. Now I have a game to play for free up to high levels, before I will hit the "wall", where I probably should buy a month and so on. The game is great and nothing is free. I don't see any reason why you not should invest some more hours, before you make up your mind for real!
  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,462Member Uncommon

    Telon's art design still holds up. It's a very beautiful world. so beautiful that that is how I play, I wander around enjoying the scenery and killing monsters along the way.

    I would say that I played rift and canceled my sub. I still sub to Vanguard. So in that case, due to my tastes, VAnguard is the one that deserves the sub.

    But you can try for yourself and see.

  • VonatarVonatar PraguePosts: 674Member Uncommon

    I've played VG off an on for years, though not really in the last year as I find it just too dated to look at now, plus I have seen a lot of the game already in my time.

     

    I think VG is a wonderful game for someone starting out in it. BUT, you will need to be patient and willing to look past the dated graphics and character models, the clunky animations, the slow combat and the old fashioned questing. Telon is a huge world with some really beautiful places and still the best sky/weather I have seen in any MMO. The questlines are deep and involving (last time I played I had a blast taking a character through the URT, Hunter's League and CIS armour/weapon quests again) and the crafting is excellent. As people have said the community is small though and you will need to find a nice guild (like Twighlyte Song if they're still around) as there is a lot of group content.

     

    It's free so just try it out and see if it resonates with you or not.

  • GorweGorwe Ald'RuhnPosts: 2,476Member Uncommon

    Thank You all for your advices! Yes, even you Starpower, even tho you are blocked :D

    I will try it. I guess that fan of Morrowind and those old school RPGs owes to himself to try something as rich as this. Plus, who says I can't play GW 2+VSOH+TSW concurrently(sure one will prevail, but meh)? i just care about, let's put it this way, that the world makes sense in the game. That you are not running around aimlessly like in your typical Themepark. In other words-immersion. Graphics are important for immersion, but seeing how I like Old Skool things and books(WTF is WRONG WITH ME??? :D), I guess that I can abridge that problem. Just as long as I feel immersed(tbh I'd buy instantly High Elf+some classes just to be sure-First Impressions are pretty important!).

    There. I played so many MMOs that did not resonate with me because they are built to resonate more with Oblivion/Skyrim/WoW playerbase and less with Morrowind/old Might and Magic/old Wizardry/book playerbase. I just hope that my current slew will not let me down... 

  • VonatarVonatar PraguePosts: 674Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Gorwe

     I played so many MMOs that did not resonate with me because they are built to resonate more with Oblivion/Skyrim/WoW playerbase and less with Morrowind/old Might and Magic/old Wizardry/book playerbase. I just hope that my current slew will not let me down... 

    I think you will find VG is MUCH more like Morrowind than Skyrim or WoW. These days MMOs are made to be shiny and exciting, but ultimately hollow and after a few months you're done with it. This is definitely how I feel about GW2. VG is the opposite though, like Everquest of old. It will take a bit of time to fall in love with it, but underneath it's immediate lack of appeal to the 2013 gamer it's a classic among the best MMOs.

  • kevjardskevjards carlislePosts: 1,463Member

    vanguard is probably my favourite mmo..i love the crafting because it was so deep,the diplomacy,the  adventuring...there is so much to do in-game.has for the person that mentioned 400-600 players..i,m not sure where he got that figure from but way more people play the game..i have recenely resubbed for 3 months..there is no other game on the market like this game..get y/self in a good guild and get into groups and you will love the game..just give it time is all i would say.like others have said..the combat is a bit clunky but let me tell you when you have a grp and someone uses a levitate spell off a mountain and the whole group are walking on air it looks amazing..we used to use it to drop in on trengal keep

    there is enough content for 1 char to last a couple of yrs easy..but i would recommend spending a few months in game on f2p to see if its for you..the game is not for everyone and you need to be patient.this is not a game where you get stuff quickly..its great that there are no instances apart from the end game raid area i believe.all dungeons in the main area are open dungeons.

  • GorweGorwe Ald'RuhnPosts: 2,476Member Uncommon

    Yeah. I don't even like speed(me being both ENFP and Pisces am an epitome of procrastination). I hate to zoom right through the content(well unless it's mindless content a la Diablo then the faster the better, nah scratch that! Even in Diablo you have to pay attention{Hardcore mode is my most favourite invention of all times!}).

    Ok Cleric and Sorcerer sound interesting from my point of view(besides Pally and Psion and Druid->the other three classes that interest me, perhaps even bard). And the more advanced the combat->the better. I want no macro/spam cr@p.

    I think I am going to like(I'll be cautious here and will not drop the L bomb) Vanguard...

  • StonesDKStonesDK SomewherePosts: 1,805Member
    Originally posted by kevjards

    for the person that mentioned 400-600 players..i,m not sure where he got that figure from but way more people play the game

    Counting people online is open to everyone. I'll gladly give you the commands

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5237531

  • kevjardskevjards carlislePosts: 1,463Member
    the bard is about the best class..you get the songbook and you can create whatever mixture of songs you like .they are especially good for grp buffs..i,e upping the dps with a damage song active by 600 % .probably more now,breathing underwater,the speed buffs are the best..i didnt even by a mount for my bard because the buff had me and the grp running just has fast at the time.but be careful with the bard also..they take a lot of damage .
  • GorweGorwe Ald'RuhnPosts: 2,476Member Uncommon

    Just one more sane, objective thought needed.

    In other words: "FINISH HIM!!!" :D xD

  • kevjardskevjards carlislePosts: 1,463Member
    Originally posted by Starpower
    Originally posted by kevjards

    for the person that mentioned 400-600 players..i,m not sure where he got that figure from but way more people play the game

    Counting people online is open to everyone. I'll gladly give you the commands

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5237531

    i,m not taking about the european server..that was dead long ago..its the telon server i believe its called has way more playing..but no point arguing..its insignificent really.has long as people still play and enjoy playing i dont see what the problem is.i moved all my chars from halgar 2 yrs ago

  • StonesDKStonesDK SomewherePosts: 1,805Member
    Originally posted by kevjards
    Originally posted by Starpower
    Originally posted by kevjards

    for the person that mentioned 400-600 players..i,m not sure where he got that figure from but way more people play the game

    Counting people online is open to everyone. I'll gladly give you the commands

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5237531

    i,m not taking about the european server..that was dead long ago..its the telon server i believe its called has way more playing..but no point arguing..its insignificent really.has long as people still play and enjoy playing i dont see what the problem is.i moved all my chars from halgar 2 yrs ago

    I know you don't want to hear it but that is the US server. I'm not the only one who has kept tabs after it went F2P. EU has around 100 - 150 people online at any given time which you can read about further down from somebody else if my word isn't good enough for you

     

    If you feel there are more than enough people playing then that's ok. If the guy doesn't care about how many plays than that's ok too. I'm not really bashing anybody here. It is what it is

     

    You don't really have to care either. You can check for yourself if curiosity gets the better of you. I think it would be awesome if a thousand people were online at some point. I just haven't seen it yet. Well that's not entirely true. There were 1500+ online during their free summer campaign in 2009. There would have been more if they had actually advertised it

  • olepiolepi Austin, TXPosts: 1,154Member Uncommon

    Vanguard is old-school, perhaps the real successor to EQ. 

    -The game world is huge, with no instances. Even going into a bldg or dungeon is not an instance. No loading screens.

    - There are no zone boundaries either, the world is totally wide open. See a mountain in the distance? Go explore it. The game is not on rails. Go explore a high level area if you want, and if you dare :)

    - Lots and lots of content. For each level, there are multiple areas to level in. You could level 2-3 characters to max, and not repeat anything.

    - no easy mode, and there are many areas a solo player just cannot get to. Many dungeons require groups.

    - crafting and diplomacy mini-games require attention, not just button mashing

    - lots of interesting classes and races

    As for the graphics, I think they are fine.

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    RIP City of Heroes. One of my favorite MMO's.

  • DirkinDirkin Manassas, VAPosts: 78Member

    Today's Patch:

     

    Free to Play

    ·We're pleased to offer substantial improvements to Vanguard for both free players and gold members! Our goal is to open up the game to free players while increasing the value of memberships.

     

    ·Free Players:

    o All races and classes available at character create without needing to unlock them

    o Can create guilds as well as join them

    o 2 plat coin limit has been removed

    o Quest limit has been raised to 50

    o All bag slots are now unlocked

    o Can now join Caravans and Brotherhoods

    o Broker and mail fee penalties have been removed, reducing costs to previous subscriber levels

    o Can purchase a housing plot.

    ·Gold Members:

    o 50% XP boost

    o Gain faction at double the normal rate

    o 20% discount on broker fees, mail fees, riftway fees, item repair, and housing upkeep

    o Can purchase 2 housing plots

    o In progress: Improved odds at receiving rare loot drops. (Coming in next week's update)

    o Your previous member benefits remain: more character slots, more bank slots, no item restrictions, 10% Marketplace discount, and 500 Station Cash per month.
     

    ·For more information about the Membership benefits, view the Membership feature matrix and read the FAQ.

    Veteran Rewards
    ·Previously existing veteran rewards are once again available. If your account has rewards available, you will see a message when you log in telling you that there are items waiting to be claimed.

    ·To receive rewards, open the Marketplace and click the Claim button near the bottom of the window.

    ·Note: This update only affects previously available rewards. New veteran rewards will be implemented in a future update.

    Marketplace

    ·Check out these new items:

    o Ground mount: Malson's Turtle Dragon - Ride in style on his sturdy shell

    o Visage of the Mummy - Just the thing to startle your group mates

    o Vanity Pet: Rock Troll - He may not say much, but he's ever at your side

    o Petamorph: Statue Cat - A fresh, if somewhat stony, look for your class pet

    ·Potion of Quickened Steps can now be consumed instantly

    ·Consumable items have been moved into the Services category

    ·Appearance slot armor and clothing have been combined into the Outfits category

    ·Mounts and Pets have been split into their own categories

    ·All marketplace boats are on sale. There's never been a better time to sail Telon's high seas!

    Items
    ·The Bloodmage epic should now operate according to its description. Pellets now work at 25 meters instead of 5. We advise you to use those gold pellets carefully!

    ·Azebaj Staff and Templar Staff of Delight now have appearances

    ·Time-Imbued Crystal and Fake Crystal are now marked as quest items

    ·Ripped Scale Gloves no longer have doubled stats

    ·The health regeneration effect of Magi Hold Spellwand will now persist for the entire 10 minutes of the ability

    ·Princess Freestone's Tiara now has Primal, Etherence, Infuse, and Rune enhancement slots

    ·Avarem's Messenger Bag now gives a 10% runspeed bonus that stacks with other effects

    ·The overall quality of Tharridon's loot has been improved. In addition, there have been some additional changes to specific pieces:

    o Ancient Breastplate now has Etherence, Primal, and Rune enhancement slots

    o Tharridon's Ring now has Etherence, Primal, and Rune enhancement slots

    o Tharridon's Mighty Maul now has a proc, and its damage has been corrected

    Abilities

    ·Druid - Switching to Hierophant's Blessing stance no longer triggers an auto-attack animation

    ·Bard and Light Fighter trainers will now offer the song component Mellarien's Chorus of Arms

    ·Shadow Vein should now open up chains on critical strikes

     

    They just eased up a ton on the f2p restrictions, and boosted the gold perks a bit to keep it desirable.

  • allegriaallegria San Francisco, CAPosts: 682Member

    Graphics are great when you look at the world and the dungeons... however characters and water not so great.

     

    What you get with vanguard is:

     

    1. Some of the best dungeons in any MMO ever

    2. Some of the best class designs in any MMO ever

    3. More content 1-40 than i have seen in any MMO ever

    4. Excellent crafting

    Never did the diplo thing so i can't comment...

    I have a ton of chars

    51 bmg/44 bard/43 dk/35 psi/35 disc/23 rng/ 37 shaman / 22 necro / 13 druid

     

    My favorities in order:

    Blood mage / psi / bard / DK / disc / ranger

    Like to get into necro more but she is my crafter ;)

  • GorweGorwe Ald'RuhnPosts: 2,476Member Uncommon

    O.0 =.O

    Am I seeing things? I will be able to play Vanguard MY way? That waffling rocks to the moon and back!!!

    And boy did you overdo the intro Dirkin. But what I saw, well, impressed me. Can't wait to dl it tomorrow.

    OMG and when I buy TSW to boot. WOW! What an awesome start of a year!

    :D :D xD

    edit: I have faith that they will update the water. It only needs a layer of two of shaders anyhow. 

  • DirkinDirkin Manassas, VAPosts: 78Member
    Yeah, I didn't realize how long I was just sitting there talking until I went back afterward and watched it. I was like holy crap nobody is going to sit through that whole thing. I put an annotation in that lets people skip it if they want, heh.
  • GorweGorwe Ald'RuhnPosts: 2,476Member Uncommon

    Just before I start:

    Telon's the right server, yes?

    Isle of Dawn or can I start in racial storylines? I'd prefer latter, but if former is way better I'll take that one.

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