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STEAM BOX revaled

ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,788Member Uncommon
    What's the internal hardware?  Trinity?  Richland?  Kabini?  The claimed 384 shaders in integrated graphics fits Trinity A10 chips, but there isn't a 3.2 GHz Trinity A10 quad core.  It could conceivably also be Richland, which might well also have a 384-shader part.  Or maybe they got AMD to make a custom bin, which AMD will do for customers that want to buy a zillion chips.
  • aRtFuLThinGaRtFuLThinG MelbournePosts: 1,134Member Uncommon
    I hope they are not really going to name it Steam Box... it sounds like some sort of Chinese food that you get from yumcha lol
  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon
    It's a great idea, unfortunately I expect them to be pretty low end and very expensive for now.

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  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member

    I can't imagine this playing many PC games very well.  I know 1280x720 isn't the most demanding resolution to render, but I have to wonder what the real advantage over other consoles will be if the thing essentially forces the games on the lowest settings to run properly.  And if it's upgradeable, at what point is it just better to hook your PC up to the TV and call it a day?  They already have the new "The Big Picture" mode avaialble, so you can access your library on a large screen just fine.

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  • kadepsysonkadepsyson sun prairie, WIPosts: 1,937Member
    Is this the Steam Box or is this a small computer designed to work with Steam?  I had thought Valve would be making something, not some other company making something to work with Valve's software and approval.

    El Psy Congroo

  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by kadepsyson
    Is this the Steam Box or is this a small computer designed to work with Steam?  I had thought Valve would be making something, not some other company making something to work with Valve's software and approval.

    Valve is just that, a software company. Turning into a hardware company takes a ton of money and knowledge(specifically around manufacturing logistics). It makes sense they find someone else to work with for this.

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  • kadepsysonkadepsyson sun prairie, WIPosts: 1,937Member

    I would literally pay valve money if they would sell DLC that removed all ability for me to launch "the big picture" on my steam client.

    It is incredibly frustrating for a click to suddenly open a full screen (7680 x 1600) application that I cannot close until about a dozen mouse clicks have hit the exit application button.  Even burying it deep within a menu I'd rarely look into would be a huge improvement compared to right next to the Friends button or the _ and X in the client window.

    El Psy Congroo

  • kadepsysonkadepsyson sun prairie, WIPosts: 1,937Member
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    Originally posted by kadepsyson
    Is this the Steam Box or is this a small computer designed to work with Steam?  I had thought Valve would be making something, not some other company making something to work with Valve's software and approval.

    Valve is just that, a software company. Turning into a hardware company takes a ton of money and knowledge(specifically around manufacturing logistics). It makes sense they find someone else to work with for this.

    Well it would be far from the first time a software company had launched some hardware, or gone in a surprising direction.  Microsoft is a pretty big example of this.

    Hell even Nvidia made a gaming console, don't see why Valve can't do it themselves when they employ a guy who builds rocket engines for fun.

    El Psy Congroo

  • FearumFearum Cinnaminson, NJPosts: 1,166Member Uncommon
    I don't understand, you can build a nice desktop that will crush that thing for 1100 dollars.
  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by kadepsyson

    I would literally pay valve money if they would sell DLC that removed all ability for me to launch "the big picture" on my steam client.

    It is incredibly frustrating for a click to suddenly open a full screen (7680 x 1600) application that I cannot close until about a dozen mouse clicks have hit the exit application button.  Even burying it deep within a menu I'd rarely look into would be a huge improvement compared to right next to the Friends button or the _ and X in the client window.

    weird.  It takes me two clicks to close, including the one to skip the intro thing.  Or you could f4 it.  I've also never accidently opened it, even when closing the client...

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  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by Fearum
    I don't understand, you can build a nice desktop that will crush that thing for 1100 dollars.

    This is what I think. It wouldn't fit in the palm of your hand, and probably wouldn't look as cool, but it could certainly perform as well, and be future upgradable too.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    It's a great idea, unfortunately I expect them to be pretty low end and very expensive for now.

    The reality is, there really isn't a steam box lol. What Steam is doing is working with numerous "partners" to bring steam to various platforms. 

    That is simply one of the "partners" Steam is working with. 

     

    Razer is another, Nvidia is another, and there are others. 

     

    This little unit is fairly impressive though. Though it's going to be another around the $1000+ range. 

     

     

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    The more import question is what OS

    Windows or valves own version of Linux.

    As for why have it instead of a console.

    CHEAPER GAMES & MOD SUPPORT

    The main reason to pc game instead of console game.
  • syntax42syntax42 Columbus, OHPosts: 1,306Member Uncommon

    If the thing is using an A10 core as Quizzical suggests, it won't perform well enough to compete with modern computers but it will produce decent graphics.  My current laptop uses an A8, which is barely worse than the A10.  I can play most games on a minimum setting at 1600x900 resolution.  If I turn off shadows and other fancy effects, I can start to turn up the graphics a bit and still stay above 30fps most of the time.  I tested this in Guild Wars 2, Rift, and WoW.  

     

    Personally, I will wait until the next generation of CPUs with GPUs built into the same die are released.  Barely meeting the minimum for performance means you will be left wanting more when the next big game comes out that pushes graphics technology.  If the second generation of these devices is anything like the rapid advancements we have seen in smart phones, they should be on par with mid-range computers.

  • kadepsysonkadepsyson sun prairie, WIPosts: 1,937Member
    Originally posted by asmkm22
    Originally posted by kadepsyson

    I would literally pay valve money if they would sell DLC that removed all ability for me to launch "the big picture" on my steam client.

    It is incredibly frustrating for a click to suddenly open a full screen (7680 x 1600) application that I cannot close until about a dozen mouse clicks have hit the exit application button.  Even burying it deep within a menu I'd rarely look into would be a huge improvement compared to right next to the Friends button or the _ and X in the client window.

    weird.  It takes me two clicks to close, including the one to skip the intro thing.  Or you could f4 it.  I've also never accidently opened it, even when closing the client...

    Yeah ideally when the thing is opened I can click to skip the intro thing, and then click the power icon exit thing and it will.

    Last time it happened, I was sitting there clicking that shit like mad, and it just refused.

    I really do not understand why this can't just be left in the "View" "big picture mode" menu subsection it already is in, and removed from the all over the fuck else it is also in.  Want quicker access to big picture, set up a user defined hotkey combo to launch it.

    El Psy Congroo

  • kadepsysonkadepsyson sun prairie, WIPosts: 1,937Member

    Also, yes you can build a more powerful desktop to crush this tiny Piston.  But if you don't feel like moving your computer from your desk over to your TV, or don't feel like moving your desktop when you travel across the country, this could be an excellent choice.

    I'd love a device that's incredibly easy to transport and lets me play my steam library of games where I travel to personally.

    El Psy Congroo

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member
    Originally posted by kadepsyson

    Also, yes you can build a more powerful desktop to crush this tiny Piston.  But if you don't feel like moving your computer from your desk over to your TV, or don't feel like moving your desktop when you travel across the country, this could be an excellent choice.

    I'd love a device that's incredibly easy to transport and lets me play my steam library of games where I travel to personally.

    Yeah, this thing is a lan party dream come true lol. The power of an Xbox+ that can fit in your coat pocket lol. 

  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    The more import question is what OS

    Windows or valves own version of Linux.

    As for why have it instead of a console.

    CHEAPER GAMES & MOD SUPPORT

    The main reason to pc game instead of console game.

    Probably Ubuntu, maybe stripped down to just launch Steam.  It's the distro they are focusing on right now for the steam beta thing, although it means any Debian-based OS gets grandfathered in nicely as well.

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  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by kadepsyson
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    Originally posted by kadepsyson
    Is this the Steam Box or is this a small computer designed to work with Steam?  I had thought Valve would be making something, not some other company making something to work with Valve's software and approval.

    Valve is just that, a software company. Turning into a hardware company takes a ton of money and knowledge(specifically around manufacturing logistics). It makes sense they find someone else to work with for this.

    Well it would be far from the first time a software company had launched some hardware, or gone in a surprising direction.  Microsoft is a pretty big example of this.

    Hell even Nvidia made a gaming console, don't see why Valve can't do it themselves when they employ a guy who builds rocket engines for fun.

    MS is way bigger than than Valve is and took a long long time before they developed their first one(with partners btw) they don't actually build it.

     

    Nvdia does hardware....

     

    It's not so much the creative part as it is the immense undertaking that is manufacturing complex hardware.

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  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by kadepsyson

    Also, yes you can build a more powerful desktop to crush this tiny Piston.  But if you don't feel like moving your computer from your desk over to your TV, or don't feel like moving your desktop when you travel across the country, this could be an excellent choice.

    I'd love a device that's incredibly easy to transport and lets me play my steam library of games where I travel to personally.

    That's something I hadn't considered.  It would be a fairly portable way to play a lot of games on the go, provided you have a tv and internet connection.

    I'd still be concerned about the overall quality of the graphics though.

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  • kadepsysonkadepsyson sun prairie, WIPosts: 1,937Member
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    Originally posted by kadepsyson
    Originally posted by Kuppa
    Originally posted by kadepsyson
    Is this the Steam Box or is this a small computer designed to work with Steam?  I had thought Valve would be making something, not some other company making something to work with Valve's software and approval.

    Valve is just that, a software company. Turning into a hardware company takes a ton of money and knowledge(specifically around manufacturing logistics). It makes sense they find someone else to work with for this.

    Well it would be far from the first time a software company had launched some hardware, or gone in a surprising direction.  Microsoft is a pretty big example of this.

    Hell even Nvidia made a gaming console, don't see why Valve can't do it themselves when they employ a guy who builds rocket engines for fun.

    MS is way bigger than than Valve is and took a long long time before they developed their first one(with partners btw) they don't actually build it.

     

    Nvdia does hardware....

     

    It's not so much the creative part as it is the immense undertaking that is manufacturing complex hardware.

    Microsoft makes the Xbox, not a bunch of companies make their version of the xbox for use with Windows games.  Valve doesn't make the Piston - Xi3 does.  Other platforms by other companies are making steam ready gaming devices too.  That is what I was saying - it wouldn't have been the first time a software company made their own thing, but Valve either hasn't revealed their own hardware, or is not going to actually make a steambox but just give other company's their blessing to do so.

    Nvidia does hardware yes, but this is their first and a sudden shift into making a gaming console.

     

    El Psy Congroo

  • LadyEupheiLadyEuphei Indianapolis, INPosts: 223Member
    OMG, I hope you all read the comments, they are 10 times better then the article!

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  • moosecatlolmoosecatlol Boring, TXPosts: 1,175Member Uncommon

    Not the steambox, a failed kick starter project that is being picked up by valve.

    Threads like these deserve to be deleted.

  • kadepsysonkadepsyson sun prairie, WIPosts: 1,937Member
    Originally posted by asmkm22
    Originally posted by kadepsyson

    Also, yes you can build a more powerful desktop to crush this tiny Piston.  But if you don't feel like moving your computer from your desk over to your TV, or don't feel like moving your desktop when you travel across the country, this could be an excellent choice.

    I'd love a device that's incredibly easy to transport and lets me play my steam library of games where I travel to personally.

    That's something I hadn't considered.  It would be a fairly portable way to play a lot of games on the go, provided you have a tv and internet connection.

    I'd still be concerned about the overall quality of the graphics though.

    Why would you be concerned about the graphics quality?  Surely if you are thousands of miles from your desktop PC, playing your steam library even with a moderate quality would be better than the complete inability to do so, especially when the transport of the device that allows it was incredibly easy, right?

    I for one enjoyed playing on my Xbox 360 in an airport terminal despite the small screen size.  What to do with hours of layover?  I could have sat there and cried because I wasn't able to bring my desktop and three huge monitors as a carryon, or I could have enjoyed gaming, as I did.

    I mean what would you do to change the device?  make it far less portable but have better graphics, in which case why not just lug a full computer around?

     

    For reference, me at an airport this past holiday season:

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  • kadepsysonkadepsyson sun prairie, WIPosts: 1,937Member
    Originally posted by moosecatlol

    Not the steambox, a failed kick starter project that is being picked up by valve.

    Threads like these deserve to be deleted.

    So Valve may yet unveil their Steam Box.

    El Psy Congroo

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