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players got tired of gear grinding at level 80 and the expansion is a grind fest
Originally posted by Lizardone
players got tired of gear grinding at level 80 and the expansion is a grind fest
Does no one remember the AoC launch? It's still considered one of the worst in MMO history. The amount of false advertisement and outright lying from Funcom was unseen by any other company before. The game launched with just about NONE of its promised features. They had a very sleazy business model. Most of the game was unfinished so as soon as people left the tutorial the reason for playing stopped.
On top of that, the game itself just isn't very good. The Tortage part, the "best" part, is just a linear tutorial that holds you by the hand the entire way through really bad quests. The zones were all capped at small numbers so that the game was not really MM at all. The entire game design was just copy pasted from WoW and dumbed down as far as it could go.
The game sold TONS of copies and then everyone realized it sucked.
Originally posted by GwapoJoshFor me it was lack of content after Tortage. I was bored out of my mind trying to grind to 80.
This in a nutshell. I can remember getting near my 30's I would stay logged off weeks at a time just to level up that way. Then run the villa's there used to be a giant gap in content between 30-50. I have no idea after level 50 as I quit. I went back after free to play for a day and quit yet again.
I jut rack it up to bad game design.
As discussed.. Timing.
Most systems at the time made it crawl, their programming at launch didn't help, the progression system was starting to feel old hat by then as well.
Over all AoC didn't bring a lot to the table to be an exciting launch. It's aged fairly well tho', more so than most other games.
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first, they folded and took nipples out of the game, which nudity is a huge part of the Conan genre...big mistake.
second, the lead dev sold all his stock in the company shortly after release, went downhill from there. I unsubbed after that personally, already mad about the nipple fiasco, but to see the lead dev bail too was a good sign to leave.
If in 1982 we played with the current mentality, we would have burned down all the pac man games since the red ghost was clearly OP. Instead we just got better at the game.
i never gave it a shot because of all the news about the terribad launch.
I was really psyched for the release of AoC.
It released and looked awesome during early play....then they patched in the rest of the game.
It was an absolute disaster. The performance was hideous even on brand new hardware.
There were tons of bugs and lots of missing content.
No bank or AH at launch.
There was a DX10 tab but it came out that it wasn't functional.
It became apparent that stats were not working and had absolutely no effect on your character.
The pvp balance was absolutely the worst I have seen in any game, by far and away.
The pvp maps were really bad.
Oh and the community was a toilet bowl.
I played for about 3 weeks and gave up, absolutely disgusted.
I came several months later and found that the performance was excellent. The pvp maps still absolutley sucked but things were more balanced. Graphics and sound were some of the best I have ever seen. It was greatly improved and I took a toon up to max level. All and all it was a pretty good game at that point but it never could recover from the launch. The devs really pissed people off because they were so dishonest about things.
Originally posted by allendale5
I played this game and had 5 level 80's and tbh I had a great time of it with my friends. I didn't quit because of the game, I quit because it became a ghost town. It seemed to offer a lot of things that people here on these forums are begging for. The first few levels were linear but after that, you could pretty much do whatever you wanted. The graphics were good, the story was good imo. I liked the different combat style -- it was frustrating at first but tbh a challenge, at least for me. Just wondering why this game never really became successful.
I played this game and had 5 level 80's and tbh I had a great time of it with my friends. I didn't quit because of the game, I quit because it became a ghost town.
It seemed to offer a lot of things that people here on these forums are begging for. The first few levels were linear but after that, you could pretty much do whatever you wanted. The graphics were good, the story was good imo.
I liked the different combat style -- it was frustrating at first but tbh a challenge, at least for me.
Just wondering why this game never really became successful.
1) The world wasnt well populated after level 20. Tortage was amazing, then you get dropped into a wasteland without enough quests or lore to keep it interesting. They have fixed this now, but it soured many players.
2) The combat was far more annoying at launch, with up to 6 button presses after a combo.
3) The game was buggy at launch.
4) The updates were too slow.
They would be the main four. The first 3 got sorted by the time Rise of the Godslayer came out. The game was grindy, but the dungeons were great at that point, but number 4 crept up again, with the game remaining stagnant for a long time.
So yeah, had a good time in Conan, but there was no long term staying power because of the lack of updates.
There were so many reasons why.
After Tortage the game quality dropped big time...or maybe Tortage was just REALLY good. Then, the massive dungeon bugs making it near impossible to complete the raid dungeons, this was still in game when I left 3 months after release due to not being able to do end game content at all. Then there was the mounted combat issues...the PvP siege issues...the down right HORRID crafting...Funcom taking forever to fix bugs...Funcom not creating new content often...
The list goes on and on...and you can apply it to Anarchy Online and The Secret World also. Funcom, has issues they cant seem to resolve. Fixing bugs, updating the game, listening to players before its too late.
They come up with great ideas, and can never actually bring the potential out.
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1. It wasn't open world. I was very surprised to find that you teleported from zone to zone. Big immersion killer for me.
2. 100 percent instancing. Even in the common areas. It was too much. Should have kept it restricted to specific quest areas. (though this issue solved itself when the populaton dropped below the threshhold to trigger a new instance) Again, big immersion killer when you have to bring up the instance picker and teleport to the same place you just were in order to see the person you're trying to play with.
3. In a multiplayer game the idea that my character is the single hero of the storyline foretold by the stars, is frankly stupid. This is also an immersion killer. In an multiplayer rpg don't tell me who my character is. A big part of the fun is developing my char myself.
4. As nicely done as Tortage was, in a multiplayer game with different races and classes, having only one starting area which made you do the first 17 to 20 levels of each character nearly identically killed my motivation to try new chars. Not to mention the silliness of a game with thousands of players who all have the almost exact same origin. "Yeah, I woke up on a slave ship, we crashed, I survived, was told I was the prophesised hero" "Really? Me too!" "Hey, same here!" If you're at all interested in who your character is you're pretty much forced to disregard then entire opening of the game.
Well it had a horrible launch. To the point where after you got out of the starter areas there wasnt much to do. Everything was buggy and broken.
Once it became popular to hate the game it never fully recoverd. I think it took them a good year an ahalf to get the game full and playable. From what ive heard they just kept adding to the game.
Actually debating downloading it, I played this for a while, granted i picked it up a year after launch, and i never subscribe to hating a game because its cool to do so.
All i can remember about the game was that the combat was awesome, best implimentation of a combat system in a mmorpg (aside from tera that is) Also it was a rare endgame to have clan vs clan territorial seiges and no factional divide amongst the community, meaning you could pvp people you talk to ect. Really was fantastic.
I reached a point where sieges and raids got a bit old for me and moved on, also remember the raids were great.
Anyway, glad to see the games still going and they are still developing it. For all of Funcoms launch problems, they always stick with the game and end up turning it into some great, sadly the game will never be a big hit just because of the launch fiasco and the "its cool to hate" stigma.
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I personally never played it apart from trying it quickly because at the time it launched i had enough of those bags of buds they would sell as games with box price + monthly fee. Both AoC and Vanguard were trashed because of that.
Compare to other games mmo are super expensive for players so they should deliver top products, and de facto mmo are considered as the "top of gaming" due their nature (persistant world). But not only mmo became nothing else but combat simulator online where they once was full virtual worlds, so they went from the top of gaming to totally bland and "normal" games, so called expensive to develop because they are online, which is bs because pretty much all games are online now. And there is pretty much nothing outstanding about them yet they kept their so called "top gaming experience" price, not only that but they were so badely coded that they were barely playable, which obviously other "normal" games never really was able to do without commercially failing. And people had enough of this crap so they trashed this kind of behavior and literally bad mouthed both AoC and Vanguard to no end. Imo this is the only reason both AoC and Vanguard failed, and the reason nobody returned to those games either.
There fault was the start of the game.
Tortage was so epic so well designed so brilliant to play through on all classes. That it was let down afterwards by a normal questing game themepark.
To me, AOC was only fun from level 0-40. The level cap should have been 40 cuz after that, its bricks after bricks. Boring and repetitive. Same shit all over again.
Also, aoc was suppose to be a game focus on pvp, but like any mmorpg, bg's and arena's kills the game. Open world pvp is a mess. Its mindless pvp. You kill, you get kill, but for what? Nothing. Its a repetitive cycle.
Interesting read, because I never played it at launch, only started some months ago when I learned about it through playing TSW.
Right now I´m almost playing as much AoC as I play TSW. Both games are amazing and my favourite MMOs atm.
AoC 4.0 seems very polished to me(again don´t know what it was like but I guess AoC 4.0 is pretty different than AoC 1.0)
I don´t get why people write off games and never return to a game when it is fixed up (which it is apparently, no bugs or crashes so far, everything set to high and it plays smooth like butter and I love the story)
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There was a lot I didn't like about AoC. The simon says combo system, the healing system, the over use of instancing, the harshness of soloing, the incredibly ugly character avatars, the lackluster adventuring reward systems (decent gear seemed to only come from dungeons and raids, making soloing quite unrewarding). I'm sure there are more, but I don't want to take the time to think of them : )
Like all of the Funcom games that I have played, AO, AoC and TSW, I find their gameplay to be too hardcore for my tastes, but then again I have a very casual oriented point of view.
On the Pve side:
At launch, many things were broken, or out right missing in the game. early on Gear was limited to everyone wearing brown paper bag armor (brown, light brown, and dark brown leather armor) , which took a month or two to sacrifice a couple of developers souls push out enough different kinds of armor.
then the large gap between mid levels, where people had to grind, and then the devs once again had to make a new zone for the 40-60 range including extra quests to appease the pve questing crowd. but since the game was themeparked, that content was sucked up like a puddle of water to a sponge.
around that time other mmos started coming by , Aion...darkfall..mortal online, Rift.. Fallen Earth...and so on, whether people liked those games or not, very very few of the pve crowd came back..or returned but didnt stick around due to being tired of funcoms delaying, as well as funcom, ease of falling so closely to the run in the mill cookie cutter quest/raid mentality.
Then, Funcom pretty much said screw it, released Rise of the God Slayer, a place where the zone are spacial, but the core of the game itself was one big giant hamster wheel of grinding for purples, tiers and tokens.
On the Pvp side:
Balance issues plagued the classes, DT being the red headed step child while TOS and Guardians were gods among men. then there was the gem enchantment issue, one shotting was the norm (ugly norm btw). funcom revamped gems, then the flavor of the season, was the Tempest of Set. then once that got resolved , Funcom then had the bright idea (not really) to scrap the current combat system of 1.04 in favor of 1.05, that began the start of gear dependency.
after 1.05 hit the scene, months later arrived PVP levels. the community overall was asking for funcom to fix sieges, since at launch, funcom failed to make sieges work properly, across the board.
So Rise of the God slayer hits, and the introduction of more pvp levels 1-10 now, the Gap/Gear disparity sky rockets when funcom with their bright idea again, to introduce Shrine of Bori, while blissfully ignoring the common trait of human beings always taking the path of least resistance to get what they want (i.e. join super uber giant guild, or super uber giant pvp guild and farm away,). the idea sounded great on paper, but the execution said otherwise.
long story short, gear disparity, along with funcoms extreme desperation of trying to appease the pve crowd while throwing the pvp crowd a half of a bone (Deathwish) put a sour taste in alot of pvpers mouths, while most of them , if i recall, claiming funcom falling back on their sales pitch of a brutal, mature game - and craigs response boiling down to, and paraphrasing:
"Pvp was never been the focus of AOC"
Me personally, i left around Rise of the GodSlayer, i lost motivation of doing pvp in the game when Shrines of Bori was introduced. for me i felt that the game became more about the gear treadmill and group pvp balance instead of individual pvp balance between classes. i ended around getting pvp 7 or 8, that was when funcom then had a hacker breach with a number of accounts being compromised, mine being one of them. despite getting my account back, my gear was pretty much sold and gone by who knows where - with funcoms customer service being what it is, I played Age of Conan casually for a extra month or two then migrated over to SWTOR, then back to Planetside 1.
If i were to go back to AOC, it would strictly to see those that i know and probably just to see what AOC's pve is worth to venture in. As for AOC on a pvp level - i dont have that kind of time to be a masochist.
Age of Conan has very challenging and fun endgame content. Any player who has been disappointed in endgame in other games because of the lack of it or the lack of challenge of it should definitely give Age of Conan a try.
The Dungeons are 6 man Dungeons ( There are plenty of dungeons to explore at all levels however some of the low level ones are avoided by the majority )
The Raids are 24 man Raids. ( There are roughly 9 raids for the raid enthusiast to conquer )
I had the most group-based fun in these dungeons as the level of co-operation required is high to complete these. In other games it's more of a silent routine dungeon run of the day. Groups don't even speak to each other or chat with each other during a dungeon.
For those who are willing to give the game a try, roll on US Set server if you are mainly PvE. If you are a PvPer I recommend you roll a character on Deathwish server. You can only roll one character on that serve and it has good low level world PvP. I had a lot of fun in the early levels doing open world PvP on that server.
I remeber I played my first character to 50 the first time I played. Tortage was great but I remeber the quest after Tortage, and I wondered if my speakers had broken down or something.
It wasn't just that the voice from almost all the quests disapeared, it was also the quality of the quests, from doing relative epic stuff like exploring a prison dungeon, replacing virgin blood with hooker blood and blowing up a volcano, your back to collecting 10x wolf pelts, then 10x badger pelts, and next quest was to collect 10 planks... wtf.
Then there was the economy, back at launch there was no BOE system, so you could equip items and then sell them again. Blue items sold for 1-2 copper back then. If there is one thing I enjoy to do in a game then it's so sell my loot I get on adventures and buy stuff I need, and perhaps make a profit too.
Eventually they sorted it out, and when I returned from hollidays in August there was BOE on blue/green items, and a recipe system. The improved crafting system worked quite well, but they never built on it after 2009. It's now getting a full replacement.