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Despite everything that has been sead, can't we agree that GW2 is a success?

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  • taus01taus01 MunichPosts: 1,352Member
    Originally posted by klerken
    Originally posted by Toxia
    Originally posted by grndzro

    I'd have to say it isn't from a consumer perspective

     The problem is GW2 could have been absolutely amazing......but the devs f'ed it all up.

    yada yada

    Given the high quality build of GW1 people expected much more from GW2 than what we got. I would deem it a failure imo.

    None of that matters as to whether it is a success or not. the company made a profit. it is a success.

    You want to talk about if it was successful in pleasing you? that's another topic. And one that goes to whether they will KEEP making money, not whether or not they have.

    They already have.

    if you go by the definition, the company made a profit --> its a succes. at least change the title to "can't we agree that GW2 is a "financial" succes, otherwise everyone will have their own definition of succes and lovers/haters or the indifferent can discuss it forever, and never get to an agreement as usual. in the mean time i'll stick with my own definition "is the game alive and kicking after 1 year --> its a succes. so only time will tell.....

     

    If it is a financial success has yet to be determined. So far it seems that they have to introduce more and more detrimental systems to the game to force people to buy the crap they sell on their Gem Store.

    The game may have recovered some of the initial development cost maybe even all of it (very unlikely with the massive add campaigns), but it needs to be sustainable to make the company money. This can only happen if people buy stuff at their GEM store or new people buy the the Game (althought that is a one time fee and it gets cheaper every month).

    I would say it had a successful launch in terms of Units sold and critics reviews (which do not count for anything since they are bought with adds). It still needs to proove it can survive on a long term.

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  • IsawaIsawa Middle 0 Nowhere, ORPosts: 1,051Member
    Originally posted by eyelolled

    The thing that I am so absolutely certain of, is that it is immensely less likely to learn anything valuable from forums, than it is to learn something valuable from xfire statistics.

    haha that's funny :)

    Definition of sucess will vary amongst everyone. People that say no, will say that it wasn't a success for them, maybe because they felt like it didn't live up to GW1. More narrow definition of success may get more people to agree haha.

  • grndzrogrndzro Reno, NVPosts: 1,150Member
    Originally posted by Toxia
    Originally posted by grndzro

    I'd have to say it isn't from a consumer perspective

     

     

    The problem is GW2 could have been absolutely amazing......but the devs f'ed it all up.

    Lag issues

    Disconnect issues

    Pet pathing issues

    crap drops

    no contact combos, only field effects

    even way over level for a zone you still feel....meh

    Abysmally slow movement speed

    Rediculous warp travel costs

    Champion and boss difficulty is simply a matter of toughness/health/dodging

    dodging/avoiding blows sometimes simply dosen't work

    poorly thought class skill/talent combinations

    I'd say over 1/2 the weapon skills are practically useless

    I's say over 1/2 the weapon types for any given class are underwhelming. 

    Gathering mats for each tier is a serious grind reminescent of FFXI but without the benefit of items that last a long while.

     

    Given the high quality build of GW1 people expected much more from GW2 than what we got. I would deem it a failure imo.

    None of that matters as to whether it is a success or not. the company made a profit. it is a success.

    You want to talk about if it was successful in pleasing you? that's another topic. And one that goes to whether they will KEEP making money, not whether or not they have.

    They already have.

    what part of "FROM A CONSUMER PERSPECTIVE" are you having trouble with?

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by Skooma2
    the middle zones are wastelands

    That's odd, I've been on several servers in both WoW and GW2, and I've seen more people running around in "middle zones" in GW2 than I ever saw in WoW.  I always have people to do events with.

    Anyway, yes, the game is a success.  I don't love everything about it, but its a little silly to claim it's a failure.  I don't like Rift, but I consider it a success too.

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,977Member Uncommon
    Of course it's a success, would be disingenuous to say otherwise.

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  • NikopolNikopol The ZonePosts: 626Member Uncommon

    If we don't call GW2 a success, I think we'll have a hard time calling any MMO a success in the foreseeable future. :)

    It cleared 2 million sales in two weeks, it seems to have sold exceptionally well for a long period of time, and it's still one of the bestselling PC games out there. From what I've seen and heard, there's no shortage of players in the game, either. I'll admit I'm not too fond of the game, but that seems like some solid success to me.

    Granted, that doesn't mean it'll stay a success - that, we'll have to see. Cash shop purchases will probably be a big factor there. As will the expansion sales.

     

  • TorgrimTorgrim GothenburgPosts: 2,088Member
    Originally posted by Beanpuie

    Q: 

    Despite everything that has been said, cant we agree that GW2 is a success?

     

    A:

    Nope. why?

    Because success unfortunately is subjective to a individual level

     

     

    If every game is subjective to a individual level with your logic all games that have been made for the past 30 years have been a fail.

    please move along.

     

    If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by Nikopol

    If we don't call GW2 a success, I think we'll have a hard time calling any MMO a success in the foreseeable future. :)

    I'd say you must be new here, but it's obvious you're not.  lol.  However successful a game is, there will be a ton of "fans" of this genre who will deny its success simply on the fact that it isn't everything they hoped for.  I just play games for fun, not to see if my laundry list was completed.

  • IsawaIsawa Middle 0 Nowhere, ORPosts: 1,051Member
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by Skooma2
    the middle zones are wastelands

    That's odd, I've been on several servers in both WoW and GW2, and I've seen more people running around in "middle zones" in GW2 than I ever saw in WoW.  I always have people to do events with.

    Anyway, yes, the game is a success.  I don't love everything about it, but its a little silly to claim it's a failure.  I don't like Rift, but I consider it a success too.

    Wastelands is the new thing to claim about this game. Although it is a feature that affects every mmorpg to some degree, I personally haven't encountered problems with it in GW2. I for one, like smaller more skill based groups to get DEs done, instead of massive zerg numbers.

  • miagisanmiagisan NY, NYPosts: 5,156Member
    Originally posted by Torgrim
    Originally posted by Beanpuie

    Q: 

    Despite everything that has been said, cant we agree that GW2 is a success?

     

    A:

    Nope. why?

    Because success unfortunately is subjective to a individual level

     

     

    If every game is subjective to a individual level with your logic all games are a fail.

     

    But he is right though....if 2 companies make 2 games, the one the person enjoys more is the more successful in his eyes. 

     

    If you are talking shear profit, then its not the case, numbers are factual. What you are asking basically is "do you like GW2?"

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  • LeucentLeucent Penticton, BCPosts: 2,371Member
    Wastelands or not, this game is as antisocial as it gets, and yes I talked to people, most just couldn t care less if you re even there.
  • miagisanmiagisan NY, NYPosts: 5,156Member
    Originally posted by Leucent
    Wastelands or not, this game is as antisocial as it gets, and yes I talked to people, most just couldn t care less if you re even there.

    exactly my point...OP does not define "successful" in a quantitative way.

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  • TorgrimTorgrim GothenburgPosts: 2,088Member
    Originally posted by miagisan
    Originally posted by Torgrim
    Originally posted by Beanpuie

    Q: 

    Despite everything that has been said, cant we agree that GW2 is a success?

     

    A:

    Nope. why?

    Because success unfortunately is subjective to a individual level

     

     

    If every game is subjective to a individual level with your logic all games are a fail.

     

    But he is right though....if 2 companies make 2 games, the one the person enjoys more is the more successful in his eyes. 

     

    If you are talking shear profit, then its not the case, numbers are factual. What you are asking basically is "do you like GW2?"

     

    I don't think his thought was that deep when he posted.

    If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  • Kingmob23Kingmob23 LondonPosts: 77Member
    It appears to have made money for NCsoft so yeah it's a success. Most of thes 'failed' mmo's on these forums turned some sort of profit that why companies keep making them. People on mmorpg.com are way too quick in labeling a game a failure.
  • TorgrimTorgrim GothenburgPosts: 2,088Member
    Originally posted by miagisan
    Originally posted by Leucent
    Wastelands or not, this game is as antisocial as it gets, and yes I talked to people, most just couldn t care less if you re even there.

    exactly my point...OP does not define "successful" in a quantitative way.

     

    ok then hope you had fun while you were playing :)

    If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  • miagisanmiagisan NY, NYPosts: 5,156Member
    Originally posted by Torgrim
    Originally posted by miagisan
    Originally posted by Torgrim
    Originally posted by Beanpuie

    Q: 

    Despite everything that has been said, cant we agree that GW2 is a success?

     

    A:

    Nope. why?

    Because success unfortunately is subjective to a individual level

     

     

    If every game is subjective to a individual level with your logic all games are a fail.

     

    But he is right though....if 2 companies make 2 games, the one the person enjoys more is the more successful in his eyes. 

     

    If you are talking shear profit, then its not the case, numbers are factual. What you are asking basically is "do you like GW2?"

     

    I don't think his thought was that deep when he posted.

    what makes you assume that?

     

    I took away my question directly from my understanding of his last sentence.

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  • boxsndboxsnd Kraxton, ARPosts: 438Member Common

    GW2 is like D3.

     

    - They are financially successful

    - They failed to deliver on most of their promises

    - Their player retention rate is horrible (SWTOR-like)

    - Most of the people who bought those games feel betrayed and cheated

    - in every thread on every forum you see about the biggest disappointments of 2012 the most answers are GW2 and D3

    - Their future seems bleak unless their next expansions turn things around (I don't count on it)

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  • kadepsysonkadepsyson sun prairie, WIPosts: 1,937Member
    WoW has more subscribers than this game ever will.

    El Psy Congroo

  • miagisanmiagisan NY, NYPosts: 5,156Member
    Originally posted by Torgrim
    Originally posted by miagisan
    Originally posted by Leucent
    Wastelands or not, this game is as antisocial as it gets, and yes I talked to people, most just couldn t care less if you re even there.

    exactly my point...OP does not define "successful" in a quantitative way.

     

    ok then hope you had fun while you were playing :)

    well then the question is now changed from "Was it successful?" to "was it fun?"

     

    for me...no. I did not find it fun. I enjoyed GW1 alot more than 2.

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  • TorgrimTorgrim GothenburgPosts: 2,088Member
    Originally posted by miagisan
    Originally posted by Torgrim
    Originally posted by miagisan
    Originally posted by Torgrim
    Originally posted by Beanpuie

    Q: 

    Despite everything that has been said, cant we agree that GW2 is a success?

     

    A:

    Nope. why?

    Because success unfortunately is subjective to a individual level

     

     

    If every game is subjective to a individual level with your logic all games are a fail.

     

    But he is right though....if 2 companies make 2 games, the one the person enjoys more is the more successful in his eyes. 

     

    If you are talking shear profit, then its not the case, numbers are factual. What you are asking basically is "do you like GW2?"

     

    I don't think his thought was that deep when he posted.

    what makes you assume that?

     

    I took away my question directly from my understanding of his last sentence.

    No I won't bate sorry.

    If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  • miagisanmiagisan NY, NYPosts: 5,156Member
    Originally posted by Torgrim
    Originally posted by miagisan
    Originally posted by Torgrim
    Originally posted by miagisan
    Originally posted by Torgrim
    Originally posted by Beanpuie

    Q: 

    Despite everything that has been said, cant we agree that GW2 is a success?

     

    A:

    Nope. why?

    Because success unfortunately is subjective to a individual level

     

     

    If every game is subjective to a individual level with your logic all games are a fail.

     

    But he is right though....if 2 companies make 2 games, the one the person enjoys more is the more successful in his eyes. 

     

    If you are talking shear profit, then its not the case, numbers are factual. What you are asking basically is "do you like GW2?"

     

    I don't think his thought was that deep when he posted.

    what makes you assume that?

     

    I took away my question directly from my understanding of his last sentence.

    No I won't bate sorry.

    What bait? I was asking a question.

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  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by Eluldor
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by Skooma2
    the middle zones are wastelands

    That's odd, I've been on several servers in both WoW and GW2, and I've seen more people running around in "middle zones" in GW2 than I ever saw in WoW.  I always have people to do events with.

    Anyway, yes, the game is a success.  I don't love everything about it, but its a little silly to claim it's a failure.  I don't like Rift, but I consider it a success too.

    Wastelands is the new thing to claim about this game. Although it is a feature that affects every mmorpg to some degree, I personally haven't encountered problems with it in GW2. I for one, like smaller more skill based groups to get DEs done, instead of massive zerg numbers.

    Oh I know how it works, believe me.  "Say it enough and it'll be true".  That's what some of these complaints count on, but they're just buying their own press.

    It's not enough to say that GW2 doesn't have as many people in middle areas as, you know, all the launch people were leveling in those areas... let's ramp it up and say that they're "wastelands".

  • kadepsysonkadepsyson sun prairie, WIPosts: 1,937Member
    Originally posted by miagisan
    Originally posted by Torgrim
    Originally posted by miagisan
    Originally posted by Torgrim
    Originally posted by miagisan
    Originally posted by Torgrim
    Originally posted by Beanpuie

    Q: 

    Despite everything that has been said, cant we agree that GW2 is a success?

     

    A:

    Nope. why?

    Because success unfortunately is subjective to a individual level

     

     

    If every game is subjective to a individual level with your logic all games are a fail.

     

    But he is right though....if 2 companies make 2 games, the one the person enjoys more is the more successful in his eyes. 

     

    If you are talking shear profit, then its not the case, numbers are factual. What you are asking basically is "do you like GW2?"

     

    I don't think his thought was that deep when he posted.

    what makes you assume that?

     

    I took away my question directly from my understanding of his last sentence.

    No I won't bate sorry.

    What bait? I was asking a question.

    I agree with you - if individuals judge success based on how much they like a game, to them any game could be a failure in their individual mind.  Financial success is different than that.

    I'm not sure why that guy thinks you want him to "bate" and I'm not sure that's something I'd want to know he was doing.

     

    El Psy Congroo

  • skorner64skorner64 North Andover, MAPosts: 47Member

    Why would people here need to agree? Everyone knows its a success... It's already gotten multiple game fo the year awards, and has the highest Metacritic of any MMORPG to date aside from Vanilla WoW.

    So it depends what you think a success is...does it need to be number 1 in the genre? I don't think so

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Originally posted by kadepsyson
    WoW has more subscribers than this game ever will.

    + 1  lol

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