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Originally posted by Mardukk Not a big fan of that EvE skill training. So basically I do nothing except to be online to advance? Doesn't sound too exciting. I don't mind grinding at least I'm doing something. Also how is PvE more meaningful if you don't have to do anything to advance? I imagine killing NPC's has to give you some kind of character progression/reward? I suppose as long as you do get something from killing mobs it wouldn't matter too much that skill training involves just being online.
Oh I don't know it will be as bad as that, but othr hand the game isn't going to supply your imagination for you either. For a change.
You don't have to even be online for experience to accrue, so you don't even have to be online to advance. I understand training of actual skills your experience qualitfies you for will be something you purchase. But 'something to do'? If it is sandbox you get to figure out what to do. It isn't, for once, a ride on rails at Six Flags it is instead what you and other players create. The game provides you with the tools and abilities you need to create your own story in the game, but it is up to you to create that story. And it really shouldn't be all that hard to craft your own tales when you can cast spells like fireball or gather a team to crush a hobgoblin encampment. Plus there is to be dynamic content such as goblin invasions and the like to defend your player-built settlement from. And there is also themepark-like places, such as the emerald spire 'superdungeon', each level of which is designed by a different author, some of whom are pretty famous, like Mike Stackpole (Mechwarrior) and Ed Greenwood (Forgotten Realms).
To dream, perhaps to be.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
Originally posted by Dakcenturi Grinding mobs will still provide loot and coin. Additionally, in order to advance some skills you have to earn certain merit badges which may require you to do things, possibly including killing so many mobs of a certain type or other things.
Perfect, just what I was looking for among other things. Sounds like a game that can be played in a number of different ways.
Originally posted by Dakcenturi One of the PFO community members wrote this up and thought it would be worth posting here to give people some more insight into PFO. Pathfinder Online is a fantasy sandbox MMO by Goblinworks based on the Pathfinder tabletop game. It uses a unique process called "Crowdforging" to determine what features are implemented in the game, in what order. Here is a brief list of some of the highlights of this game: 1. No Grinding- Pathfinder Online uses a skill training system like that of EVE Online. You train skills by choosing what skill you want to train and allowing the time required to elapse. You don't train any faster by farming mobs or spamming your abilities than you do exploring the world, role playing with your friends, or even being offline. You will need to complete certain achievements to complete a skill and open up new avenues of training, but time-based training means you always get full value from your purchased game time whether you're casual or 'hardcore', an adventurer or crafter, or one who enjoys a lot of roleplaying chat or one who spends much of their time in combat. 2. No Classes- Unlike other games that give you a narrow range of abilities as you train your class, in Pathfinder you gain levels in different Roles based off what you have trained. 3. Player Structures- Build your own homes, taverns, farms, and even cities! The Pathfinder Online world will be filled with places players can use to build and customize their own homes, businesses and communities. 4. Freedom of Allegiance- Unlike games that give you a few factions to pick from like Alliance vs. Horde, in Pathfinder Online you can join a vast array of organizations run by players, create your own organization, or even be a lone wolf! Fight for your friends, your ideals, power, profits, or personal freedom. The choice is yours. The alliances, the betrayals, crushing defeats and glorious victories are all real, meaningful, and player-driven. 5. More Than A Gankfest- Unlike other Open World PVP MMO's currently on the market, Pathfinder Online actively discourages meaningless PVP. A meaningful alignment system that actually offers mechanical advantages to lawful and good aligned organizations, and a functional bounty system that allows the player to choose which players and organizations can collect the bounties they set discourages random and meaningless killing. Beyond this, the admins are taking a hard stance against 'griefing', in which players specifically seek to ruin the experience of other players, often through using game mechanics in ways that weren't intended. Griefing in PFO can be a bannable offence. 6. Real Battles- Large scale combat won't be the total chaos most MMO players are used to. PFO will make use of a formation system that gives groups significant bonuses for fighting in formation and coordinating their ability usage. 7. Less Tedious Crafting- Crafting won't be done by sitting and watching your character create the same recipe over and over. First you build the structure you need for the kind of crafting you want to do, like a sawmill, bakery, or smithy. Then you fill out work orders that your NPC subordinates execute for you. Meanwhile, you can go do other things, or later in the game's development there may be activities you can do to help the process along. PFO will also launch with both traditional resource harvesting and camp-based harvesting. 8. More Meaningful PVE- NPCs aren't all just sitting there in groups which never move, never change in size, and respawn every few minutes. There will be random NPC infestations that escalate in severity if not dealt with. For instance, a goblin camp left undealt with may turn into a goblin tribe that begins attacking your harvesting camps. Leave dragons, vampires, or giants alone long enough and they may attack your town. This creates a need to work together to deal with these threats and generates demand for players who train abilities specialized for hunting NPC types like vampire hunters and dragon slayers. 9. All Players are Useful- This won't be like games where a new player has 49 health and a veteran has 49,000. The attacks from that new player won't automatically miss the veteran. A new player will be weaker, but still able to make a meaningful contribution to combat. As a sandbox where group sizes aren't limited, this means all players are useful, and don't have to segregate themselves by level. 10. Trade is Meaningful- In Pathfinder Online players must manually transport items to their intended destination. Most shops are player-run, and there will be goods more abundant in or even exclusive to certain regions. Merchants, traders, and even auctioneers are all viable professions.
I got an akward nerd boner reading this...
This is it for me.
No rat race to endgame then bitching about how another class killed you and so they are OP.
No penalty for being a no lifer and no penalty for having an active life, all are the same.
A system that doesnt have the game being all bloodthristy pvpers, where being a normal gamer is rewarded and pvpers pay for their crimes (im a pvper btw) I think the perfect balance of pvper gankers to normal gamers needs to be something like 60%+ normal 40%- ganker for the game not to be a suckfest. Was an issue with games like darkfall. You NEED carebears in the game, otherwise pvp sucks, you need there to be a reason to play without pvp being the sole focus as to why you login every day. You still need to have that option to go on a muderous rampage, or kill someone whos annoying in chat, or enemy to your clan ect. Or even being a general pain to play near (people will poor gaming manners deserve special fatalities in game btw)
The pve system of "deal with them or they deal with you" seems interesting, however i can see pve griefing...as in farming someones mob spawns because you know they are waiting for it to escalate to farm the good mobs or something...either way its different and i like it. Also, i like FARMING...not growing crops, but the ancient RPG act of farming mobs for loot, so long as the drops are interesting and usefull...this game sounds like it has that.
This to me looks like EVE meets UO....and if they can get the basics done right...meaning a polished and smooth running client, combat thats functional, entertaining and buttery smooth...and a world that doesnt look like ass.....well...this is going to be a game ill be playing for years.
Can these people PLEASE focus on making a smooth running client and enjoyable and professional combat system first before they dump their awesome feature list into some placeholder combat system as so many failed sandboxes have done? PLEASE! Failing at this will be another cruel joke played upon sandboxers who put up with so much crap and so many delays for subpar products.
I really have a hard time calling them Indie. They have several people from around the industry with experience. On top of that, Paizo is pretty well recieved by it's community (and they have some really great moderators and customer service as well.)