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Originally posted by eyelolled Originally posted by Doogiehowser Originally posted by eyelolled Do these people suffering from the toils and burdens of soloing ever consider saying "need help with X" or "X event starting" ? Or do the sit there by themselves banging their head into the wall wondering why nobody helps them out.
Yeah problem is that not enough people are around to help them with x and y in low level and medium zones. Not all are lucky and blessd like you to be surrounded by players in every zone they go.
Apparantly not. Maybe I just picked a better server as it still remains as one of the full servers, but I don't have a problem at all. I find the current population to be fantastic. It's a nice amount of players so that you can do every event except for maybe the obscure ones, and yet not so many people that it's just a zerg of people where ones actions are just lost into the mass.
I don't doubt that there are players still struggling with the combat mechanics, and they end up unable to do some of the little events by themselves. I feel sorry for those people, but I don't think the game should be dumbed down more just so they can have a fair shake at it.
The only DE's that are not soloable are the World Events or Group Events, and I have never seen a time where a map chat request didn't bring more than enough people.
The other thing that nobody seems to factor, is it's ok to fail at the event. You still get rewarded, and you might be able to see a different dynamic outcome than always succeeding at the events.
Like i said not all of us are fortunate like you. I also play on the most heavily populated server in EU and other than W v W and LA rest of the zones are deserted. It is getting harder to find people even in ORR during prime times.
If all of us were as lucky as you, we wouldn't be talking about this issue here now would we?
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Naw not on planet Earth.
Oh and as to why I didn't eleborate, the first page about covered what needs to be said, good try though OP.
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Originally posted by RizelStar Naw not on planet Earth. Oh and as to why I didn't eleborate, the first page about covered what needs to be said, good try though OP.
What do you mean good try? Are you trying to say im lying or trying to troll?
You guys really need to get over this, if someone says something negative about my game they must hate it line of thinking.
I'm actually playing GW2 as i type this...
Bringing up an obvious flaw in game design doesn't mean im trying to troll or spread misinformation...
Gw2 in a lot of ways is a really good game but to focus the most hyped mechanic in the game around high zone population was an obvious mistake. So much so that A-net has already gone on record saying they intend to fix the issue.
So yes, this is a problem on "Planet earth".
Originally posted by ShakyMo perhaps levels are the problem
Originally posted by Theutus Originally posted by ShakyMo perhaps levels are the problem
even if you go by skills, there is still a point where a player or group is strong enough for mob x but not for mob y. levels are just a boring way of assigning player power. But they are never the problem.
Many times during the GW2 beta the problem of dynamic events and low population was brought up - and never really addressed. I am still playing pve GW2 but it is getting harder and harder to continue because I am not able to complete the DE solo and there no players in the zone to help me out.
I am torn about a solution. On one hand I would like to see the DE's nerfed so that a single player can handle them but, on the other hand, it is MUCH more exciting to fight a DE with challenge. Scaling would seem to be a solution but I thought that GW2 had scaling - and it does not seem to work most of the time. Really, I do not believe that there is a solution. WH and Rift never solved the problem except when you were a high level player in a low level event.
The unfortunately thing about GW2 is that there are SO many DE. The pve game almost lives and dies on them. Had there been fewer DE maybe the players would not notice as much. At least in Rift you could level just fine avoiding Rifts. You can survive and level in GW2 avoiding DE but it is going to take you a LOT longer.
1) Players should be able to post Game wide looking for help.
2) Anet should make major raids mobs populate anywhere in the world with an in game announcement stating that ?****! has been spotted in zone #****! . The mob would be appropriate to the zones level, with drops by player max level. This would get players into low population zones.
3) The current system of players adjusting to the zone they enter is in my opinion great, nothing to change here.
Originally posted by Torvaldr Originally posted by Nitth Originally posted by ShakyMo perhaps levels are the problem
In TSW I can see what % of the wheel I have completed and my level for each aspect of the wheel. I'm gated on where I can go and adventure and what equipment I can use. So a leveless system that uses skill points is not really any different than character levels. They're just displaying the "level" and progress in a different place.
Easy. Make progression personal instead of impersonal. Story progression, actual world changing events, your own influence on the game. Try and design a game you'd want to play over and over even if there weren't any levels in it, or even gear upgrades, where the game itself was awarding enough by simply being fun.
Themeparks are designed to make you run through them once, maybe twice. They have almost zero features worth repeating more than that, that's why they're called themeparks - Just like RL ones. You don't go there every single day to repeat what you've already done, the only times you go there are a) when there's something new there or b) show your friends.
The only way to truly get people to repeat existing content is to introduce sandbox elements to a game and currently, very few MMO's offer this.
There's a good reason why games like Ultima Online and EVE Online are still around and kicking, even growing up to a point.
That said, GW2 is the best attempt a themepark MMO can make at getting people to repeat content by putting the focus on exploration rather than levelling and gear, incentivizing (re)visiting lower level content by scaling you down and giving level appropriate rewards.
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Originally posted by tordurbar Many times during the GW2 beta the problem of dynamic events and low population was brought up - and never really addressed. I am still playing pve GW2 but it is getting harder and harder to continue because I am not able to complete the DE solo and there no players in the zone to help me out.
In beta1 the DE was so hard it was impossible to do them alone and the heart quests were not there (they were put in on request by some lazy gamers)
Beta2 and 3 DEs got nerfed so most of them could be done solo, only DEs I have problem doing alone are the ones in Orr but that zone is made for group play to begin with.
I guess It all comes down to classes, some classes are easy to play DE with while others struggles.
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
Originally posted by Latronus Well, they could do something along the lines of reducing mob HPs and damage output so that newer players won't have to skip things, but in my opinion that defeats the original design. Other games have scaled back zones so that alts or newbies can rush through the content to get to the top faster so they can partake of the goodness if you will.
I used tho think this was a solution that would work in a previous MMO that was seeing these issues, and the company did some tings along those lines, but guess what, it did not really change things.
Why because most of the players present were endgamers leveling up alts. The trouble with this is end-gamers tend to be bored with the starter content and just want to min-max through it as fast as possible, so they gravitate to the same handful of zones and meta-event chains for some levels, use crafting to skip level sections lacking good/populated event chains, and get thier last 10 or so levels topping off with the personal story.
The issue is the lack of really new players.
This happens to every game that has ever come out when it become top heavy .
I do play GW2 right now , but i played EQ2 for 7 years and it became no differant as other posters here have said its because its a level based game you had to play solo till you get to end game and thats the way you had to do it.
At least with GW2 they do have DE,s and once you hit 50-55 you can sart doing dragons for better loot and exp the same with dungeons but they can be harder to get groups for.But with EQ2 you had questlines to follow and it was hard to fill low level gtoups also.
But in both games i starting doing the same zones i knew i could get fast exp to get to cap.
But the first game i played online was UO and it never had that problem guess why?
No levels so there you go.
If UO would come out with a new game and better graphics i would in a heart beat go back to it
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Originally posted by Axryn2) Anet should make major raids mobs populate anywhere in the world with an in game announcement stating that ?****! has been spotted in zone #****! . The mob would be appropriate to the zones level, with drops by player max level. This would get players into low population zones.
Make the major encounters(like the dragons) difficult for even a large number of people and have a good chance of giving you rewards that you want.
Greatly increase the timer as well so it feels like a rare epic event and not just something that repeats every couple hours.
It's not exactlly deserted but I don't see more than 2-3 people everytime I wander in x map so it's still sad.
A suggestion I can give to people rolling a new alt or new players is to go in the human maps, seriously they are the most packed of them all as shown by gaia.
Originally posted by Z3R01 Originally posted by RizelStar Naw not on planet Earth. Oh and as to why I didn't eleborate, the first page about covered what needs to be said, good try though OP.
Well Z3R01, this is the nature of our country right now, look at politics. If you're a Independant, you don't matter, if you're a Republican, you're hate women and minorities, and if you're a Democrat you're a idiot hippie. If you don't like what I like, i will demean/demonize your thereby shouting down any possible threatening rebuttle and I get to look hip and cool in the process.
Personally I burnt out on GW2, I played several characters, got 2 to 80 by the time Fractals hit, and then that's all anyone ever did. I was on a very active server, but the game world in any given zone except starter zones had maybe 10 people per zone, and rarely did they want to drop what they were doing to clear a DE. This top heavy trend while all DE's and Hearts were basically same old grind is what pushed me away from the game. Sure I soloed many a DE, dropped a few champions and over all, not worth the effort for the Champs and most DE's/Hearts weren't all that memorable. A chore to do for completion's sake and that was about it.
It did do some things really well, but the whole themepark design...when do we reach a point where its just the same old sh*t in a different dress? I have to agree with Bad Spock on a number of his points, and I have said for quite some time, progression can be mapped in ways other than levels. UO did it first and has IMHO never been rivalled for its dynamic balance of economy, pvp and player driven content. Even as I was playing GW2 with my first character, by the time I hit level 30 I got annoyed with the notion of having to repeat this treadmill for another 50 levels. They could've entirely removed levels and just used skill points as a character progression feature. But even that wouldn't change the basic static nature of the world.
Do I hate the game? Absolutely not. I just don't play it anymore because I got burnt out on how it funnelled its playerbase into instances and the world was pretty lackluster as far as content went. Like all themeparks, its static nature and level driven segregation becomes numbing after a while, and my tolerance for the design style is worn out.
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I still love and play GW2, but definitely not as voraciously as i use to.
I get enjoyment out of exploring the world, finding new DE's, and other hidden or not-so-obvious elements of the game. Finding beautiful scenery is also always fun to me.
My big problem with the game, is that the carrots are on a really long stick. There just feels like there's no freaking reward for playing the game.
I'm currently levelling a warrior and I really want the t3 norn cultural gear for him, but that's 119 gold. In most other games, 119g might be a lot, but not like, an insane amount of gold... But for me that's months of heavy playing and saving for a set of gear, just for the looks.
The only people that can really get satisfaction out of these things are the people that have amassed a giant amount of gold. There are not very many of these people, and becoming one of these people is very hard, and requires a lot of luck.
I really think Anet needs to reevaluate their reward system, so everything isn't so damn grindy. Legendaries being a grind? Hell yeah, that's cool. But exotics, just for the skins? There needs to be some rebalancing.
Part of me really wishes Anet would inflate the gold rewards by a lot, which I know will ultimately make everything more expensive, but at least then I could afford cultural gear, bag runes, guild armor/weapons, and all those other things you buy with gold.
Originally posted by Nitth Originally posted by ShakyMo perhaps levels are the problem
How long have i been saying that for now....
Amen, it would be a breath of fresh air to see a game that matches the skill system from EVE to a themepark type game like GW2. Or better yet get a modern day version of UO. UO did so many things right I just can't bring myself to play a game with 90's graphics. Imagine UO with modern technology.....WINNER!!
The idea of adjusted levels is good, not perfect and it still has to be fleshed out (if they want to do it) and it can work almost as good as no levels.
Lets see what they do with fractals and will it still be the only thing worth doing (time/reward wise). It was a mistake and they are aware of it, hope they rectify it asap. Then move on fleshing out the thing above.
I don't think there is a problem with the way Rift, GW2, or WAR handled the mechanic. With GW2, the only problem was misleading the playerbase on what dynamic events really were, but that's anothe story.
The fact is, you can't expect content found while leveling to stay fresh and engaging for players time after time. That's the whole point of focusing on end-game content in the first place, which is exactly what GW2 lacks. There's not much in the way of PvE, since group dungeons are a complet mess without class roles being needed. There aren't really any raids or anything, either, so all you really have is PvP. But all that ends up being is people zerging the same few maps back and forth.
GW2 has a lot of problems, but dynamic events are one them. They fulfill their purpose just fine.
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Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter The desert game.
There it is folks. gaia proved you all wrong.
His server speaks for all the 52 serves in the game.
Move on folks nothing to talk about here. You are all obviously making up stuff when you say 'lower level zones are deserted'.
Dynamic events have several design flaws, but nothing that can't be fixed.
Make the rewards more attractive for high level player or make the events soloable or give more XP for completion of heart quests, so DE would not be mandatory if you want to level up in a regular PVE manner.
What boggles my mind the most is why doesn't Anet want to implement those fixes?
Originally posted by Doogiehowser Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter The desert game.
There is just as much truth in these pictures as there is in YOU claiming there is no one in the lower area's on all 52 servers in the game..... I happen to have the same experience as Gaia, I am an altoholic with character in all levelranges.
Some lower/mid area's are more popular then others, that is true, human area's are often fuller then the charr ones.
Plus if you are unhappy about your server there ia always the option to transfer FOR FREE and try out another one. Every 7 days...
Originally posted by Jeleena Originally posted by Doogiehowser Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter The desert game.
Reading comprehnsion is a good thing because i never claimed what you stated in highlighter part. Could you show me where i said all 52 server has low level zones deserted? i never made a claim where i said 'hey my server is dead in lower zones so it is true for all 52 servers' i would be full of myself to say something like that.
That is why i find claims likese these ridiculous because situation vary from server to server. You know that i can also post screenshots of empty zones and claim 'that you are lying'.