the only thing it is missing is a western publisher.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
the only thing it is missing is a western publisher.
maybe not the only thing but what it misss the most.
Same thought i had when I saw the title.
Also had the same thought. The game needs a developer and some followers with a bit of common sense. GW2 is a lost case on this regard. Judging from the OP's attitude towards other games, Archeage is not on a good foot either.
Bigotry is not a good sign of a healthy community.
the only thing it is missing is a western publisher.
maybe not the only thing but what it misss the most.
Same thought i had when I saw the title.
Also had the same thought. The game needs a developer and some followers with a bit of common sense. GW2 is a lost case on this regard. Judging from the OP's attitude towards other games, Archeage is not on a good foot either.
Bigotry is not a good sign of a healthy community.
Wow, you give these speeches in every game forum? I guess you have to, since using your logic every community is bad.
Not every community, no. We're not even a "community" in the sense of being a percentage of people playing MMOs, we're such a small insignificant minority, it's not even funny.
Still, Archeage seem to have a lot of thins in its favor in terms of features. It certainly does not need people like the OP taking obvious stabs at other games, that behavior is usually reserved for games with issues.
Anyway, I'm as much to blame as the OP I guess, for swallowing his obvious troll bait.
the only thing it is missing is a western publisher.
maybe not the only thing but what it misss the most.
Same thought i had when I saw the title.
Also had the same thought. The game needs a developer and some followers with a bit of common sense. GW2 is a lost case on this regard. Judging from the OP's attitude towards other games, Archeage is not on a good foot either.
Bigotry is not a good sign of a healthy community.
fanboyism is like war, it will always exist
"It has potential" -Second most used phrase on existence "It sucks" -Most used phrase on existence
Well, nothing wrong with player created content, i'd love to visit a brothel where femme fatalles dance on poles, or where you can rent a hooker for 30 minutes... Adding to the games economy, i would love to be the pimp pushing those poor souls around and taking their money...
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
For me personally(this conotates that its my opinion)...
1)Non-tab targeting
2)Publisher
3)The gathering nodes look more like themepark nodes, than sandbox resources. The mining resources specifically. Im not sure if you can mine any rock you see though or just the shiny ones. Again, I may be wrong about this.
4)First-person only
5)Full Loot (do items even have durability without the option to repair them?)
5)Full Loot (do items even have durability without the option to repair them?)
more casual stuff is being added to AA lately, durability is to hardcore.
So no durability because only crafters liked that idea? So craters get crapped on again. Durability is in so many games and not a huge deal. The amount of money you make from quests, loot, missions, selling stuff you are telling me they cant afford a few $$$ to repair an item? Seriously?
Going to be another loot based economy? Or did i misread that?
5)Full Loot (do items even have durability without the option to repair them?)
more casual stuff is being added to AA lately, durability is to hardcore.
So no durability because only crafters liked that idea? So craters get crapped on again. Durability is in so many games and not a huge deal. The amount of money you make from quests, loot, missions, selling stuff you are telling me they cant afford a few $$$ to repair an item? Seriously?
Going to be another loot based economy? Or did i misread that?
First i will tell you the experiments with the repair system, durability was always present part of the items:
1. until CBT4, to repair an item you had to go to a blacksmith and pay him gold to do it.
2. end of CBT4, they added a new system to experiment with, in this system to repair an item you had to sacrifice another item (using one item to repair another item), some way of item sink, but eventually they went back to:
3. repair items with gold, and the blacksmith.
Another thing Song is talking about is how to upgrade the items, and that looks like this, you craft a level 20 item, use that item and more resources to craft the level 24 item, then again use that item+mats to craft the level 30 item... this way up to level 50 item. There is a chance that the crafting will fail and the item gets lost, that chance of fail is higher with the items level.
So to get a level 50 item you need to go through this process 20-24-30-34-40-44-50, with a chance to fail, also there are 2 random stats being generated each time for the item which can be from +1 to +9 (attribute bonus, the usual stats STR, DEX...etc). Btw we are talking about set items, each armor set consist of 7 items (7 items level 20, 7 items level 24), and ofc using 3, 5, 7 items from the set you will get various bonuses. And now the next random factor about crafting level 44+ items, there are more version of sets, for level 44 there are 4 sets for each cloth/leather/plate armor type, until then it was only 1 per level. So again you need to be lucky to get the right set part at level 44.
As you see there are many random factors when crafting armors (its different for weapons and accessory, for them you have random rarity too, didn't notice that with set items).
And to get the best endgame gear won't be easy like in themepark MMO's, and won't happen fast, it will be time consuming, which is good.
5)Full Loot (do items even have durability without the option to repair them?)
more casual stuff is being added to AA lately, durability is to hardcore.
So no durability because only crafters liked that idea? So craters get crapped on again. Durability is in so many games and not a huge deal. The amount of money you make from quests, loot, missions, selling stuff you are telling me they cant afford a few $$$ to repair an item? Seriously?
Going to be another loot based economy? Or did i misread that?
First i will tell you the experiments with the repair system, durability was always present part of the items:
1. until CBT4, to repair an item you had to go to a blacksmith and pay him gold to do it.
2. end of CBT4, they added a new system to experiment with, in this system to repair an item you had to sacrifice another item (using one item to repair another item), some way of item sink, but eventually they went back to:
3. repair items with gold, and the blacksmith.
Another thing Song is talking about is how to upgrade the items, and that looks like this, you craft a level 20 item, use that item and more resources to craft the level 24 item, then again use that item+mats to craft the level 30 item... this way up to level 50 item. There is a chance that the crafting will fail and the item gets lost, that chance of fail is higher with the items level.
So to get a level 50 item you need to go through this process 20-24-30-34-40-44-50, with a chance to fail, also there are 2 random stats being generated each time for the item which can be from +1 to +9 (attribute bonus, the usual stats STR, DEX...etc). Btw we are talking about set items, each armor set consist of 7 items (7 items level 20, 7 items level 24), and ofc using 3, 5, 7 items from the set you will get various bonuses. And now the next random factor about crafting level 44+ items, there are more version of sets, for level 44 there are 4 sets for each cloth/leather/plate armor type, until then it was only 1 per level. So again you need to be lucky to get the right set part at level 44.
As you see there are many random factors when crafting armors (its different for weapons and accessory, for them you have random rarity too, didn't notice that with set items).
And to get the best endgame gear won't be easy like in themepark MMO's, and won't happen fast, it will be time consuming, which is good.
Doesnt seem bad. Think i played another game with almost the same design.
Thanks for clearing that up. Love my crafting
So take it crafting will be a singluar job (one item at a time) and no way to mass produce items (like potions)?
5)Full Loot (do items even have durability without the option to repair them?)
more casual stuff is being added to AA lately, durability is to hardcore.
So no durability because only crafters liked that idea? So craters get crapped on again. Durability is in so many games and not a huge deal. The amount of money you make from quests, loot, missions, selling stuff you are telling me they cant afford a few $$$ to repair an item? Seriously?
Going to be another loot based economy? Or did i misread that?
I don't think you misread it at all. This is a game killer for me since crafting is why I play MMO's. Without decay/durability, I won't leave my current lackluster crafting system for another to start over in.
For me personally(this conotates that its my opinion)...
1)Non-tab targeting
2)Publisher
3)The gathering nodes look more like themepark nodes, than sandbox resources. The mining resources specifically. Im not sure if you can mine any rock you see though or just the shiny ones. Again, I may be wrong about this.
4)First-person only
5)Full Loot (do items even have durability without the option to repair them?)
I have yet to be convinced that a tab targeting system is inferior to a non-tab targeting system. One makes the game a game of skill shots, while the other leaves room for more variation and complexity.
5)Full Loot (do items even have durability without the option to repair them?)
more casual stuff is being added to AA lately, durability is to hardcore.
So no durability because only crafters liked that idea? So craters get crapped on again. Durability is in so many games and not a huge deal. The amount of money you make from quests, loot, missions, selling stuff you are telling me they cant afford a few $$$ to repair an item? Seriously?
Going to be another loot based economy? Or did i misread that?
First i will tell you the experiments with the repair system, durability was always present part of the items:
1. until CBT4, to repair an item you had to go to a blacksmith and pay him gold to do it.
2. end of CBT4, they added a new system to experiment with, in this system to repair an item you had to sacrifice another item (using one item to repair another item), some way of item sink, but eventually they went back to:
3. repair items with gold, and the blacksmith.
Another thing Song is talking about is how to upgrade the items, and that looks like this, you craft a level 20 item, use that item and more resources to craft the level 24 item, then again use that item+mats to craft the level 30 item... this way up to level 50 item. There is a chance that the crafting will fail and the item gets lost, that chance of fail is higher with the items level.
So to get a level 50 item you need to go through this process 20-24-30-34-40-44-50, with a chance to fail, also there are 2 random stats being generated each time for the item which can be from +1 to +9 (attribute bonus, the usual stats STR, DEX...etc). Btw we are talking about set items, each armor set consist of 7 items (7 items level 20, 7 items level 24), and ofc using 3, 5, 7 items from the set you will get various bonuses. And now the next random factor about crafting level 44+ items, there are more version of sets, for level 44 there are 4 sets for each cloth/leather/plate armor type, until then it was only 1 per level. So again you need to be lucky to get the right set part at level 44.
As you see there are many random factors when crafting armors (its different for weapons and accessory, for them you have random rarity too, didn't notice that with set items).
And to get the best endgame gear won't be easy like in themepark MMO's, and won't happen fast, it will be time consuming, which is good.
But that's not going to go over well in the west. It seems the east likes their gambling and chance games (something I was also told by a Lineage 2 Senior Game Master at a Gen Con) but whenver there is random anything it seems that players in the west don't like it.
They don't want "a chance to lose an item" based on a random number generator.
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But that's not going to go over well in the west. It seems the east likes their gambling and chance games (something I was also told by a Lineage 2 Senior Game Master at a Gen Con) but whenver there is random anything it seems that players in the west don't like it.
They don't want "a chance to lose an item" based on a random number generator.
Yeah, most of the players on the west can't stand the gambling and losing of stuffs, they like to get stuff easily. However there are many of us, who still like these types of games more, because its more challenging.
And i don't care how many people will be play AA on the west, i don't expect to have millions of subscribers as WoW, GW2... Player numbers doesn't mean quality anymore!
But that's not going to go over well in the west. It seems the east likes their gambling and chance games (something I was also told by a Lineage 2 Senior Game Master at a Gen Con) but whenver there is random anything it seems that players in the west don't like it.
They don't want "a chance to lose an item" based on a random number generator.
Yeah, most of the players on the west can't stand the gambling and losing of stuffs, they like to get stuff easily. However there are many of us, who still like these types of games more, because its more challenging.
And i don't care how many people will be play AA on the west, i don't expect to have millions of subscribers as WoW, GW2... Player numbers doesn't mean quality anymore!
What's "challenging" about a random number generator?
"You are all going to poop yourselves." BillMurphy
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone."
But that's not going to go over well in the west. It seems the east likes their gambling and chance games (something I was also told by a Lineage 2 Senior Game Master at a Gen Con) but whenver there is random anything it seems that players in the west don't like it.
They don't want "a chance to lose an item" based on a random number generator.
Yeah, most of the players on the west can't stand the gambling and losing of stuffs, they like to get stuff easily. However there are many of us, who still like these types of games more, because its more challenging.
And i don't care how many people will be play AA on the west, i don't expect to have millions of subscribers as WoW, GW2... Player numbers doesn't mean quality anymore!
What's "challenging" about a random number generator?
It's not that I/we don't like a challenge, but we don't like our games to feel like jobs. We like them to be games, they're for fun, immersion, etc. I don't find the prospect of losing all my stuff cuz of some jerk ganking me to be fun, I find it obnoxious. Challenges should come from the actual gameplay/content. Dungeons should be challenging, my walking across a field to farm materials for crafting shouldn't be frought with challenges and the risk of losing everything I've worked hard for in the past lol. There are plenty of ways you can make a game challenging without making it feel like you've been totally effed over cause some dude across the country is feeling pressed that day. I played WoW for years, I play GW2 currently but I've also played sandbox games and enjoyed them for what they were. I'm capable of liking multiple types of games, and AA is a hybrid between the two which is what I'm looking for, so I'm sure I will really enjoy it at least for a while. By the way, the whole "western players don't like this or that" thing is an outdated argument, I've heard many japanese and korean players complain about the same things with the games over there, I've had conversations with eastern players about the "difference in philosophy" and by and large they're not all THAT different anymore. Many of them don't like grindy & repetitive leveling, they just dealt with it because that's all that was ever available until recently. It's not so black/white anymore..
Not every community, no. We're not even a "community" in the sense of being a percentage of people playing MMOs, we're such a small insignificant minority, it's not even funny.
Still, Archeage seem to have a lot of thins in its favor in terms of features. It certainly does not need people like the OP taking obvious stabs at other games, that behavior is usually reserved for games with issues.
Anyway, I'm as much to blame as the OP I guess, for swallowing his obvious troll bait.
I tend to agree with the OP that if a person is to wear armor to protect themselves from being slashed to death with swords, they wouldn't make it as skimpy and as sexy as possible.
I guess I'm a bigot who is filled with hate though?
But that's not going to go over well in the west. It seems the east likes their gambling and chance games (something I was also told by a Lineage 2 Senior Game Master at a Gen Con) but whenver there is random anything it seems that players in the west don't like it.
They don't want "a chance to lose an item" based on a random number generator.
Yeah, most of the players on the west can't stand the gambling and losing of stuffs, they like to get stuff easily. However there are many of us, who still like these types of games more, because its more challenging.
And i don't care how many people will be play AA on the west, i don't expect to have millions of subscribers as WoW, GW2... Player numbers doesn't mean quality anymore!
I'm going to have to go with Gwapo...
I don't mind losing stuff. Not at all. But I would rather have it be because of some mistake on my part, or an actual test of skill maybe (?) as opposed to a dice rolling.
If a "challenge" is a test of one's ability then I want my ability tested. And again, if losing means "losing an item or xp or a level" then so be it.
But based on a dice roll? Not that I won't play Archeage but that part is not my cup of tea.
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not in my fantasy *sing
the only thing it is missing is a western publisher.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
seriously its a sign of fresh air, no more plate bikinis or women with thong stocking mages.
For once its real armour and clothing.
server is up
maybe not the only thing but what it misss the most.
Same thought i had when I saw the title.
Also had the same thought. The game needs a developer and some followers with a bit of common sense. GW2 is a lost case on this regard. Judging from the OP's attitude towards other games, Archeage is not on a good foot either.
Bigotry is not a good sign of a healthy community.
This. Seriously, when is this going to happen?
the only thing its missing is non tab target system
Wow, you give these speeches in every game forum? I guess you have to, since using your logic every community is bad.
Not every community, no. We're not even a "community" in the sense of being a percentage of people playing MMOs, we're such a small insignificant minority, it's not even funny.
Still, Archeage seem to have a lot of thins in its favor in terms of features. It certainly does not need people like the OP taking obvious stabs at other games, that behavior is usually reserved for games with issues.
Anyway, I'm as much to blame as the OP I guess, for swallowing his obvious troll bait.
fanboyism is like war, it will always exist
"It has potential"
-Second most used phrase on existence
"It sucks"
-Most used phrase on existence
Well, nothing wrong with player created content, i'd love to visit a brothel where femme fatalles dance on poles, or where you can rent a hooker for 30 minutes... Adding to the games economy, i would love to be the pimp pushing those poor souls around and taking their money...
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
For me personally(this conotates that its my opinion)...
1)Non-tab targeting
2)Publisher
3)The gathering nodes look more like themepark nodes, than sandbox resources. The mining resources specifically. Im not sure if you can mine any rock you see though or just the shiny ones. Again, I may be wrong about this.
4)First-person only
5)Full Loot (do items even have durability without the option to repair them?)
6) Fully skill based- (wheres swimming/climbing/taste identification) skill?
more casual stuff is being added to AA lately, durability is to hardcore.
So no durability because only crafters liked that idea? So craters get crapped on again. Durability is in so many games and not a huge deal. The amount of money you make from quests, loot, missions, selling stuff you are telling me they cant afford a few $$$ to repair an item? Seriously?
Going to be another loot based economy? Or did i misread that?
First i will tell you the experiments with the repair system, durability was always present part of the items:
1. until CBT4, to repair an item you had to go to a blacksmith and pay him gold to do it.
2. end of CBT4, they added a new system to experiment with, in this system to repair an item you had to sacrifice another item (using one item to repair another item), some way of item sink, but eventually they went back to:
3. repair items with gold, and the blacksmith.
Another thing Song is talking about is how to upgrade the items, and that looks like this, you craft a level 20 item, use that item and more resources to craft the level 24 item, then again use that item+mats to craft the level 30 item... this way up to level 50 item. There is a chance that the crafting will fail and the item gets lost, that chance of fail is higher with the items level.
So to get a level 50 item you need to go through this process 20-24-30-34-40-44-50, with a chance to fail, also there are 2 random stats being generated each time for the item which can be from +1 to +9 (attribute bonus, the usual stats STR, DEX...etc). Btw we are talking about set items, each armor set consist of 7 items (7 items level 20, 7 items level 24), and ofc using 3, 5, 7 items from the set you will get various bonuses. And now the next random factor about crafting level 44+ items, there are more version of sets, for level 44 there are 4 sets for each cloth/leather/plate armor type, until then it was only 1 per level. So again you need to be lucky to get the right set part at level 44.
As you see there are many random factors when crafting armors (its different for weapons and accessory, for them you have random rarity too, didn't notice that with set items).
And to get the best endgame gear won't be easy like in themepark MMO's, and won't happen fast, it will be time consuming, which is good.
Doesnt seem bad. Think i played another game with almost the same design.
Thanks for clearing that up. Love my crafting
So take it crafting will be a singluar job (one item at a time) and no way to mass produce items (like potions)?
I don't think you misread it at all. This is a game killer for me since crafting is why I play MMO's. Without decay/durability, I won't leave my current lackluster crafting system for another to start over in.
I have yet to be convinced that a tab targeting system is inferior to a non-tab targeting system. One makes the game a game of skill shots, while the other leaves room for more variation and complexity.
But that's not going to go over well in the west. It seems the east likes their gambling and chance games (something I was also told by a Lineage 2 Senior Game Master at a Gen Con) but whenver there is random anything it seems that players in the west don't like it.
They don't want "a chance to lose an item" based on a random number generator.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Yeah, most of the players on the west can't stand the gambling and losing of stuffs, they like to get stuff easily. However there are many of us, who still like these types of games more, because its more challenging.
And i don't care how many people will be play AA on the west, i don't expect to have millions of subscribers as WoW, GW2... Player numbers doesn't mean quality anymore!
What's "challenging" about a random number generator?
"You are all going to poop yourselves." BillMurphy
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone."
It's not that I/we don't like a challenge, but we don't like our games to feel like jobs. We like them to be games, they're for fun, immersion, etc. I don't find the prospect of losing all my stuff cuz of some jerk ganking me to be fun, I find it obnoxious. Challenges should come from the actual gameplay/content. Dungeons should be challenging, my walking across a field to farm materials for crafting shouldn't be frought with challenges and the risk of losing everything I've worked hard for in the past lol. There are plenty of ways you can make a game challenging without making it feel like you've been totally effed over cause some dude across the country is feeling pressed that day. I played WoW for years, I play GW2 currently but I've also played sandbox games and enjoyed them for what they were. I'm capable of liking multiple types of games, and AA is a hybrid between the two which is what I'm looking for, so I'm sure I will really enjoy it at least for a while. By the way, the whole "western players don't like this or that" thing is an outdated argument, I've heard many japanese and korean players complain about the same things with the games over there, I've had conversations with eastern players about the "difference in philosophy" and by and large they're not all THAT different anymore. Many of them don't like grindy & repetitive leveling, they just dealt with it because that's all that was ever available until recently. It's not so black/white anymore..
I tend to agree with the OP that if a person is to wear armor to protect themselves from being slashed to death with swords, they wouldn't make it as skimpy and as sexy as possible.
I guess I'm a bigot who is filled with hate though?
Or just reasonable. Either way.
I'm going to have to go with Gwapo...
I don't mind losing stuff. Not at all. But I would rather have it be because of some mistake on my part, or an actual test of skill maybe (?) as opposed to a dice rolling.
If a "challenge" is a test of one's ability then I want my ability tested. And again, if losing means "losing an item or xp or a level" then so be it.
But based on a dice roll? Not that I won't play Archeage but that part is not my cup of tea.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo