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Originally posted by kadepsyson My point is it may have been more benificial to please customers than try to make a quick buck.
No disagreement from me. Customer satisfaction is something I was taught as a major factor to business longevity. Perhaps it's not as important now with the current generation of high level management... at least not in game publishing.
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Some interesting insight on the official site forums that somewhat addresses the same question of why the crickets from Aventurine.
Some quotes from the link above:
"I've stopped testing and waiting for the next patch, as are a LOT of players no doubt."
"yea they update pretty regularly in beta forums."
"no they dont, their updates are horrendous."
"He might update but he doesnt say anything except soon (tm)"
"Like people stated, beta forums are updated regularly. They need to update outside of that as well."
"Beta testing... No release date announced. So no need new update."
"games fun, coming along nicely. AV is hard at work hammering out a great rpg/pvp/fps experience."
"Do not Pre-Order yet."
"Cant tell you... NDA.. Do not Preorder"
"Seriously - you have more potential customers waiting to buy than you have active in your beta. Give us some sort of sign that this game is actually progressing towards launch before we all slip through your fingers... again."
"i honestly would not advise anyone to buy into beta just yet. Leave it a week and lets see what this patch/fix does."
Well, make of it what you will. Just thought it was some interesting insight from off of the official forum site (public forums). Fair disclosure: There is nothing to guarantee that any of those who made the comments above are in fact in the beta. As I said... just found the comments interesting.
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Originally posted by DarthRaiden Persistant bug still not fixed 1 month after "launch".
Hmm... that is kinda sad. Heard from a number of reliable source about dupping being a problem again as well. Too bad, as that will kill a MMO game faster than just about anything else.
Well, I guess a persistance "bug" would be kinda the opposite of dupping, so perhaps they are meant to off-set each other?
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Originally posted by phantomghost Won't go into detail but duping has helped the beta tremendously. Duping was something they added, and will be taken out with the fixing of persistence.
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There was very little reason for me to play the beta recently due to the constant server shutdowns and character wipes/bugs. The game running in debuf mode really makes everything sloppy and unplayable for me at least.
Also, you probably dont see many posts unless you have bought the beta, because there is a separate section on the forums for beta only players which has a lot of posts in it.
Originally posted by Agrias34 There was very little reason for me to play the beta recently due to the constant server shutdowns and character wipes/bugs. The game running in debuf mode really makes everything sloppy and unplayable for me at least. Also, you probably dont see many posts unless you have bought the beta, because there is a separate section on the forums for beta only players which has a lot of posts in it.
I would get discouraged too if I was trying to play a game with all those issues.
Fortunately for me, I don't get discouraged when testing an upcoming game in a beta phase when it has all those issues.
I test betas, I play released games.
Originally posted by kadepsyson They got the money from pre-orders. They don't have it released yet. It sounds very far from a fun and functional release quality title. They aren't gaining more money, and their beta "testers" are leaving in droves. With barely anyone to test the game, and no money left...I'm just wondering if the game will be sunsetted before it even launches.
I doubt it because AV got a 4 million dollar investment in 2011 to fund the release of the game. The investment company can't possibly get a return if AV doesn't even attempt to release.
If they release and the game flops, InternetQ (the investor) will likely buyout AV (they are allowed to do so by terms of the investment) and cannibalize the company for anything they can...probably sell off any IP AV might have and anything else they can to try and make their money back.
Originally posted by kadepsyson I would get discouraged too if I was trying to play a game with all those issues. Fortunately for me, I don't get discouraged when testing an upcoming game in a beta phase when it has all those issues. I test betas, I play released games.
Why pay to do their work, when they should be the ones doing the paying to test their game? Or they could provide access for free but closed to selected testers.
I for one only beta test a game if it's available to me for free, or if I get paid for it (although it's been a few years since). Otherwise, I prefer to wait before 'investing' any money on a game I've not played. It's served me well so far, especially considering the rather disappointing crops of MMOs we've had over the last few years.
The moment you start paying to access a beta is the moment it stopped being a beta. Right now, you're not beta testing, you're paying to play an unfinished and unstable game.
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Keep it going, fellas. We already pay them for developing the game (Kickstarter, not this game ofc), pay them for testing the game and pay them for playing the game.
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