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ETA when EA will close shop on SWTOR like they did with Age of Empires Online?

Davfor7Davfor7 San Diego, CAPosts: 7Member

I don't like saying it. I like playing SWTOR. What is left of our guild trys to scrape up enough to do Ops now. My friends have left the game. Many podcasts and supporters of the game have left and moved on. There are not even any devs now for SWTOR, just a marketing board and a handful left for customer service now. Rehashing old gear and selling it for real money that should have been in the game already. Selling upcoming patches, not real expansions, for money. Months before fixing problems. The list goes on and on.

I was so afraid when I seen EA got ahold of SWTOR. I had a sick pit in my stomach knowing they will kill a great game. I really didn't expect it to happen so fast. Fast like March of 2012, the firing and closing shop of the game because the EA greed wasn't fullfilled. Because they didn't "beat" the fake, inflated numbers of WoW. I know, there will be people out there, fanboys of EA and of SWTOR that will flame and argue that I am stupid, dumb, wrong, etc. But this is a post coming from a person that didn't want to believe it either. That stopped drinking the kool-aid and took off the rose-colored glasses and really seen what is happening.

 

So, the TL;DR version is; how long until EA "offically" kills SWTOR? Sort of taking bets, predicting the future, thing.

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  • ktanner3ktanner3 lakeland, FLPosts: 4,074Member Common
    When did Age Of Empires Online close up shop? According to it's own website the game is still FTP. 

    Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member

    They kind of have to milk it for as long as the license is valid.  They spent a rumored 200 to 250 million developing the game, not including marketing costs which are probably another 50 million at least.  Anyway, even if we lowball the whole figure and say it cost them 200 million total to launch, the numbers are still pretty grim.

    They made something like just over 80 million in box and digital sales (roughly 2 million units sold in the first few months, and all but stopped after that).  Subscriber numbers also dropped significantly after a few months, to the vague "over 500k but under 1m" number.  Assuming it's around 750k, that means they made about 11 million per month in subs.  That may sound like a high number, but it would take a good solid year to even approach making back the money they initially spent on releasing the game.

    The problem is that we haven't even factored in the costs associated with maintaning the game (hardware and developers), or the licensing costs associated with one of the most expensive IP's ever.  You can bet Lucas is getting a flat percentage off the top of all sales, before anything else is accounted for.  It's going to be many many years before EA sees any kind of return on their investment.

    If you look back, a lot of their decisions make sense from a business perspective.  The game wasn't designed as well as they thought, resulting in much less growth than expected.  They could either invest even more money into trying to fix the problems and dig themselves into a deeper hole, or they could cut costs in the one place they controlled, which is labor.  So the studio got downsided and largely replaced with cheaper labor and EA decided to not take any more risks on the game.  Priority shifted to the F2P conversion so that they could hopefully justify keeping the game live long enough to finally recoup the losses they incured by releasing it in the first place.

    So in short, it won't be shutting down any time soon, because they can't afford to shut it down.

    You make me like charity

  • sirphobossirphobos Ames, IAPosts: 614Member Common
    Even if SWTOR is only around 200k-300k subscribers, it's still a huge cash cow and isn't going anywhere anytime soon.  Slower release of new content is likely, however.
  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Ages considering uo, daoc & war are still going.
  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    I do think its in maintainance mode like war though. Expect most future content to be cash grab in nature.
  • JoeyMMOJoeyMMO SomewherePosts: 1,326Member

    When they don't gain enough money from it anymore to keep people around for it, they'll close shop. This is EA we're talking about here. When that'll be exactly depends on the people playing and paying for the game, not on EA. When the ones playing turn out to be freeloaders, then exit SWTOR.

    Play the stories while you still can, if it's worth the download to you anyways.

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  • ezpz77ezpz77 Beale, CAPosts: 227Member
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    I do think its in maintainance mode like war though. Expect most future content to be cash grab in nature.

     

    I don't think that's really fair to say just yet. They're putting out more content and patching more now than they have in a long time. We're getting an add-on or expansion or whatever you want to call it in a few months. We got a new WZ, a new questing area, new space missions, and a hardmode version of a raid in the last two months or so. Maybe none of that is content for you, but it is content nontheless. Despite my general disdain for how Bioware/EA handled this game early on, I'm pretty happy with what they're doing now.

    If Makeb is a success for them, I suspect we'll be seeing more content like that in the future, which is something I'd enjoy. If Makeb and the cash shop in general fails to live up to their expectations, then we'll probably see maintainance mode, but for now I don't see the game in that state at all.

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Yeah the "expansion" reminds me of the war "expansion"
  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by sirphobos
    Even if SWTOR is only around 200k-300k subscribers, it's still a huge cash cow and isn't going anywhere anytime soon.  Slower release of new content is likely, however.

    lol, this is what people don't understand.  It's not a cash cow.  At 300k subs, they'd be making about 4.5 million a month (IP royalties would actually eat out of that ammount), which would barely dent the cost of developing and releasing the game (200 to 250 million + marketing is the estimate), much less maintaining it month to month.

    You make me like charity

  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    Ages considering uo, daoc & war are still going.

    None of those were expensive to make and license, which is the problem with SWtOR.

    You make me like charity

  • apocolusterapocoluster newport news, VAPosts: 1,321Member Uncommon
         My guess...till 2033 when we move beyond computers, beyond life itself and ascend to our non coporeal energy states...or it might shut down tommorrow. I have no idea :)

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  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    War would have been expensive to licence. Had a lower budget than swtor.

    Daoc they bought in, so not really an ea game.
  • samuraislyr4samuraislyr4 san jose, CAPosts: 72Member

    Age of Empires Online is Microsoft Studios and Gas powered Games, and has nothing to do whatsoever with EA. 

    AoEO will still run, just no new content will be devloped for it, since no one wanted to pay money for things....makes sense to me.

    Just because EA is the new devil does not mean it starts all the evil in the world.

  • ezpz77ezpz77 Beale, CAPosts: 227Member
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    Yeah the "expansion" reminds me of the war "expansion"

     

    It costs $10. Are people expecting to have a WoW-esque expansion that fundamentally changes the game for $10? We're getting a whole new planet the size of Hoth or Belsavis, voiced storylines, new abilities, and likely some more "stuff" that hasn't been talked about yet. What do you want for $10?

    I think them naming it an expansion was a PR blunder because gamers have certain expectations when it comes to an expansion.

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    No its exactly what I expected, the trajectory of swtor is simmilar to war.

    This expansion is something loyal players will feel they have to buy, less they fall behind on levels / gear. Without introducing much actual content. Much like vermintudilous horde for warhammer. Wouldn't be suprised if it even had some stupid dress up as a hutt element.
  • ktanner3ktanner3 lakeland, FLPosts: 4,074Member Common
    Originally posted by sirphobos
    Even if SWTOR is only around 200k-300k subscribers, it's still a huge cash cow and isn't going anywhere anytime soon.  Slower release of new content is likely, however.

    This. 

    Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    Ages considering uo, daoc & war are still going.

    UO and DAoC are still profitable and don't have competition for their dedicated communities. 

    I have no explanation for War though, so thats a valid point. 

  • XirikXirik Yorkton, SKPosts: 1,699Member

    Why ask this question? its so easy to figure out. oh wait its just a hatorade troll of swtor.

     

    Did EA unplug WAR yet? don't think so. tell me when that happens.

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  • miagisanmiagisan NY, NYPosts: 5,156Member

    i am interested how you can compare a game, not even of the same publisher/genre/quality to another and ask if they are going to close the server?

     

    Its like asking since original Halo servers were closed on xbox, are they going to close down the Battlefield servers on pc.

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  • KarteliKarteli Providence, PAPosts: 2,646Member
    Originally posted by ktanner3
    When did Age Of Empires Online close up shop? According to it's own website the game is still FTP. 

    I suppose the thread title eludes to how AoE will not be adding any new content, as of very recently.  The game as it stands, is, "As-is".

     

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/04/no-new-content-for-age-of-empires-online

     

    I suppose this can be correlated with maintenance mode. /shrug .. but it was a f2p game, as long as you use Microsoft Internet Explorer to handle installation / patches .. something which I opted not to do on my good machines ... crap machine, sure .. good machine, no thanks.  Already had Microsoft eat up 20 gigs of HD space I could never recover (Installer directory), from past games, not to mention all the crap in the registry eating up memory I will never be able to free, in entries that Microsft uninstallers won't/can't remove.  Sloppy programming.  Microsoft FTW :(

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  • PurutzilPurutzil East Stroudsburg, PAPosts: 2,925Member Uncommon
    I don't see TOR being closed anytime soon. It might not be 'amazing' but its still a decent game, and those who like a storyline will probably find entertainment in this game. I highly doubt it will close for some time, though its possible its ways of charging might be amplified to provide more profit for the company.
  • CorehavenCorehaven Colorado Springs, COPosts: 1,538Member
    Originally posted by ezpz77
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    Yeah the "expansion" reminds me of the war "expansion"

     

    It costs $10. Are people expecting to have a WoW-esque expansion that fundamentally changes the game for $10? We're getting a whole new planet the size of Hoth or Belsavis, voiced storylines, new abilities, and likely some more "stuff" that hasn't been talked about yet. What do you want for $10?

    I think them naming it an expansion was a PR blunder because gamers have certain expectations when it comes to an expansion.

     

    That's right people!  Wake up!  I mean you're getting a whole planet for $10 !  And remember, this dev said with their engine, they'd be able to create hundreds of new worlds every year.  This is only the beginning!  More worlds will come, hundreds of them!  And at $10 a pop? 

     

    That's thousands of dollars coming from each and every customer!  See?  Swtor will be fine!  You heard it here first.  image

  • BoneserinoBoneserino London, ONPosts: 1,626Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by asmkm22
    Originally posted by sirphobos
    Even if SWTOR is only around 200k-300k subscribers, it's still a huge cash cow and isn't going anywhere anytime soon.  Slower release of new content is likely, however.

    lol, this is what people don't understand.  It's not a cash cow.  At 300k subs, they'd be making about 4.5 million a month (IP royalties would actually eat out of that ammount), which would barely dent the cost of developing and releasing the game (200 to 250 million + marketing is the estimate), much less maintaining it month to month.

    So 54 million a year is not a cash cow?   What school of business did you go to?   A cash goat maybe?  

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  • KarteliKarteli Providence, PAPosts: 2,646Member
    Originally posted by Corehaven
    Originally posted by ezpz77
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    Yeah the "expansion" reminds me of the war "expansion"

     

    It costs $10. Are people expecting to have a WoW-esque expansion that fundamentally changes the game for $10? We're getting a whole new planet the size of Hoth or Belsavis, voiced storylines, new abilities, and likely some more "stuff" that hasn't been talked about yet. What do you want for $10?

    I think them naming it an expansion was a PR blunder because gamers have certain expectations when it comes to an expansion.

     

    That's right people!  Wake up!  I mean you're getting a whole planet for $10 !  And remember, this dev said with their engine, they'd be able to create hundreds of new worlds every year.  This is only the beginning!  More worlds will come, hundreds of them!  And at $10 a pop? 

     

    That's thousands of dollars coming from each and every customer!  See?  Swtor will be fine!  You heard it here first.  image

    I bought the collectors edition, so I guess I originally paid $10 per planet.  /sigh

     

    EA is great for putting out last years games with new textures and text, like FIFA.  Oh nelly, Makeb!

     

    Who needs space combat .. or Pazaak or anything players wanted.  Just reskin old content and sell it :P

     

     

    Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
    Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

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