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Reporting on Makeb being the "gay planet"

FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 2,928Member Uncommon

I never really thought of it this way, but it gives the appearance that same sex relationships is delegated to a remote corner of the galaxy.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/423849/20130114/star-wars-old-republic-sgr-gay-planet.htm

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  • tiefighter25tiefighter25 Winchester, MAPosts: 937Member

    Personally I'm a bit bewildered why people are surprised that Bioware is adding the Same-Sex romance option; it's Bioware.

    Then again, they did try to have their cake and eat it too with their, we have no SGR yet, but will some day launch stance.

    They would have been better off just having it to begin with, less feathers ruffled if you knew what you were getting into.

    BUT....

    To be perfectly honest, I don't understand why anyone would want to play a MMO to "romance" an NPC in the first place, gay, hetero, or anything in between.

    I prefer the tried and true system where an oversexed guy pretends to be a lesbian to cyber with a real life girl, who he finds out months later is also an oversexed guy pretending to be a lesbian.

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon

    It is just making SWTOR and even Star Wars tacky.

    If it was in the game from the start and all over, then it may have gotten away with it, but advertising it and making a big deal out of it, will make the game suffer.

    They should just keep it in other mature games and save it for Mass Effect Online if they ever decide to do that.

  • ObiClownobiObiClownobi CoruscantPosts: 186Member
    Originally posted by tiefighter25

     

    I prefer the tried and true system where an oversexed guy pretends to be a lesbian to cyber with a real life girl, who he finds out months later is also an oversexed guy pretending to be a lesbian.

    Lol.

    on a serious note, and not aimed at you tf25, no one is forcing anything on anyone, just have faith in your ability to choose not to flirt with male NPCs.

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  • tiefighter25tiefighter25 Winchester, MAPosts: 937Member
    In that case, I'm pretty sure beating your scantly clad, slave copmpanion and then "romancing" her would fall into either the mature and/or tacky category as well.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,784Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by tiefighter25

    Then again, they did try to have their cake and eat it too with their, we have no SGR yet, but will some day launch stance.

    That sounds to me like neither having your cake nor eating it.  That would convince people who are offended that SGR will be in eventually not to pick up the game in the first place, convince people who think it really needs SGR not to play the game yet because they need to wait for SGR, and annoy everyone else who doesn't care either way that they're wasting development resources on it.

  • tiefighter25tiefighter25 Winchester, MAPosts: 937Member
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by tiefighter25

    Then again, they did try to have their cake and eat it too with their, we have no SGR yet, but will some day launch stance.

    That sounds to me like neither having your cake nor eating it.  That would convince people who are offended that SGR will be in eventually not to pick up the game in the first place, convince people who think it really needs SGR not to play the game yet because they need to wait for SGR, and annoy everyone else who doesn't care either way that they're wasting development resources on it.

    Well in a ay both are correct. From their forums, it would seem the pr- SGR camp figured the SGR would come some day, and the con-SGR camp thought it would never make it into the game. Bioware managed to put it off for over a year. Now the chickens come home to roost. (Only on Makeb mind you.)

  • crack_foxcrack_fox WellingtonPosts: 402Member

    I don't know why this is such a contentious issue for many people. We're talking about same-sex flirt dialog options in a game that already allows players to commit deliciously evil acts in other cut scenes. Early in the game I got the opportunity to execute a man while his son watched. That's ok, at least my male toon didn't have the option to kiss the dude - that would have been totally unacceptable, right? Probably would have had to uninstall the game in disgust. 

    Now I can understand religious objections, and I appreciate the civility of those whose beliefs have not yet rendered them incapable of expressing those objections without threats or violence. Equally, I don't particularly like vociferous secular fundamentalists intent on imposing their own lefty notions of progress on everyone else - even when I am sympathetic to their causes. But I genuinely struggle to understand why SGRs are such a hot topic in games in which you traditionally progress by systematically murdering thousands and looting their corpses. For those whose objections are born out of adherence to religious scripture, doesn't this directly contravene at least two of the ten commandments? And unlike the option to flirt with a character of the same sex, that violence is not something you can choose to avoid. 

    Anyway, to address the issue of the 'gay planet', Bioware should probably have had SGRs available from the onset or not implemented them at all. My murderous Sith warrior was castigated for not being decisive when he chose to let an innocent alien prisoner remain in jail instead of freeing or executing him. There is a lot to be said for sticking to your line, especially when you're inevitably going to annoy one faction or another. 

     

  • ignore_meignore_me Apple Valley, CAPosts: 1,987Member
    Well now you can experience a different sexual orientation at 18 frames per second with little diversity in game mechanics, environment, or exploration.

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  • the420kidthe420kid Hamilton, ONPosts: 440Member Uncommon

    I am all for same sex marriage male or female its your business to do whatever the heck you want and I am very much cool with that concept HOWEVER..

    I am not cool with a company wasting its freaking efforts on lore based content to amuse people thats just a total slap in the face to gamers who want actual game content.  Swtor has made some serious direction / focus mistakes in the past and they are heading towards it again focused on the wrong thing, if anything same sex relationships should just come with an xpac as part of the xpac not a content update they are working hard to provide.

    They refused to merge servers, the didnt bring rated wz's when promised.  I was loving the wz's when I was playing but without the merge ques became 1hr and that just pushed me out of the game if only they would have offered transfers or merges but hey thats the past I just hope it isnt a sign of the future...

  • KarteliKarteli Providence, PAPosts: 2,646Member

    It's been mentioned before how adding specific areas for SGRA would be a bad idea, since there will undoubtedly be no explaination why it doesn't happen anywhere else in the galaxy.  Companions should have been the better route for this, with maybe scattered romance here and there for NPC's - same or different sex.  A choice of the player.  .. if EA adds SGRA to Makeb, then I'm going to expect it with every expansion.

     

    Well the story hit a major cable news network (website & airtime):

    ‘Star Wars’ game segregates gay characters on gay planet

    http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/01/14/star-wars-game-segregates-gay-characters-on-gay-planet/

    , so I guess it's a matter of time before the others pick it up.  I expect soccer moms everywhere to be throwing conniptions.

     

    It's great publicity though, I suppose... mustering up those who rebel against society (current direction, political sensitivity issues, etc), which would account for quite a few.   Way, way cheaper than running commercials.  EA marketing comes through again!  (I wish their game designers / developers were just as good, but that's another story).

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  • Slappy1Slappy1 columbus, OHPosts: 458Member

    I have no problem with EA/BW putting sgr in the game,but why only with npc's on Makeb?People have been asking for this since release and now it's confined to 1 planet to start.

    I guess it's possible that the poor sub retention and cut's may have played into this,or is it a shut up and be happy with this attitude??

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  • ignore_meignore_me Apple Valley, CAPosts: 1,987Member
    Originally posted by Slappy1

    I have no problem with EA/BW putting sgr in the game,but why only with npc's on Makeb?People have been asking for this since release and now it's confined to 1 planet to start.

    I guess it's possible that the poor sub retention and cut's may have played into this,or is it a shut up and be happy with this attitude??

    Because that would require them going back and fixing something in the original content. This would be like making a clean spot on a dirty floor, now you have to do the whole thing. They can't start down that road. They don't have the ability.  

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  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser ParisPosts: 1,873Member
    Originally posted by superniceguy

    It is just making SWTOR and even Star Wars tacky.

    If it was in the game from the start and all over, then it may have gotten away with it, but advertising it and making a big deal out of it, will make the game suffer.

    They should just keep it in other mature games and save it for Mass Effect Online if they ever decide to do that.

    I don't know when people will get over same sex relationships and just move on with their lives. You clearly don't support it so even if it was from start you would still call it tacky.  

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  • Slappy1Slappy1 columbus, OHPosts: 458Member
    Originally posted by ignore_me
    Originally posted by Slappy1

    I have no problem with EA/BW putting sgr in the game,but why only with npc's on Makeb?People have been asking for this since release and now it's confined to 1 planet to start.

    I guess it's possible that the poor sub retention and cut's may have played into this,or is it a shut up and be happy with this attitude??

    Because that would require them going back and fixing something in the original content. This would be like making a clean spot on a dirty floor, now you have to do the whole thing. They can't start down that road. They don't have the ability.  

    The thing that bother's me though is,I'm pretty sure this was asked for in beta.I believe they said it may happen,but nothing certain.

    You're right though,in the end there's no way they could go back and re-do the original game once it was released.The money involved in v/a and implementing it into the story would be too much to ask.

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  • ktanner3ktanner3 lakeland, FLPosts: 4,074Member Common

    I have no problem with it. 

    -For the people saying "It's taking time away from blah blah blah..." that's a load of horse manure. They aren't going back and rewriting what is already there. They're putting it in with content that is going to be released in the spring. If you have a problem with that then you need to avoid Bioware games. 

    -The game is rated "T" for teen so for any parent that gripes "now I have to explain sex to my children" I ask why are you allowing them to play this game in the first place? The game has brutal death scenes and violence along with romance options. If you have no problem with your children seeing that then don't bitch about this. 

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  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by crack_fox

    I don't know why this is such a contentious issue for many people. We're talking about same-sex flirt dialog options in a game that already allows players to commit deliciously evil acts in other cut scenes. Early in the game I got the opportunity to execute a man while his son watched. That's ok, at least my male toon didn't have the option to kiss the dude - that would have been totally unacceptable, right? Probably would have had to uninstall the game in disgust. 

    Now I can understand religious objections, and I appreciate the civility of those whose beliefs have not yet rendered them incapable of expressing those objections without threats or violence. Equally, I don't particularly like vociferous secular fundamentalists intent on imposing their own lefty notions of progress on everyone else - even when I am sympathetic to their causes. But I genuinely struggle to understand why SGRs are such a hot topic in games in which you traditionally progress by systematically murdering thousands and looting their corpses. For those whose objections are born out of adherence to religious scripture, doesn't this directly contravene at least two of the ten commandments? And unlike the option to flirt with a character of the same sex, that violence is not something you can choose to avoid. 

    Anyway, to address the issue of the 'gay planet', Bioware should probably have had SGRs available from the onset or not implemented them at all. My murderous Sith warrior was castigated for not being decisive when he chose to let an innocent alien prisoner remain in jail instead of freeing or executing him. There is a lot to be said for sticking to your line, especially when you're inevitably going to annoy one faction or another. 

     

    You answered the question in your 1st sentence of the 1st paragraph with what you said in the 1st sentence of the last paragraph

    Plus it is Star Wars. There is a time and place for everything, and family entertainment is not usually the place for this.

    Also it is being advertised and being made a big deal of. Apparently Rift has SG marriages but I did not know that, and is just worked into the mechanics, and is something not being a big deal of

    I can imagine if some kids did play this, they would be immature about it and start mocking these NPCs and laughing at them etc, and maybe hurl abuse at other players

    Parents may even deem the game too violent for their kids, and ban them from it already, but they know what it is about. There is currently no SGR in SWTOR, but soon there will be, and will change things.

     

  • ignore_meignore_me Apple Valley, CAPosts: 1,987Member
    Originally posted by ktanner3

    I have no problem with it. 

    -For the people saying "It's taking time away from blah blah blah..." that's a load of horse manure. They aren't going back and rewriting what is already there. They're putting it in with content that is going to be released in the spring. If you have a problem with that then you need to avoid Bioware games. 

    -The game is rated "T" for teen so for any parent that gripes "now I have to explain sex to my children" I ask why are you allowing them to play this game in the first place? The game has brutal death scenes and violence along with romance options. If you have no problem with your children seeing that then don't bitch about this. 

    -It doesn't take much time to re-color items and put them on the Cartel store. They have plenty of time to do whatever, they just won't/can't. Makeb was probably finished last year when they had 80% more staff.

    -I agree with you, this is much ado about nothing.

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  • Slappy1Slappy1 columbus, OHPosts: 458Member
    Originally posted by ignore_me
    Originally posted by ktanner3

    I have no problem with it. 

    -For the people saying "It's taking time away from blah blah blah..." that's a load of horse manure. They aren't going back and rewriting what is already there. They're putting it in with content that is going to be released in the spring. If you have a problem with that then you need to avoid Bioware games. 

    -The game is rated "T" for teen so for any parent that gripes "now I have to explain sex to my children" I ask why are you allowing them to play this game in the first place? The game has brutal death scenes and violence along with romance options. If you have no problem with your children seeing that then don't bitch about this. 

    -It doesn't take much time to re-color items and put them on the Cartel store. They have plenty of time to do whatever, they just won't/can't. Makeb was probably finished last year when they had 80% more staff.

    -I agree with you, this is much ado about nothing.

    Lol,just reading your 1st sentence about re-color items for Cartel store.It's true and they can't even get the color's right.There's been many complaint's about the images on the pack's not matching the end result.

    Someone at EA/BW need's some freakin glasses!

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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread PshPosts: 5,501Member Uncommon
    It's likely that every future planet added to the game will be a "gay planet." Makeb won't be alone for long.
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    There shall be so many Unfortunate Implications it's not even funny.
  • ObiClownobiObiClownobi CoruscantPosts: 186Member
    Originally posted by Psychow

    Wait, you have to PAY to be gay?

     

    Wouldn't they have made more money if they charged you to NOT be gay? You start off in a same sex relationship, but after paying a fee, you are able to explore flirtatious dialogue options with the opposite sex!!

    Or give a slight damage/XP bonus for gay scenes and see how fast people's "principles" last.

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  • Ramonski7Ramonski7 Aurora, ILPosts: 2,656Member Uncommon

    Honestly if the only reason that BW are making these changes is because of activist influences/pressures outside of the gaming community then I want no part of it. It only leaves the door cracked for the next group and the next group and before you know it law makers will be influencing things like level of violence, amount of blood, swear words per sentence or any other form of rediculous censorship they deem worthy. Religious groups, PTAs and government regulators are gonna have a field day with this example.

     

    I say let the devs make whatever screwed up version of games they want to make and let the masses that will be actually playing decide. Games are a form of entertainment and escapism created to turn profits, not political tools created to influence public thinking on hot button social issues. If a player or a group of players cannot find enough freedom within the game to satisfy their real world social needs then I say they are playing for the wrong damn reason.

     

    Ask yourself why do you have to wear your lifestyle on your sleeve within the confines of a video game? I personally have never seen such a movement to include issues of race or religion before in these games. I've been playing mmos for years and I have never gotten upset that dark-skinned npcs are not nearly shown as much as light-skinned ones. Or gotten upset because I cannot create a black npc to match my own skin tone. But for some reason SWTOR and this gay issue is being made into a social statement about the unfair and unjust treatment of all players who want to feel gay within the game. Bullocks! I say let the polls, player request and data speak for itself. If the playing population really felt that strongly about this then the evidence would speak for itself.

     

    So far all I'm seeing is a few people trying to keep this issue from settling in the hopes that it finally catches enough steam. All I can say is that be careful what you wish for. Don't believe for a second that GLAAD are the only group of buzzards circling TOR's dying carcuss hoping for a easy meal.

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  • ElikalElikal ValhallaPosts: 7,906Member Uncommon

    Oh a gay planet?

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  • TelondarielTelondariel Ottawa, ONPosts: 1,001Member
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    I never really thought of it this way, but it gives the appearance that same sex relationships is delegated to a remote corner of the galaxy.

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/423849/20130114/star-wars-old-republic-sgr-gay-planet.htm

    This topic has been brought up twice before.  The last time was..last week?  Both threads got locked in a day.

    Good luck with this one.

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  • VorthanionVorthanion Laguna Vista, TXPosts: 2,119Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by tiefighter25

    Personally I'm a bit bewildered why people are surprised that Bioware is adding the Same-Sex romance option; it's Bioware.

    Then again, they did try to have their cake and eat it too with their, we have no SGR yet, but will some day launch stance.

    They would have been better off just having it to begin with, less feathers ruffled if you knew what you were getting into.

    BUT....

    To be perfectly honest, I don't understand why anyone would want to play a MMO to "romance" an NPC in the first place, gay, hetero, or anything in between.

    I prefer the tried and true system where an oversexed guy pretends to be a lesbian to cyber with a real life girl, who he finds out months later is also an oversexed guy pretending to be a lesbian.

    We aren't looking specifically for romance in computer games.  What we are though is tired of being subjected to a 'straight' point of view on all content design.  We'd like to see a gay point of view on occassion without having to browbeat the developers to get it.  In this day and age of greater acceptance, we shouldn't have to 'persuade' developers to keep us in mind when making content.

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