The thing that I am so absolutely certain of, is that it is immensely less likely to learn anything valuable from forums, than it is to learn something valuable from xfire statistics.
haha that's funny
Definition of sucess will vary amongst everyone. People that say no, will say that it wasn't a success for them, maybe because they felt like it didn't live up to GW1. More narrow definition of success may get more people to agree haha.
I'd have to say it isn't from a consumer perspective
The problem is GW2 could have been absolutely amazing......but the devs f'ed it all up.
Lag issues
Disconnect issues
Pet pathing issues
crap drops
no contact combos, only field effects
even way over level for a zone you still feel....meh
Abysmally slow movement speed
Rediculous warp travel costs
Champion and boss difficulty is simply a matter of toughness/health/dodging
dodging/avoiding blows sometimes simply dosen't work
poorly thought class skill/talent combinations
I'd say over 1/2 the weapon skills are practically useless
I's say over 1/2 the weapon types for any given class are underwhelming.
Gathering mats for each tier is a serious grind reminescent of FFXI but without the benefit of items that last a long while.
Given the high quality build of GW1 people expected much more from GW2 than what we got. I would deem it a failure imo.
None of that matters as to whether it is a success or not. the company made a profit. it is a success.
You want to talk about if it was successful in pleasing you? that's another topic. And one that goes to whether they will KEEP making money, not whether or not they have.
They already have.
what part of "FROM A CONSUMER PERSPECTIVE" are you having trouble with?
Originally posted by Skooma2 the middle zones are wastelands
That's odd, I've been on several servers in both WoW and GW2, and I've seen more people running around in "middle zones" in GW2 than I ever saw in WoW. I always have people to do events with.
Anyway, yes, the game is a success. I don't love everything about it, but its a little silly to claim it's a failure. I don't like Rift, but I consider it a success too.
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If we don't call GW2 a success, I think we'll have a hard time calling any MMO a success in the foreseeable future.
It cleared 2 million sales in two weeks, it seems to have sold exceptionally well for a long period of time, and it's still one of the bestselling PC games out there. From what I've seen and heard, there's no shortage of players in the game, either. I'll admit I'm not too fond of the game, but that seems like some solid success to me.
Granted, that doesn't mean it'll stay a success - that, we'll have to see. Cash shop purchases will probably be a big factor there. As will the expansion sales.
If we don't call GW2 a success, I think we'll have a hard time calling any MMO a success in the foreseeable future.
I'd say you must be new here, but it's obvious you're not. lol. However successful a game is, there will be a ton of "fans" of this genre who will deny its success simply on the fact that it isn't everything they hoped for. I just play games for fun, not to see if my laundry list was completed.
Originally posted by Skooma2 the middle zones are wastelands
That's odd, I've been on several servers in both WoW and GW2, and I've seen more people running around in "middle zones" in GW2 than I ever saw in WoW. I always have people to do events with.
Anyway, yes, the game is a success. I don't love everything about it, but its a little silly to claim it's a failure. I don't like Rift, but I consider it a success too.
Wastelands is the new thing to claim about this game. Although it is a feature that affects every mmorpg to some degree, I personally haven't encountered problems with it in GW2. I for one, like smaller more skill based groups to get DEs done, instead of massive zerg numbers.
Originally posted by Leucent Wastelands or not, this game is as antisocial as it gets, and yes I talked to people, most just couldn t care less if you re even there.
exactly my point...OP does not define "successful" in a quantitative way.
It appears to have made money for NCsoft so yeah it's a success. Most of thes 'failed' mmo's on these forums turned some sort of profit that why companies keep making them. People on mmorpg.com are way too quick in labeling a game a failure.
Originally posted by Leucent Wastelands or not, this game is as antisocial as it gets, and yes I talked to people, most just couldn t care less if you re even there.
exactly my point...OP does not define "successful" in a quantitative way.
Originally posted by Leucent Wastelands or not, this game is as antisocial as it gets, and yes I talked to people, most just couldn t care less if you re even there.
exactly my point...OP does not define "successful" in a quantitative way.
ok then hope you had fun while you were playing
well then the question is now changed from "Was it successful?" to "was it fun?"
for me...no. I did not find it fun. I enjoyed GW1 alot more than 2.
Originally posted by Skooma2 the middle zones are wastelands
That's odd, I've been on several servers in both WoW and GW2, and I've seen more people running around in "middle zones" in GW2 than I ever saw in WoW. I always have people to do events with.
Anyway, yes, the game is a success. I don't love everything about it, but its a little silly to claim it's a failure. I don't like Rift, but I consider it a success too.
Wastelands is the new thing to claim about this game. Although it is a feature that affects every mmorpg to some degree, I personally haven't encountered problems with it in GW2. I for one, like smaller more skill based groups to get DEs done, instead of massive zerg numbers.
Oh I know how it works, believe me. "Say it enough and it'll be true". That's what some of these complaints count on, but they're just buying their own press.
It's not enough to say that GW2 doesn't have as many people in middle areas as, you know, all the launch people were leveling in those areas... let's ramp it up and say that they're "wastelands".
Despite everything that has been said, cant we agree that GW2 is a success?
A:
Nope. why?
Because success unfortunately is subjective to a individual level
If every game is subjective to a individual level with your logic all games are a fail.
But he is right though....if 2 companies make 2 games, the one the person enjoys more is the more successful in his eyes.
If you are talking shear profit, then its not the case, numbers are factual. What you are asking basically is "do you like GW2?"
I don't think his thought was that deep when he posted.
what makes you assume that?
I took away my question directly from my understanding of his last sentence.
No I won't bate sorry.
What bait? I was asking a question.
I agree with you - if individuals judge success based on how much they like a game, to them any game could be a failure in their individual mind. Financial success is different than that.
I'm not sure why that guy thinks you want him to "bate" and I'm not sure that's something I'd want to know he was doing.
Why would people here need to agree? Everyone knows its a success... It's already gotten multiple game fo the year awards, and has the highest Metacritic of any MMORPG to date aside from Vanilla WoW.
So it depends what you think a success is...does it need to be number 1 in the genre? I don't think so
Why would people here need to agree? Everyone knows its a success... It's already gotten multiple game fo the year awards, and has the higeghest Metacritic of any MMORPG to date aside from Vanilla WoW.
So it depends what you think a success is...does it need to be number 1 in the genre? I don't think so
Everyone knows it s a success, followed by, so it depends what you think is a success???
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haha that's funny
Definition of sucess will vary amongst everyone. People that say no, will say that it wasn't a success for them, maybe because they felt like it didn't live up to GW1. More narrow definition of success may get more people to agree haha.
what part of "FROM A CONSUMER PERSPECTIVE" are you having trouble with?
That's odd, I've been on several servers in both WoW and GW2, and I've seen more people running around in "middle zones" in GW2 than I ever saw in WoW. I always have people to do events with.
Anyway, yes, the game is a success. I don't love everything about it, but its a little silly to claim it's a failure. I don't like Rift, but I consider it a success too.
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If we don't call GW2 a success, I think we'll have a hard time calling any MMO a success in the foreseeable future.
It cleared 2 million sales in two weeks, it seems to have sold exceptionally well for a long period of time, and it's still one of the bestselling PC games out there. From what I've seen and heard, there's no shortage of players in the game, either. I'll admit I'm not too fond of the game, but that seems like some solid success to me.
Granted, that doesn't mean it'll stay a success - that, we'll have to see. Cash shop purchases will probably be a big factor there. As will the expansion sales.
If every game is subjective to a individual level with your logic all games that have been made for the past 30 years have been a fail.
please move along.
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
I'd say you must be new here, but it's obvious you're not. lol. However successful a game is, there will be a ton of "fans" of this genre who will deny its success simply on the fact that it isn't everything they hoped for. I just play games for fun, not to see if my laundry list was completed.
Wastelands is the new thing to claim about this game. Although it is a feature that affects every mmorpg to some degree, I personally haven't encountered problems with it in GW2. I for one, like smaller more skill based groups to get DEs done, instead of massive zerg numbers.
But he is right though....if 2 companies make 2 games, the one the person enjoys more is the more successful in his eyes.
If you are talking shear profit, then its not the case, numbers are factual. What you are asking basically is "do you like GW2?"
exactly my point...OP does not define "successful" in a quantitative way.
I don't think his thought was that deep when he posted.
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
ok then hope you had fun while you were playing
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
what makes you assume that?
I took away my question directly from my understanding of his last sentence.
GW2 is like D3.
- They are financially successful
- They failed to deliver on most of their promises
- Their player retention rate is horrible (SWTOR-like)
- Most of the people who bought those games feel betrayed and cheated
- in every thread on every forum you see about the biggest disappointments of 2012 the most answers are GW2 and D3
- Their future seems bleak unless their next expansions turn things around (I don't count on it)
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well then the question is now changed from "Was it successful?" to "was it fun?"
for me...no. I did not find it fun. I enjoyed GW1 alot more than 2.
No I won't bate sorry.
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
What bait? I was asking a question.
Oh I know how it works, believe me. "Say it enough and it'll be true". That's what some of these complaints count on, but they're just buying their own press.
It's not enough to say that GW2 doesn't have as many people in middle areas as, you know, all the launch people were leveling in those areas... let's ramp it up and say that they're "wastelands".
I agree with you - if individuals judge success based on how much they like a game, to them any game could be a failure in their individual mind. Financial success is different than that.
I'm not sure why that guy thinks you want him to "bate" and I'm not sure that's something I'd want to know he was doing.
Why would people here need to agree? Everyone knows its a success... It's already gotten multiple game fo the year awards, and has the highest Metacritic of any MMORPG to date aside from Vanilla WoW.
So it depends what you think a success is...does it need to be number 1 in the genre? I don't think so
+ 1 lol
Everyone knows it s a success, followed by, so it depends what you think is a success???